[storm8ring3r]

Kristian Joensen, on May 15 2009, 03:21 PM, said:

Ramen, Take Two never bought Infogrames. When DNF was announced GT Interactive was the publisher, they got bought by Infogrames(Now Atari) who then sold the publishing rights to Take Two. No money transferred to 3D Realms as part of that arrangement, it was strictly between Take Two and Inforgrames/Atari.

let me get this straight... how much did 3drealms originally get for the publishing rights from god? If I remember correctly they went from 5 mill to 17 mill$ ? Oh well. This is confusing

[delta2kbr]

This topic is making me sad.

I mean, come on! I was in denial as well, I actually thought it was a stunt but it turns out it doesn't. People are looking for jobs, this ain't a thing to play with. I don't blame the other people who still are in denial as I can easily understand their pain. I almost cried when I saw the news on May 6th, but I finally accepted that 3DRealms is no more. I still don't know about Duke, because it would be a shame to lose 12 years worth of work (or 7, since the last reboot), there MIGHT still exist a glimmer of hope. But this is getting ridiculous. Car count? CAR COUNT? SERIOUSLY? These conspiracy bullshits are starting to piss me off. So far, every theory of why 3DR closed has been proven wrong. Gabe Newell confirmed that 3DRealms haven't approached Valve, the story of the 30M is shifting all the time (at one point it was T2 that was reselling the publishing rights back to 3DR for 30M, now it's T2 who was buying the IP rights for 30M), and the car thing must be squat. Jeez. Stop pulling stuff out from where the sun doth not shineth.

So, for the latest news: T2 suing 3DR. Think about it: If Take-Two is suing a company that is (assumingly) broke, what has 3DR to offer as damage? The ONLY thing 3DR has to offer is the IP rights of Duke Nukem. My guess? Take-Two is trying to "take" over the franchise. It's the only logical explanation I can think of why T2 is beating a dead horse.

[Kristian Joensen]

storm8ring3r, on May 15 2009, 02:27 PM, said:

let me get this straight... how much did 3drealms originally get for the publishing rights from god? If I remember correctly they went from 5 mill to 17 mill$ ? Oh well. This is confusing

3D Realms didn't get a cent from GOD for the publishing rights, as they weren't the ones selling them. Infogrames/Atari got that money.

[MasterMike569]

Just got in and read the news, bummer. I didn't see this coming but when I think about it I'm sure T2 will try whatever they can to snatch the Duke up. It will be an interesting court battle. A certain Aliens vs Predator slogan comes to mind "Whoever wins, we all lose". If in the event for some unforeseeable reason that T2 does acquire the IP, I hope they decide to do something with it rather than holing it up in their closet along with their dirty porno magazines collecting dust. I don't see George in any position to do anything with the current game unless he plans on discussing his game plan sometime soon. Anyways, grim news. Good thing Scott Miller abandoned ship when he did, we can at least expect something out of the Duke franchise, even if it is some weak sauce watered down PSP/DS titles.

[William Gee]

letsrock, on May 15 2009, 05:47 AM, said:

you want to know what the duke's been up to since he got fired by 3dr?

http://roosterteeth....trip.php?id=694

and

http://roosterteeth....trip.php?id=695

Awesome thanks!

[Psyrgery]

Duke Nukem Forever forums are back again!

[Micki!]

letsrock, on May 15 2009, 02:47 PM, said:

you want to know what the duke's been up to since he got fired by 3dr?

http://roosterteeth....trip.php?id=694

and

http://roosterteeth....trip.php?id=695

Hahaha, those are great

[letsrock]

newsflash:

http://www.shacknews...article.x/58642

"Take-Two paid $12 million to former DNF publisher Infogrames for the exclusive publishing rights to the game in 2000."

[naddie]

letsrock, on May 15 2009, 08:35 AM, said:

newsflash:

http://www.shacknews...article.x/58642

"Take-Two paid $12 million to former DNF publisher Infogrames for the exclusive publishing rights to the game in 2000."

You know what... I hate it when people are taking that "Take-Two needs to STFU, imo" quote out of context. They make it seem like George is an asshole for talking shit out of nowhere, then walks back in with his tail betwen his legs when he asks them for money.

That quote was said in response to Take-Two making up a release date for DNF. George had a great reason for saying that. Why did Take-Two announce an estimated release date without consent of the developer?

That said, George should have been a bit more... professional...

[mrsunshines]

I can't say I'm surprised at all, rather that this didn't happen sooner. To those who are bashing Take2 and spewing their ignorance, please stfu already.

Any publisher would be furious if the developer suddenly posted on their website "Thanks for being fans and for all your support" after announcing they we're broke and no product being released.

I blame this all on George and Scott for this debacle, mostly George though.

[Psyrgery]

mrsunshines, on May 15 2009, 07:22 PM, said:

I can't say I'm surprised at all, rather that this didn't happen sooner. To those who are bashing Take2 and spewing their ignorance, please stfu already.

Any publisher would be furious if the developer suddenly posted on their website "Thanks for being fans and for all your support" after announcing they we're broke and no product being released.

I blame this all on George and Scott for this debacle, mostly George though.

...because you know everything, don't you?

EVERYBODY on each side should stfu, as there are no official statements. Yeah, there's this Sue against 3DR, but that's 3DR AND Take2 business, not ours.

I've bashed George as well, but I preffer to stay low until news come to us.

Maybe they'll surprise us, and by they I mean 3DR OR Take2.

[Babe]

Question is how much 3DR got from the first publisher GT interactive ? If they did get some money from GTI , which I assume they did, then they did had an obligation towards GTI. And if GTI (later Infgrames) has sold those rights to Take 2, then 3DR is indeed obligated towards Take 2 as they have the publishing rights now. And why should Take 2 pay 3DR money when all it wanted was the publishing rights and it bought those rights off from Infograemes ?

If 3DR did indeed took some advances from it's intial publisher GTI, it is obligated to to give them a game, and if by change of handes Take 2 is the publisher now, 3DR is indeed obligaed to give Take 2 a complete game. I dont think 3DR can say secrew you Mr. Take 2 because we didnt have an aggreement with you in the first place, because Take 2 has acquired the right by purchasing it off from Infogrames, and purchasing the right from Infogrames was a legally right purchase.

mrsunshines is right on his point, "Any publisher would be furious if the developer suddenly posted on their website "Thanks for being fans and for all your support" after announcing they we're broke and no product being released."

[dino]

so next date to look forward to is June 4th?

[Babe]

We will get many answers on the June the 4th for sure.

[mrsunshines]

Ok, what is happening on June 4th?

[Psyrgery]

mrsunshines, on May 15 2009, 07:56 PM, said:

Ok, what is happening on June 4th?

E3 expo? Why has this June 4th date popped out all of the sudden?

[Alexraptor]

I think that its the date of the initial hearing of the lawsuit.

[NonSequitur]

First court hearing in the Take 2 vs 3D Realms case.

[mrsunshines]

I'm impressed

I didn't even know the court documents were out, I'll avoid making speculating till then.

[Ramen4ever]

Kristian Joensen, on May 15 2009, 05:21 AM, said:

Ramen, Take Two never bought Infogrames. When DNF was announced GT Interactive was the publisher, they got bought by Infogrames(Now Atari) who then sold the publishing rights to Take Two. No money transferred to 3D Realms as part of that arrangement, it was strictly between Take Two and Inforgrames/Atari.

Now that makes more sense. I didn't know about all the details. just the general companies involved.

[Reaper_Man]

Psyrgery, on May 15 2009, 01:59 PM, said:

E3 expo? Why has this June 4th date popped out all of the sudden?

June 4th is the date of the hearing between 3D Realms and Take Two. That is round one of the legal battle.

[Parkar]

Psyrgery, on May 15 2009, 07:28 PM, said:

...because you know everything, don't you?

EVERYBODY on each side should stfu, as there are no official statements. Yeah, there's this Sue against 3DR, but that's 3DR AND Take2 business, not ours.

I've bashed George as well, but I preffer to stay low until news come to us.

Maybe they'll surprise us, and by they I mean 3DR OR Take2.

My thoughts exactly.

Babe, on May 15 2009, 07:33 PM, said:

Question is how much 3DR got from the first publisher GT interactive ? If they did get some money from GTI , which I assume they did, then they did had an obligation towards GTI. And if GTI (later Infgrames) has sold those rights to Take 2, then 3DR is indeed obligated towards Take 2 as they have the publishing rights now. And why should Take 2 pay 3DR money when all it wanted was the publishing rights and it bought those rights off from Infograemes ?

If 3DR did indeed took some advances from it's intial publisher GTI, it is obligated to to give them a game, and if by change of handes Take 2 is the publisher now, 3DR is indeed obligaed to give Take 2 a complete game. I dont think 3DR can say secrew you Mr. Take 2 because we didnt have an aggreement with you in the first place, because Take 2 has acquired the right by purchasing it off from Infogrames, and purchasing the right from Infogrames was a legally right purchase.

mrsunshines is right on his point, "Any publisher would be furious if the developer suddenly posted on their website "Thanks for being fans and for all your support" after announcing they we're broke and no product being released."

To be honest this is the first time I can recall a publisher suing a developer for something like this. A lot of cases where the publisher stops funding a game of some developer which ends with the developer getting forced to close but never any publisher also demeanding their money back. and in this case there wasen't even any ongoing funding.

As far as waht 3DR ows Take 2 thats all up to what the contract says. If it simply states that the publisher has exclusive rights to distribute the game when/if the game is done then they don't have jack shit on 3DR. On the other hand if it does say something about the game being released by some date or some such they have all the right to sue 3DR.

Without knowing the terms of the contract it's imposible for us to know who if anyone has breached it. This goes for both the Take 2 and 3DR bashers, you all sound like whiny bitches.

As much as I hate the development of this mess I ain't going to point any fingers without knowing all the facts, that would just be stupid. Take Two is maybe my favourite among the big publishers and 3D Realms has obviously made their share of mistakes but in the end they are very pasionate about the games they have developed and produced and it has showed in pretty much all games they have had a major say in.

[mrsunshines]

Never heard of publisher suing a developer?

Game Publisher Sues It's Own Developer

The court documents against 3drealms:

Duke Nukem Court Documents

The whole premise from Take 2 is basically that:

1. Apogee/3drealms not alter the game source code or destroy it
2. Distribute any more information regarding Duke Nukem 4 Ever
3. Hand over all the development material that pertains to Duke Nuken 4 Ever

This is why there have been no more leaks of video and pics in the last few days. Take 2 entered a contract for the publishing rights in 2000 and again in 2007, promising 12 million once it's completion.

Another article to read:

Duke Nukem Info

It doesn't help 3drealms when in 2003 George told Take 2 to fuck off about a release date.

Lastly, for those making the argument that Take 2 doesn't have shit on 3drealms, seriously?? That's your argument...nice. Really

[Thndr]

I thought it was said that the $12mil was what T2 payed Infrogames for the publishing rights. (which is why they're suing for that much, what they invested, and potentially more depending on what the 2007 contract stated)

Also, George had every right to tell them to STFU, but he could've done it better. They publically said a release date without even getting it approved by 3DR.

--
After looking at that comparison article about Scratch, the situations are completely different.

[PokeThePower]

Thndr, on May 15 2009, 07:40 PM, said:

Also, George had every right to tell them to STFU, but he could've done it better. They publically said a release date without even getting it approved by 3DR.

No they didn't. Come on guys, at least check what you're posting before posting it.

http://www.shacknews...yn.x?id=7653477

Read this again... what Take 2 said wasn't unreasonable at all.

Quote

"...we're just hopeful that the team in Dallas will finish it."

Google is one of the most powerful tools of human knowledge today. I wish everyone would use it before posting.

Not meaning to pick on you specifically... I just couldn't take hearing that anymore.

[Thndr]

Whoops, my bad then.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Yatta]

Also: http://forums.duke4.net/index.php?showtopi...amp;#entry11794

[Sinisterambo]

I found the interview with the Take Two president I mentioned earlier in the thread (it was originally a post by Sharpie).

http://forums.duke4.net/index.php?showtopi...amp;#entry11794

[hornoxe]

Indeed, even if T2 had said something bad about his mother it's still common business sense not to say "STFU", and I hate publishers like the next guy.

[Dark Agent]

In order to lighten the mood a bit, I throught these were pretty funny.