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#3391

it's just boring reading your posts. You consistently misconstrue/misinterpret people's words and seem personally attacked if someone dislikes something you like. You wanna argue about taste like there can ever be an objective interpretation when all people wanna do is just vent or see if someone agrees with them. Then you yammer on trying to get in the last word, which is rather embarrassing and makes me cringe every time. Everyone but you gets that I was talking about the aesthetics of TNG relative to Discovery, not some styrofoam walls. Not every choice made in old movies/series/games was due to a technological limitation. And saying "war movie" is just another way of phrasing or adding onto "the CGI is too detailed". I don't even disagree that the writers are idiots, but you phrased it as a counter argument to my comment, which is just inane. Again - wanting to get the last word.
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#3392

But of course it was phrased as a counter argument, that's how a fucking debate looks like! Necro asked if anyone agreed with him, I dared to say that I fucking don't and I dared to construct an argument to explain why... that's what makes me retarded? :lol: Wanting to know what his argument is and wanting to have a conversation? Debating BAAAD?

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Everyone but you gets that I was talking about the aesthetics of TNG relative to Discovery, not some styrofoam walls. Not every choice made in old movies/series/games was due to a technological limitation.

I get what you're talking about, I just don't agree with it because I can no longer appreciate the aesthetics since the sets are cheap as fuck.

And the thing is that every single time I see a comparison here it's always the old shit being compared to the new shit with the deliberate goal to just say how bad the new shit is from some aspect because that's what nostalgia does. For example the Orville looks absolutely how a more modern TNG would look like because the show's objective is basically to replicate old school Star Trek but you don't compare the Orville to Discovery, nope, that would actually make sense so let's compare the new stuff it to the outdated old stuff that objectively looks like shit now because it's cool to illustrate vaguely thought out points badly.

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And saying "war movie" is just another way of phrasing or adding onto "the CGI is too detailed".

No. Remember things like storytelling? Script? Direction? Direction of photography? Camerawork? You know, all the shit that ultimately decides how a show will look and feel like before the CGI nerds start using the computers? The fact that TNG is traditional semi-hard sci-fi while Discovery is an action-drama series has to have an effect, no?

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Again - wanting to get the last word.

No, just trying to continue the conversation because I don't get why you're being so frustrated by a simple fucking discussion. You know, guy wants to have a discussion and debate stuff in a thread for discussing and debating things ---> he is the scum of the earth, call me retarded for the third time but that's a complicated concept for me.

This post has been edited by Zaxx: 01 January 2020 - 05:05 PM

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#3393

Sweet jumping Jesus. No one was trying to have a "debate", dude. You mix words like argument, debate, conversation. Conversation =/= debate. If you like chocolate and I don't, will you try to sell me on the merits of chocolate and tell me what the company had in mind when developing their particular brand? That's another thing I notice from you, you're always trying to explain what some company thought internally when they made some decision and trying to justify it, when in actuality you have no clue. You did that in the thread about Fresh Supply and plenty of other times. You also try to psychoanalyze people and why they like something when they don't agree with you. Fuck off m8.

Saw your edit. I don't think you wanna discuss anything, I think you're actually insecure about your own tastes and seek external validation. You wanna like the "right things", so you have some weird ass explanations for why some things are good/bad.

This post has been edited by thricecursed: 01 January 2020 - 05:19 PM

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#3394

View Postthricecursed, on 01 January 2020 - 05:15 PM, said:

That's another thing I notice from you, you're always trying to explain what some company thought internally when they made some decision and trying to justify it, when in actuality you have no clue.

It's just that I have a clue actually: I'm interested in this shit so I read stuff, what I talk about is usually just what I read or saw in an interview or presentation.

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You also try to psychoanalyze people and why they like something when they don't agree with you.

Saying that nostalgia can affect how you think about things is psychoanalysis now? I expected a "thanks, captain obvious".
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#3395

Anyway here's something Doom from Decino:

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#3396

What does it matter how people think about video games or Star Trek? If I wanna say that something fucking sucks, that's not a judgment against anyone. I'm not calling for the thing to be banned and saying I'm a victim of nostalgia and just wanna deliberately hate on something because I'm a moron (that's your implication) gives me every right to call you a retard in return, because that's the level of "debate" you've raised. You'd like people to verbally run around in circles with you because it tickles you in the right spot or something, but others don't have the patience.
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#3397

View Postthricecursed, on 01 January 2020 - 05:32 PM, said:

because I'm a moron (that's your implication)

No, that's not my implication, I never criticise people, I criticise their arguments (though I'm sure as hell not above responding in kind to personal insults). I don't think it's my job to constantly ensure people that no, just because I say that an argument is bad or stupid I'm not saying that the person making that argument is stupid. Very intelligent people can say some very dumb shit sometimes so I don't judge based on random comments.

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What does it matter how people think about video games or Star Trek? If I wanna say that something fucking sucks, that's not a judgment against anyone.

Personally I just like arguing about stuff like this because I'm curious. For example necroslut thinks that the weapons in Doom 2016 are overdesigned garbage? Why does he think that? Is it because he simply doesn't like the weapon designs or because he has a problem with the game's overall design? My bet is on the second option because based on his comments I think he's just bothered by the fact that the new Doom is "self aware" and knows how dumb its setting is. To some people (people who may have thought about Doom as a more serious game) that can be insulting and usually that's what I see online. "Overdesigned" weapons is just the scapegoat for the bigger problem basically.

Anyway I just want to find out if I'm right or wrong because I can't rationalize anyone calling years of hard work by the best 3D modellers and animators out there garbage.

This post has been edited by Zaxx: 01 January 2020 - 06:16 PM

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#3398

View PostZaxx, on 01 January 2020 - 06:14 PM, said:

Very intelligent people can say some very dumb shit sometimes so I don't judge based on random comments.


It's not "dumb shit" when you're talking about taste. Going on about how someone is wrong for not liking something just makes you sound like a condescending asshole. Not everyone has to think like you.

View PostZaxx, on 01 January 2020 - 06:14 PM, said:

Personally I just like arguing about stuff like this because I'm curious. For example necroslut thinks that the weapons in Doom 2016 are overdesigned garbage? Why does he think that?


Maybe change your tone if you only want to satisfy your curiosity.

Good night.
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#3399

PSA: If you find yourself in an unpleasant back-and-forth with someone else in a forum thread, try to keep in mind that literally no one cares about the dispute outside of the disputants. So you have to ask yourself, is it worth it to respond to the other person's latest barbs and keep the thread off topic when no one is going to care except you. I know it's hard, I've been there myself, but honestly it's better just to let it go after a few posts and let the other guy get the last word.
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#3400

View Postthricecursed, on 01 January 2020 - 06:30 PM, said:

Maybe change your tone if you only want to satisfy your curiosity.

Dude, two of you called me retarded simply because you've lost your patience when all I did was challenge an argument, I have absolutely no problem when it comes to my tone. It's like I'm supposed to treat you as gently as possible and walk on eggshells in order not to frustrate you with my sad little opinions yet for you it's okay to be like "well fuck you man you're a retarded sick fuck who gets off on shit". :lol:

But yeah, this has gone on for far too many posts so I'll just agree to disagree and piss off too.

This post has been edited by Zaxx: 01 January 2020 - 06:59 PM

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#3401

Not gonna bother with quotes, so I'll just say

Re: Doom: I like Doom 2016. I like most of its art direction too. There's just a few things I don't like about it, one being the visual design of the guns that follow a trend of overdesigned weapons in modern games – it's like they don't know what to do with all this resolution. In a game with a generally (relative to other contemporary games) pretty clean visual design, I think they stand out in a bad way. "Overdesigned garbage" was hyperbole, I thought that was fairly obvious and didn't need to be explained.
If I didn't like the game, I wouldn't bother commenting on the gun aesthetics. It's like, I don't care about the suit designs on MCU movies, even though it's often trash, because the movies are trash in general. It's like spitting on a garbage dump, it doesn't matter.

Re: Star Trek TNG: Watching an 80's TV show in HD and complaining that it looks cheap is dumb. Watch it on a CRT, like it was meant to be shown, and it looks pretty damn good.
And no, it's not nostalgia, I only watched TNG in the last five years or so, never saw it growing up. Accusing someone of "nostalgia" is a really terrible argument, basically on the same level as calling someone retarded.
It's the same as when playing older games in higher resolutions – you're gonna see tons of stuff you weren't mean to see. If you do that, it's on you, the developers or filmmakers doesn't have any responsibility to make shit look good in future resolutions. It would just waste a ton of resources for no reason.

Also, someone doesn't have to "lose their shit" to call you a retard. It's pretty easy to do.

This post has been edited by necroslut: 01 January 2020 - 10:04 PM

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#3402

I'm gonna be the one to say it then.

Star Trek The Next Generation looks damn good in HD. Best of Both Worlds on the big screen was a treat. You know what TNG isn't? Visually cluttered, over produced, full of unnecessary grim lighting, and everything isn't covered in grime and filth. It's Star Trek, as it's supposed to be - visually.




I'm with necroslut here. I think the game is honestly really well made. I had a lot of fun with it, my brother and I got on to swapping war stories, many sections are very replayable. It's good shit. I just agree that the guns feel a little bit detail heavy for it's own sake and that some of the guns look better than others because their form seems to follow their function better. To a degree I think that also translates to some parts of the environmental design as well. Even the producers of the game felt that it was something they had to fight to over come. All that visual detail made it paramount to emphasize the navigation all the more.
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#3403

View PostCommando Nukem, on 01 January 2020 - 10:15 PM, said:

Star Trek The Next Generation looks damn good in HD. Best of Both Worlds on the big screen was a treat. [size=2]You know what TNG isn't? Visually cluttered, over produced, full of unnecessary grim lighting, and everything isn't covered in grime and filth. It's Star Trek, as it's supposed to be - visually.

I agree with that but most of that has to do with the fact that the HD remaster is really-really good work, they went back and redid all the special effects, corrected the lighting, upped the color saturation etc. It's different than how it originally looked like and that creates a few problems here and there, for example I get that more vibrant colors look better in HD because LCD TVs have shit blacks but TNG is so warm and colorful now that its tone doesn't fit the decidedly darker DS9.

But yeah, it does look nicer overall even though you can spot more flaws because the updated special effects add a lot and the image enhancements make the whole thing look richer than it actually was.
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#3404

View PostCommando Nukem, on 01 January 2020 - 10:15 PM, said:

I'm gonna be the one to say it then.

Star Trek The Next Generation looks damn good in HD. Best of Both Worlds on the big screen was a treat. [size=2]You know what TNG isn't? Visually cluttered, over produced, full of unnecessary grim lighting, and everything isn't covered in grime and filth. It's Star Trek, as it's supposed to be - visually.

I've actually only watched very little of TNG in HD, and I can't recall it looking particularly bad, but as a general statement I still stand by it – it's true for a lot of shows. Raising the resolution of movies, shows or games doesn't automatically make things look better – often it does the opposite.
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#3405

View Postnecroslut, on 01 January 2020 - 10:03 PM, said:

Also, someone doesn't have to "lose their shit" to call you a retard. It's pretty easy to do.

Sure, it's just that people who do or support that kind of stuff are shit or just really-really dumb people. Yes, I know that a lenghty discussion can be frustrating or tiring if you don't want to participate in it but it's always better not to participate if the other choice is to start acting like an animal. Why do that and embarrass yourself? Have some class, come on, we're just people talking about dumb shit.

This post has been edited by Zaxx: 01 January 2020 - 10:38 PM

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#3406

View PostZaxx, on 01 January 2020 - 10:37 PM, said:

Why do that and embarrass yourself? Have some class, come on, we're just people talking about dumb shit.


Saying "you're embarrassing yourself" only works when everyone is on your side, tardface. :lol: The thing that bothers me most is you always try to make it seem like you didn't understand what was written when in fact you did, but you're hoping that by misconstruing the other persons post (saying I want you to "walk on eggshells"), others are convinced as well. No one is, but by all means keep it up. I honestly wouldn't have even given a shit, so in some ways it might seem like we're abnormally upset about this topic (Doom graphics or whatever), but actually the irritation's been building for a while.

Now let's see who will have the last word! :)

Edit: Yeah, figures. This is how a troll baits you, by forcing you to make endless clarifications for points that are easy for anyone with more than a two digit IQ to comprehend.

This post has been edited by thricecursed: 02 January 2020 - 03:15 AM

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#3407

Well, I don't care about "having the last word", that's just another one of those imaginery things you keep repeating, I just write a comment if I think that's warranted and I don't when it's not.

Sadly I think it's warranted now because you keep saying shit like this:

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The thing that bothers me most is you always try to make it seem like you didn't understand what was written when in fact you did, but you're hoping that by misconstruing the other persons post (saying I want you to "walk on eggshells"), others are convinced as well. No one is, but by all means keep it up.

Who are these "others" that I'm aiming to convince? I don't know if you've noticed but usually when there's a shitshow going on nobody really cares about it, around 3 or 4 people will waste time to read most of this shit: the ones that are involved. Really if you'd stop acting like if you were writing comments for a fucking audience I think we'd be closer to a conclusion. Nobody cares, you don't have to push it to the wall, you can speak normally.

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I honestly wouldn't have even given a shit, so in some ways it might seem like we're abnormally upset about this topic

It seems like that? How could that be? Come on, fight against that pride and arrogance a bit more, let that intelligent thing your mind wants you to say surface. :lol:

Fucking hell you guys are hopeless.

This post has been edited by Zaxx: 02 January 2020 - 03:01 AM

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#3408

Shit, if I had seen the last few pages of the DNF 2001 thread I would've never even said anything. Sorry for helping add more Zaxx posts to this place.

View PostHorseDongSub69, on 30 December 2019 - 06:46 PM, said:

Everybody on this forum agrees you're a retard, you know that right?

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#3409

Here's another one for ya then, smash that downvote button to add some fun into your miserable lives.
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#3410

While the lice are having fun I think I'll take the opportunity to talk about Doom in the Doom thread so here's another cool video from Decino explaining the RNG:

Overall the whole channel is really great, there's lots of interesting stuff and it's worth checking it out because Doom is a simple game but it has a few underlying mechanics that are quite unique and more complicated than it might seem from the outset (like the armor system for example).
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#3411

View Postnecroslut, on 01 January 2020 - 10:29 PM, said:

I've actually only watched very little of TNG in HD, and I can't recall it looking particularly bad, but as a general statement I still stand by it – it's true for a lot of shows. Raising the resolution of movies, shows or games doesn't automatically make things look better – often it does the opposite.


I think it hurt the original series more than it hurt TNG. If anything I think it does TNG some good. Keep in mind what they did. It wasn't a question of just forcibly uprezzing it. They used the original negatives to simply create a better final result. The TNG sets were built right on top of the sets that had been standing since 1979. Slightly re-arranged, mind you...But engineering in TMP is engineering in TNG. So they inherited all the movie quality construction when they redid the outer shell of things.

Not to be off topic anymore, but I think it's a question of what peoples tastes are. Like I don't mind most of the design in Doom 2016, and I absolutely admire that they went for it and were dedicated to it and din't water it down along the way. I'm just a sucker for the older designs of some things. One example where I think they absolutely nailed it was the Pinky. That is a beautiful upgrade for that creature in terms of design. However, I also love the cyber-nightmare foreskin-chewed look of the Doom 3 pinky. It's great.
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#3412

View PostCommando Nukem, on 03 January 2020 - 12:15 PM, said:

However, I also love the cyber-nightmare foreskin-chewed look of the Doom 3 pinky. It's great.


That monstrosity is what sometimes makes me want to reinstall Doom 3 again, but then I remember the rest of it and yawn.
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View PostCommando Nukem, on 03 January 2020 - 12:15 PM, said:

Like I don't mind most of the design in Doom 2016, and I absolutely admire that they went for it and were dedicated to it and din't water it down along the way.

Yeah, same here, it's just that the weapons are overdesigned garbage and overall the game has a vibe that makes it seem like it was designed for teenagers. Really, Doom 2016 is a great game I think but the color of Doomguy's eyes pissed me off so much that I uninstalled after 30 minutes.

Do I fit in now?

Edit: Oh, I almost forgot: #ReleaseTheBroussardCut

This post has been edited by Zaxx: 03 January 2020 - 12:56 PM

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View Postthricecursed, on 03 January 2020 - 12:17 PM, said:

That monstrosity is what sometimes makes me want to reinstall Doom 3 again, but then I remember the rest of it and yawn.


There's some issues with Doom 3 for sure, but I think the biggest failing is the gunplay. The weapon sounds are just... Weird. The product of losing the legend of Trenty boy for whoever they could get to scrouge shit up.

That's absolutely one place that Doom 2016 was wise. It's not Doom 3, part 2. It found its own identity. I was glad they took some cues from Doom 3 though, without completely ignoring it.
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#3415

A game findig its unique identity is one thing but honestly I just don't value that much because the game is a SEQUEL. The previous entries have already set the stage for how Doom should look and feel like and any kind of deviation from that goes against the established canon. For example the new shotgun doesn't make sense when we all know that Doomguy's CLASSIC weapon of choice is the Tootsie-Toy "Dakota" cap gun. I love that weapon so much that I have 7 of them at home so that I could put a different one in my mouth every day. I used to fantasize about a real bullet penetrating my skull after pulling the trigger like if I was a Lost Soul but I stopped doing that when I started taking my meds.
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#3416

View PostCommando Nukem, on 03 January 2020 - 12:59 PM, said:

There's some issues with Doom 3 for sure, but I think the biggest failing is the gunplay. The weapon sounds are just... Weird. The product of losing the legend of Trenty boy for whoever they could get to scrouge shit up.

That's absolutely one place that Doom 2016 was wise. It's not Doom 3, part 2. It found its own identity. I was glad they took some cues from Doom 3 though, without completely ignoring it.


Yeah, I think Doom 2016 got it right in terms of balance. It's got its issues too, but it has the best of Doom 1-2 with the visual aesthetic of Doom 3. My perfect shooter would have the level design and grungy aesthetic of Quake 1 with the gunplay from Doom 2016, but just overall lower bloat, including no cutscenes (only visual storytelling) and an epic sense of scale.

The thing with Eternal that irked me from the showcases is partly what I already mentioned (cheesy nu metal aesthetic), but for example, when they show that giant alien city, you know you can't actually go there, it's just a backdrop. I miss that from the old days - everything you saw, you could interact with in some way. Now it's like you've got these epic and super detailed visuals, but with massively simplified level layouts. All that said, I'll reserve my final opinion for when the game actually comes out.
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View Postthricecursed, on 03 January 2020 - 01:12 PM, said:

Yeah, I think Doom 2016 got it right in terms of balance. It's got its issues too, but it has the best of Doom 1-2 with the visual aesthetic of Doom 3. My perfect shooter would have the level design and grungy aesthetic of Quake 1 with the gunplay from Doom 2016, but just overall lower bloat, including no cutscenes (only visual storytelling) and an epic sense of scale.


They keep mumbling that they're going to do a reboot of Quake 1, so... Now that the technology is pretty much perfect, maybe they'll find a new Raven surrogate and get them making a Quake remake with that grungy gothic-lovecraftian level design. That would be cool.

View Postthricecursed, on 03 January 2020 - 01:12 PM, said:

The thing with Eternal that irked me from the showcases is partly what I already mentioned (cheesy nu metal aesthetic), but for example, when they show that giant alien city, you know you can't actually go there, it's just a backdrop. I miss that from the old days - everything you saw, you could interact with in some way. Now it's like you've got these epic and super detailed visuals, but with massively simplified level layouts. All that said, I'll reserve my final opinion for when the game actually comes out.


Yeah, up to now most of my criticism, if you could even call it that is very minor. The weapon design didn't bother me while I was playing, just certain things that i'd prefer were different. One thing I actually really love that id seems to be doing with Eternal is the navigation and movement. The meathook, the dodge, the climbing, the air jumping. Great, great gameplay enhancements. It's what a lot of these throwback shooters desperately needed to start doing to actually be more than just a remake of the old games. Bring in more maneuvering capabilities. Seeing so much verticality in a First Person game made this century is honestly shocking. When you look back over the last decade of First Person Shooters, everything seems, to me, like it was very flat. Unless it was Dusk, or Amid Evil or something.

This post has been edited by Commando Nukem: 03 January 2020 - 01:29 PM

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#3418

The meathook is cool and they were originally gonna have something like that in Quake 1 IIRC, but I don't like those stupid poles that you can swing from. Makes it look like a kid's playground or something. I hope they incorporate those interactive elements with more subtlety, so it feels less game-y, you know? Or make it so over the top you think you're in an Evil Dead film, no in between shit.
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View Postthricecursed, on 03 January 2020 - 01:12 PM, said:

All that said, I'll reserve my final opinion for when the game actually comes out.

I don't, I already hate it because it's popular and the weapons look like overdesigned garbage anyway. I've heard that Trent Reznor was making the sound effects but he left so now the sound effects are being made by a guy who's not a famous musician so it's shit now.

This post has been edited by Zaxx: 03 January 2020 - 06:47 PM

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View Postnecroslut, on 30 December 2019 - 11:02 PM, said:

Is it just me who hates the weapon models in the new Dooms (to an extent shared with the Wolfensteins)? Overdesigned garbage.


Some of them I dislike, some of them I like a lot.
The ones I dislike are generic looking and look like they came from any other sci fi FPS. The plasma gun was probably my least favorite overall, especially actually using it ingame.
Meanwhile, stuff like the Gauss Cannon I really really liked both the look and feel, though sometimes I can mistake the Gauss for the BFG at a quick glance.

That all said, I think the redesigns they've done for Eternal are all great from what I've seen. The plasma gun especially seems hugely improved.
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