[Jimmy]

Anyone who finds Shadow Warrior to be racist or offensive is a fucking idiot.

[Hank]

Radar, on 09 May 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

Exactly what I noticed. I pulled out my phone first thing this morning and looked at the picture with my eyes still half shut. I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me when I saw paragraphs and paragraphs of speculation already being written. I don't care about this until I see a trailer.

even with a trailer, all it means for certain that someone knew how to use a video editor.

For now, it's on the must know about list for game talk.

[Gambini]

OMG NEW POWERSLAVE ON THE WAY TOO!!

[Lunick]

Gambini, on 09 May 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

OMG NEW POWERSLAVE ON THE WAY TOO!!

[Gambini]

Ok I´m not acting like a Bitch. What I wrote may sound like I´m mocking Green (I´m not). What I´m trying to prove is that people are making speculations based on a picture of a guy in a chinese-like place with a logo that reads Shadow Warrior. My joke image has the same fundaments than that.

[Lunick]

Gambini, on 09 May 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

Ok I´m not acting like a Bitch. What I wrote may sound like I´m mocking Green (I´m not). What I´m trying to prove is that people are making speculations based on a picture of a guy in a chinese-like place with a logo that reads Shadow Warrior. My joke image has the same fundaments than that.

Are we not allowed to speculate or something? It's pretty much confirmed to be happening now and we are getting excited before we get some more information on it. Have some fun Gambini

[Kristian Joensen]

People look forward to games based on franchises, development studios and publishers all the time or even just basic premises. Here you have all of those things playing a part.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Lunick, on 09 May 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

It's pretty much confirmed to be happening now and we are getting excited before we get some more information on it.

I'm a bit fatigued from "confirmed" projects dying out or fading into obscurity, to be honest.

[Lunick]

Achenar, on 09 May 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

I'm a bit fatigued from "confirmed" projects dying out or fading into obscurity, to be honest.

Why would this fade out though? We have already seen a mini glimpse of the promotion for this thing. The Greenlght entry, the website, The Shadow Warrior Classic+ release in the next few months.

I don't think we need to be worried

[Green]

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Two words: Black Mesa.

(And yes, I realize the game was released. Partially released, that is. But before that it fell into development hell for years, a'la TF2.)

[ReaperMan]

I cant wait for Super 3D Noah's Ark 2.

[Lunick]

Achenar, on 09 May 2013 - 04:27 PM, said:

Two words: Black Mesa.

(And yes, I realize the game was released. Partially released, that is. But before that it fell into development hell for years, a'la TF2.)

Black Mesa, a fan mod compared to a fully backed game by a publisher and a good developer.

I think you are reaching a bit sorry.

[Hank]

Kristian Joensen, on 09 May 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

People look forward to games based on franchises, development studios and publishers all the time or even just basic premises. Here you have all of those things playing a part.

Hard Reset is a very good game in my books, but that does not mean I am looking forward to a remake of another game I already have. Was SW so bad it's needs a remake?

[Tetsuo]

Yeah, some random person on the internet didn't just one day decide to make a teaser image to get everyone's hopes up with no basis in reality. Neither did a random mod team suddenly decide to make a Shadow Warrior reboot and open up a moddb page for it. Devolver Digital and Flying Wild Hog are neither modders or random internet people and they made an official announcement with a teaser image that gives us a hint of the direction they are going in.

I would agree that it's a bit too early to get excited for it as we haven't seen anything yet though.

I for one like they are making this remake\reboot and look forward to seeing more of it. Besides, people don't make remakes\reboots because the original was bad. Just that after 14+ years some people might like to see an up to date version of the game... lots of people where requesting Shadow Warrior too from what I have seen.

[Radar]

Jimmy, on 09 May 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Anyone who finds Shadow Warrior to be racist or offensive is a fucking idiot.

Then I guess I'm an idiot. While I'm not offended by it, it definitely shows a 100% stereotyped side of Asian culture like the Loony Tunes propaganda they used to broadcast during WWII. It's racist, but who cares.

[Person of Color]

Radar, on 09 May 2013 - 04:50 PM, said:

Then I guess I'm an idiot. While I'm not offended by it, it definitely shows a 100% stereotyped side of Asian culture like the Loony Tunes propaganda they used to broadcast during WWII. It's racist, but who cares.

It's the good kind of racist though.

[Jimmy]

It's satire of Western interpretations of Asia. That's why it mangles together Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc languages, culture, media and stereotypes. It's a joke.

[ReaperMan]

^ The Chinese probably do the same thing to western society.

[Radar]

That's why I said who cares. I agree that anyone who is offended by it is an idiot.

[Richard Shead]

The people branding Shadow Warrior as racially offensive aren't nearly as moronic as those who had the notion that Wolfenstein was(and is) "anti-Semitic". Now THAT is a ridiculous argument.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Duke Rocks, on 09 May 2013 - 05:48 PM, said:

The people branding Shadow Warrior as racially offensive aren't nearly as moronic as those who had the notion that Wolfenstein was(and is) "anti-Semitic". Now THAT is a ridiculous argument.

That argument doesn't even make sense. The point of the game is to break out of Castle Wolfenstein, slaughter Nazis and kill Hitler. What could be more pro-Jewish than that?

[faked]

Whoo! I want this! Good luck with it!!!!!

[Tetsuo]

Achenar, on 09 May 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:

That argument doesn't even make sense. The point of the game is to break out of Castle Wolfenstein, slaughter Nazis and kill Hitler. What could be more pro-Jewish than that?

Nevertheless people did believe the game was pro-nazi because when they see the game they saw nazi stuff everywhere in the levels. But that was because they where ignorant of the story.

Same thing with Doom really..... but replace nazis with satanism.

[The Commander]

Trailer (with in game footage) or GTFO.

Same typical hype over one silly picture and a model render that could be used for any game.

[OpenMaw]

Hmm...

.... YOU NO MESS WITH LO WANG.


All I can say is John Galt better be involved... Or else!

[xPreatorianx]

Mr. Tibbs, on 09 May 2013 - 03:03 PM, said:

Double Fine designer J.P. LeBreton (the guy who broke the Prey embargo) isn't happy about another Shadow Warrior. https://twitter.com/...505334109335553

It should be noted he didn't mind being paid by 3D Realms when he worked at Human Head Studios.

Other concerns voiced over Twitter: What's left when you remove the casual racism and racial stereotyping? A couple interesting weapons?

Digital Devolver: Unique gameplay mechanics, an interesting relationship between hero and employer, and an unusual setting and scenarios. But again, that is our challenge to prove and hopefully we will do that over the coming months! As you point out, it's seems odd but we know this will be a challenge. (https://twitter.com/...510546588999680) They have the right attitude. I hope they keep the humour and aren't afraid to be a bit silly.

If they leave out Lo Wang's original character, they might as well just create a new IP. Removing Lo Wang's funny asian accent/comments/quirks is like removing Duke's personality. It just isn't right!! But considering how we always have to be politically correct now a days I'm afraid they will cave into the gamers who take life way too seriously.

Jimmy, on 09 May 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

Anyone who finds Shadow Warrior to be racist or offensive is a fucking idiot.

Amen to that man! Like I said people take life way too seriously. Same thing for games. If they had a problem with racism why didn't they voice it back in the day? Yes the internet wasn't as vast but there were still message boards, etc.

[Kathy]

ReaperMan, on 09 May 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

^ The Chinese probably do the same thing to western society.

Which makes it ok to do the same with theirs?

[OpenMaw]

Cathy, on 09 May 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

Which makes it ok to do the same with theirs?

Yes. It's parody. That's the whole point. It's not done with any level of an attempt to make a serious political or racial statement. It's just a jest.



Besides, I think the entire notion of Shadow Warrior is often misunderstood. It's more about being a collection of Eastern/Asian/Kung Fu action film cliches than it is about being somehow intentionally racist or insensitive. It's no different than what Duke does to 80s action films.

[Jimmy]

If anything it's a parody of racism itself.