[bullerbullerseven]

Yatta, on 14 May 2011 - 02:03 PM, said:

Nope, I checked and more than half of your +votes were from multiple people.

Thank you for the information, it was unexpected. And i like it thank you.

And Mrblackcat. I love that you post stuff that helps people and me. Though your posts might be very long xD i still like trying to read them

[MrBlackCat]

Jhect, on 14 May 2011 - 02:25 PM, said:

And Mrblackcat. I love that you post stuff that helps people and me. Though your posts might be very long xD i still like trying to read them

Wait? My posts are long? I thought everyone else's were short! Learn something new every day.

As with point of view on post length, just like feedback reasoning, there will be many views for what is "normal" use.
Hehehe

Maybe I will try to consider more summaries at the end of my posts... I do that now sometimes, but some things can't be shortened without losing important parts of their meaning... like DNA for example.

MrBlackCat

[bullerbullerseven]

Yea, But if everyone's posts are short. Then the short posts become normal

[MrBlackCat]

Jhect, on 14 May 2011 - 03:22 PM, said:

Yea, But if everyone's posts are short. Then the short posts become normal

Do you want everything to be "normal" though? You post seems short to me, but if it conveys your idea, then it works.

I type around 90wpm, so I type my whole idea out and then re-read and crop it down and refine it exactly as I do with computer programs and formulas... get it "working", then start optimization.

Most of my posts here are reduced by 50% to 100% actually. I am trying to "comply" without sacrificing clarity.

I am aware that unheard clarity is no different than untyped clarity.

I will close in saying that metaphorically I see all our posts as different styles of music maybe... Blackharted has a style that is consistent. Just as does Mr.Deviance. My style will not appeal everyone most likely, but my hope would be that some will find them of value at best and at worst, at least not find them an irritant... and I am not asking anyone to listen to music they don't want to either.
I would appreciate being allowed to keep playing this style. However... if it REALLY bothers people, then I don't belong here and I will gladly move on rather than force my "music" into your screens.

I believe this is the whole reason for this thread really... the Reputation System might metaphorically represent the number of people which enjoy your music. It is all about taste, there is not really a "right and wrong". Your negatives might only mean members don't prefer your style, not that there is anything wrong with it in some grand scheme.

MrBlackCat

[The Commander]

OT: I would give MrBlackCat rep if he would put his damn name as a signature and not type it every post.
(I thought we had been over this before and you did change it)

[Micky C]

I'd read MrBlackCat's last post but he had to seperate the first 5 'paragraphs' with line spaces, and it simply looks like too much. I've read longer posts by him in the past though, only if I was bored at the time

[MrBlackCat]

The Commander, on 15 May 2011 - 02:36 AM, said:

OT: I would give MrBlackCat rep if he would put his damn name as a signature and not type it every post.
(I thought we had been over this before and you did change it)

(yeah, I did change it, but it was erased when on the last update, and I didn't want to change it anymore )

Micky C, on 15 May 2011 - 02:47 AM, said:

I'd read MrBlackCat's last post but he had to seperate the first 5 'paragraphs' with line spaces, and it simply looks like too much. I've read longer posts by him in the past though, only if I was bored at the time

The spaces occur most of the time when I strip paragraphs down very small. I noticed it in the last post where I was REALLY trying to compress it. All those single/double sentences were previously paragraphs. Side effect of compression.

Maybe I could script a pull down system for each sentence so the paragraph from which it was condensed could be read if desired therefore increasing compatibility with more types of readers. Hmm...

-----------------------------------
See? Even if in jest or some sarcasm, both posts support a point I believe is very important to this thread... that everyone has different reasons for how they view posts. Another system I use, if it had feedback of any kind would result in the majority of posts on this forum getting negatives because they are too short. So the idea that the Reputation system has more to do with compatibility than "right and wrong", "good or bad" is supported also in the sense that I am more "compatible" there than here by far.

I think this thread is "working" assuming the purpose is to gather different views on how the Reputation system should work.

MrBlackCat

[trencheel303]

MrBlackCat, on 14 May 2011 - 08:13 AM, said:

As far as not reading my posts, it is quite common I think. I have been banned from a forum a few years ago for no other reason than excessively long posts.

You're kidding me right? Man, that sucks. Tell me what forum it was so I can AVOID it!!

[bullerbullerseven]

Yea seriously, what a gay forum. If you don't like long posts, don't read em

[trencheel303]

Did my post just disappear or am I going bananas?

[bullerbullerseven]

You are going banana split!

[ch108]

Whenever I try and rep someone I get this: Action failed: You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day.

I have not been able to rep a single post, I use firefox 4, what do you think could be causing this?

[CruX]

ch108, on 16 May 2011 - 04:39 AM, said:

Whenever I try and rep someone I get this: Action failed: You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day.

I have not been able to rep a single post, I use firefox 4, what do you think could be causing this?

When was the last time you tried to vote? I think users that have under 50 posts aren't allowed to vote. I noticed that you've got over 50 now, but if you didn't beforehand...

[Kathy]

Expletive: How hard is it to understand the simple message? You've reached your fucking quota, meatbag!
Clarification: There is a limit to positive and negative points. It's 50/10, I believe.

[CruX]

Lotan, on 16 May 2011 - 08:52 AM, said:

Expletive: How hard is it to understand the simple message? You've reached your fucking quota, meatbag!

ch108, on 16 May 2011 - 04:39 AM, said:

I have not been able to rep a single post

...How can he reach a quota if he hasn't been able to give any rep points at all? I reiterate, he probably just tried to vote before having 50 posts.

[ch108]

EmericaSkater, on 16 May 2011 - 05:45 AM, said:

When was the last time you tried to vote? I think users that have under 50 posts aren't allowed to vote. I noticed that you've got over 50 now, but if you didn't beforehand...

Ah thank you I was wondering whether it was to do with number of posts, anyway I have celebrated the fact that I can rep people by sending one your way.

[Kathy]

I failed.

[bullerbullerseven]

Ok here is the biggest problem about the rep thing.

If you go to the normal modding/mapping/youknowwhati'mtalkingabout section of then you will suddenly get a lot more votedowns, probably because people only upvote their friends.

But then you go to the duke nukem forever section. And then suddenly people aren't as pessimistic, and you upvote people simply because you just like the good news. It is way harder to get downvotes in that section.

Just a small problem i thought i should share i got about 10 upvotes in one day simply because i only posted in the duke nukem forever section. It just proves that the rep system isn't to take seriously. And you simply just shouldn't care about it. It only makes your experience here on the forums worse. Which means that the rep system really isn't such a good idea.

[MrBlackCat]

Lotan, on 16 May 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

I failed.

Maybe, but you admitted it... and that is cool.

MrBlackCat

[CruX]

Lotan, on 16 May 2011 - 10:18 PM, said:

I failed.

Don't we all at some point?

[Kathy]

Do you mean generaly speaking? Come to think of it death is a failure.

[MrBlackCat]

Jhect doesn't read long posts, so I guess this is not for him... but I just HAVE to look at this post. (and I didn't down vote it for reasons)

Jhect, on 17 May 2011 - 05:17 AM, said:

Ok here is the biggest problem about the rep thing.

Using "problem" suggests the systems doesn't serve some purpose... maybe you just can't see the purpose, or don't like the purpose.
In fairness, the system is "young" too and people might need time to decide how they want to use it. I am positive I have already seem some users explain how they use it and see it has changed.

Jhect said:

If you go to the normal modding/mapping/youknowwhati'mtalkingabout section of then you will suddenly get a lot more votedowns, probably because people only upvote their friends.

Maybe I am naive, but there are some wise people here, especially in the mod section. It impresses me to read there sometimes how they can all work together so well. Upvoting friends? This was mentioned before. I am beyond that... or maybe I should say that my friends are those who contribute to the forum, in some way. Like Mr.Comedy, Mr.Fairness, Mr.Responsibility, MsAll the Previous etc... (I realize contribute is subjective, but that is the best I can do and this is already getting beyond a comfortable length for many forum members)

Jhect said:

But then you go to the duke nukem forever section. And then suddenly people aren't as pessimistic, and you upvote people simply because you just like the good news. It is way harder to get downvotes in that section.

Aren't as pessimistic? You sure you are on the Duke4 forums?
I read around some posts of yours... I just can't see what you see. But I never post in the mod section, and most of my posts are in the Duke Nukem sections... so maybe there are two different mentality of members in these two places?
With that said... that would indicate a more useful system than I would have guessed. Why? Because what you said suggests the Reputation system is "precise" enough that it allows you to see that how you "post" is accepted differently from area to area within the same Forum System.

Jhect said:

Just a small problem i thought i should share i got about 10 upvotes in one day simply because i only posted in the duke nukem forever section.

Why is this a problem? Sounds like your posting style is more compatible in the Duke Nukem Forever section. <?>

Jhect said:

It just proves that the rep system isn't to take seriously.

It might prove that to you... I have been proved nothing of the sort.

Jhect said:

And you simply just shouldn't care about it. It only makes your experience here on the forums worse.

I will care about the Reputation system.
It does not make my experience here far worse. It has helped me to better understand some of the members here and allowed the debunking of some usage concepts.

Jhect said:

Which means that the rep system really isn't such a good idea.

The reputation system might not be a good idea for some... kind of like jails aren't a good idea for criminals.
It is very subjective I agree. If I was into the fine art of trolling, it would help me find Blackharted for instance. (and yes, I am serious)

MrBlackCat

[Hank]

@ Jhect, Re: Your unusual long post

I think the Duke Nukem forum (Eduke/DukePlus etc) is strict. Post off-topic or irrelevant subjects and you'll get a negative point. Post unfair critically or sardonic statements guaranties a red point or two or three. There, it's not what you think you posted but how it is interpreted by others. And since they, in turn, do not wish to post off-topic themselves, those negative points are handed out silently. So, if negative points bother you, think twice before posting there.

The other two forums, I still think that I got points from my friends, by that I mean people on my wave length. Because so far, none of my posts really warrant a plus point.

This is my theory.

[MusicallyInspired]

People shouldn't take minor forum features so seriously. Actually, they shouldn't take forums seriously period. Get over it and ignore it.

[Danukem]

I don't know if this has been suggested before, but a simple way of eliminating a lot of rep abuse just occurred to me. Instead of rep going up/down a point for every up/down vote, make it take two votes on a post for every rep point. For example, if I write a post and it gets a -1, then it has no effect on my rep. Even if I have 10 posts each with -1, it has no effect (same with +1). But if I write a post that gets +10, then I would get 5 rep points for it. Think about all the abuse this would eliminate. If a person working alone downvotes all the posts of their enemies, then it will have no effect unless other people agree with them. Likewise, if two friends decide to upvote each other's posts, this would also have no effect (although the scheme would work if 3 friends got together). In most cases, a truly commendable post gets more than one vote for it (for example, if Helixhorned introduces an awesome new EDuke32 feature). Similarly, a blatent troll post will usually get more than one downvote. Of course there are potential downsides and it would still be abusable, but it seems like it would be an improvement.

[Yatta]

DeeperThought, on 17 May 2011 - 10:06 AM, said:

I don't know if this has been suggested before, but a simple way of eliminating a lot of rep abuse just occurred to me. Instead of rep going up/down a point for every up/down vote, make it take two votes on a post for every rep point. For example, if I write a post and it gets a -1, then it has no effect on my rep. Even if I have 10 posts each with -1, it has no effect (same with +1). But if I write a post that gets +10, then I would get 5 rep points for it. Think about all the abuse this would eliminate. If a person working alone downvotes all the posts of their enemies, then it will have no effect unless other people agree with them. Likewise, if two friends decide to upvote each other's posts, this would also have no effect (although the scheme would work if 3 friends got together). In most cases, a truly commendable post gets more than one vote for it (for example, if Helixhorned introduces an awesome new EDuke32 feature). Similarly, a blatent troll post will usually get more than one downvote. Of course there are potential downsides and it would still be abusable, but it seems like it would be an improvement.

Brilliant. I'm in favor of this idea, especially after some recent incidents that TX knows about.

[MrBlackCat]

Hank, on 17 May 2011 - 07:47 AM, said:

The other two forums, I still think that I got points from my friends, by that I mean people on my wave length. Because so far, none of my posts really warrant a plus point.

This is my theory.

Hank... I don't consider you a friend (or enemy)... and don't even agree with some of your posts that involve making a point... but when I do, I would give a point. I know I have. I don't think I ever gave you a negative though. You don't generally attack others for their opinions from what I can see... but I try to "judge" each post separately maybe. That might be what I am trying to say.
I did say TRY... but again I will bring up the underdog concept. I am more likely to give a jerk a positive for a post I believe is valuable. Maybe I am putting them on a sliding scale. I think I have given Blackharted a positive before.

What I am saying if you didn't read all that up there is this... when I give feedback, negative or positive, I genuinely try not to let it be personal... because I think the most anyone could ask of other members, is to at least try to be "fair".

MrBlackCat

[trencheel303]

Yatta, on 17 May 2011 - 10:29 AM, said:

Brilliant. I'm in favor of this idea, especially after some recent incidents that TX knows about.

Why don't you just ditch the system? Honestly, it's nothing more than pointless willy waving. Several people in this thread have said that, multiple times.

[Yatta]

trencheel303, on 17 May 2011 - 11:26 AM, said:

Why don't you just ditch the system? Honestly, it's nothing more than pointless willy waving. Several people in this thread have said that, multiple times.

That's already been talked to death. I've made posts about it myself.

Keeping the system was the result of thorough and reasonable debate and reflection.

[MrBlackCat]

Yatta, on 17 May 2011 - 11:35 AM, said:

That's already been talked to death. I've made posts about it myself.

Keeping the system was the result of thorough and reasonable debate and reflection.

I just noticed you have been banned Yatta... that is too bad. I have enjoyed reading the Diplomacy Bombs in your posts, but I guess the moderators know best...
(hehehe)

MrBlackCat