[Jmoc]

 Dzierzan, on 12 October 2021 - 11:42 PM, said:

No, no, no, it's not based on. I made my own from scratch where the main difference is better sides.

Now, real talk, how do I voxelize this prop:



I was thinking about removing the glass dome and leaving obviously the Earth. Any objections?

I would replace the glass with a thin wireframe sphere. Or better, let Earth be represented as an hologram. But if I recall correctly, the glass in the original could be damaged...

[Dzierzan]

None of that will work. Define "thin" cause it will always cover the Earth inside. And no, it cannot be damaged as no such sprite exits.

And voxels can be transparent in Build, in Polymost renderer. In theory you could have transparent dome, but that means having two voxels placed on the same spot. I tested that once in Blood and it works... only in Polymost renderer and if you of course place two seperate objects.

Anyway, I'll remove the glass dome. The sacrifise must be made.

[Ninety-Six]

The polymost-only transparent dome could work for official maps at least, and domeless for user maps.

[Dzierzan]

No, you cannot have both transparent and non transparent voxels within ONE model. If the dome is transparent, so is the base and Earth inside.

I will make both versions.

[DotK3D]

Hello all. I still read the forum from time to time, always amazed by the very nice work posted on this topic, and on others of course.
I wonder, for the earth under the dome, if it could be possible to to just add the white reflections, and possibly a bit of jagged white lining at the junction of the dome and the grey part, to just suggest it's a glass dome ? Like the window sprite. IIRC, it's just white reflections on this sprite.
It's just an idea, I don't know what it would look like.

[Striker]

 Dzierzan, on 13 October 2021 - 04:00 AM, said:

None of that will work. Define "thin" cause it will always cover the Earth inside. And no, it cannot be damaged as no such sprite exits.

And voxels can be transparent in Build, in Polymost renderer. In theory you could have transparent dome, but that means having two voxels placed on the same spot. I tested that once in Blood and it works... only in Polymost renderer and if you of course place two seperate objects.

Anyway, I'll remove the glass dome. The sacrifise must be made.

This makes me ponder if it would be possible to implement multi-voxel models in DEF. Like, specify two voxels for one sprite, and set attributes like transparency for each one.

[Skull-Haver]

Wowow these KICK ASS!! i had to sign up just to give some appreciation for all u modders hard work!!

[Dzierzan]

So..... as I wrote, I made two versions and I am pull requesting both on github. Up to you people which one you wanna use:

[0815Jack]

maybe its too late for suggestions, but what about a partially open dome?

something like this https://www.pinteres...72850833635536/ but less complex...... sorry couldn't find anything better right now...

otherwise I would opt for the without dome version....

[Dzierzan]

[LeoD]

I'd choose the visible Earth. It makes more sense in the original context, and I wouldn't expect it to look displaced in user maps either.

[NightFright]

Github updated. Regarding #542, the version with visible Earth globe is loaded by default. Definition for the alternate version is available in props.def.

[Dzierzan]

Some kind of lights, apparently only used here.

[jkas789]

Looks like a laser or electrical current is coming out of them.

[NightFright]

#658/659 added on Github.

[Ñuño Martínez]

Dzierzan, on 18 October 2021 - 03:41 AM, said:

Some kind of lights, apparently only used here.

Is it a game map? I've always wondered where that thing is used.

[NightFright]

Used in E4L11 "Area 51" on the conveyor belt before entering the teleporter to the alien spacecraft. See this video around time index 14:47.

[Dzierzan]

All sushi plates:

[Dzierzan]

So... here's another glassed object, some kind of alien or fetus.



It's not really possible to voxelize it... so I am willing to remove the fetus. Any objections?

[NightFright]

Well, that's going to suck in L.A. Rumble since there's that alien abortion clinic there, and with that detail on the voxel missing, it's kinda taking away quite a bit from that scene. It was possible to get around the problem with that Earth dome, but not quite so here.

It might look like shit, but in this case I'd rather opt for putting the fetus as a skin on the outside of the jar. That or actually not voxelizing this at all.

As sad as it is: Not every single sprite in the game should or needs to be turned into a voxel at all costs if it can't replicate the character of the original.

[Jimmy]

In reality eDuke32 just needs functionality added for multi-voxel defs, supporting transparency.

I say go ahead and just make the empty jar, you would have to do that anyway if such functionality was added.

[NightFright]

Well, if there's any time for a feature request, guess it's now. Without any doubt there'll be more cases where this particular issue will lead to discussions.

In general we shouldn't need to talk about which visual feature to sacrifice on a voxel due to technical limitations.

[Phredreeke]

This is one occasion where I would leave the voxel off by default, at least until we figure out a way to layer multiple voxels together.

Those plate sprites look great btw. I believe the skull used on the plate is used as a gib in ROTT so if there ever is a voxel pack for that game then that's one voxel (just about) already done.

[Jimmy]

I think most of them are edited jibs from ROTT.

[Ninety-Six]

I apologize for this being unrelated to the topic at hand, but:



What's going on here, and why is this only a problem in polymost? In classic this voxel works as intended. The Cinema sign in Hollywood Holocaust does the same thing but the maphack seems to address it fine enough.

[NightFright]

That E1L2 neon sign looks more like a rendering problem in Polymost. If it looks fine in Classic, it shouldn't change when switching the renderer. Anyway, I guess we can flip one of the two neon sides (probably sprite #373 since that's the one you don't see right away) if there's no other solution. Doesn't look too nice from one side, but at least the sign is legible, then.

E1L2 maphacks updated and Sushi plates added on Github.

[Micky C]

Are the eduke devs aware of the problem? The ideal solution would be to fix polymost so that it renders the same way as classic.

[NightFright]

Can't find any related issue here. Maybe someone with an account can create one for this, then?

[Dzierzan]

[NightFright]

Added on Github.

(Note: These camera/movie rolls are often used in different ways in user maps, e.g. for stoves, so they won't look right there and would need maphacks to deactivate them.)