[Danukem]

NightFright, on 30 November 2020 - 08:18 AM, said:

If it looks good, why not. We already have the Battlelord mortar and the tripbomb as voxel projectiles, so similar stuff has already been done, kinda.

Not similar in the relevant ways, though. The rocket will look weird in 3D if it doesn't pitch. People in this very thread convinced me that it was a bad idea when I suggested it myself a while back. :lol:

It may have issues but at this point I say just make it because it can put the speculation to rest and then people like me will stop requesting it.

[Jimmy]

I actually programmed 3D rocket behaviour one time using sprites. Using the same system and pre-angled voxels with say 15° increments it might look pretty good (or not.) Either way, it's plausible pitch and roll commands could be added in the future, so even if the voxel couldn't be used now it could be later perhaps. It could also be useful for modders in the meantime.

Overall the RPG has very inconsistent art, and at times appearing a little crushed. Below is a chart of all the official art, along awith some edits I have created that I believe would greatly assist anyone making voxels. I took some artistic liberty I guess, but I studied the shapes and different angles and that's what I came up with. It's pretty obvious only certain angles ever got final polishing passes by the artist.

https://i.imgur.com/mBAcdtY.png

[Borion]

Dzierzan, on 30 November 2020 - 07:50 AM, said:

Guys! What's your opinion about voxelizing RPG's rocket? Yay or nay?

Yay! I started working on RPG rocket (7+1 distinct frames) half year ago but paused it at certain point. Just can't decide on few details regarding length, light, etc so I left it for later.

Some months ago on this thread there was a discussion about how to interpret rocket dimensions, since sprites are quite inconsistent. It looks like original 3D renders were couple of times modified by hand in pixelart(y) style. There was rocket sprites comparison from various DN3D builds that Jimmy once published, all problems are visible there.

Looks like You are dedicated to get it done now and probably have your own set of ideas, so please go with it Dzierzan.

EDIT:
Jimmy beat me to it.

[Dzierzan]

Soon...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/311884728317771777/783080181265858610/unknown.png

[NightFright]

I just remember that shuttle sprite is pitched by default. Are you imitating that rotation with the voxel? Seems that way.

[jkas789]

Spaceships and rockets. So exciting!

Also, has there been any consideration to voxelize WT sprites?

[Dzierzan]

It's technically done, but since pitching causes a lot of artifacts and distortion, it still requires some extra work before it can be used in the game.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/311884728317771777/783427933662085130/shuttle2.gif

[Borion]

Dzierzan, on 01 December 2020 - 12:37 PM, said:

It's technically done, but since pitching causes a lot of artifacts and distortion, it still requires some extra work before it can be used in the game.

It is a beauty, very high quality model. I'm impressed with lighting work and translating sprites "softness" into model.

I imagine that besides being nice campaign-map prop, this object can be used for some cutscene or intermission.

[Dzierzan]

BTW I was thinking... apart from this thread, was Duke Voxel Pack advertised somewhere else? It's currently a niche mod for eduke32/BuildGDX/Raze (not sure about Raze though)?

Perhaps Moddb website would be a good place to put it on? Just someone who's in charge of this project could put it there too (I guess it's currently you NightFright).

https://www.moddb.co...e-nukem-3d/mods

[NightFright]

I have an account over at ModDB, maybe it's time to put it to some actual use soon. After the shuttle is finished, we can do another preview release and then it may be a good opportunity to "expand".

[Dzierzan]

Anyway, I made a pull request on Github. Keep in mind that a pitched version will be used in the game, untill a proper implementation for voxel rotation in any direction will be implemented.

In the attachment I am giving you pitched and non-pitched versions.

Attached File(s)

•  spaceshuttle.zip (63.42K)
  Number of downloads: 8

[NightFright]

I guess the sprite version is pitched because otherwise it would be hard to identify it as a shuttle. I am not sure whether we should actually use the pitched voxel or rather the other.

Also I just realized the shuttle is used often in signs. That can look nasty without maphacks. I know it's used in Lunar Apocalypse a few times in space, but there may be some more "untraditional" usages of the sprite.

I also remember there is at least one in the Smithsonian level of DukeDC. Would be good to catch them all in the official levels including WT and addons. I doubt there are any in Caribbean and Nuclear Winter, though.

[Dzierzan]

Well, keep in mind that non pitched will actually look wrong in the game. And yeah, I recall it from DC addon... Museum, right?

[NightFright]

I have updated the DUKEDC4 maphacks (luckily, most of the work was already done, especially the shuttle sprite used as a sign). To my surprise, that shuttle is used a lot less in the original maps than I had assumed. With the inclusion of this large voxel object, I found the time has come for a new release after such a long time (last preview was in July).

Version 2.0 RC1

I have deleted all previous preview releases to avoid confusion due to changed version numbers and now moved on to a "release candidate" series instead.

[SonicB00M]

Both geishas in E3M1 are not aligned properly. I am using the World Tour.

[NightFright]

Probably someone forgot to adjust those since they have different IDs in WT. I bet there are more like these. Things could have been so easy if WT hadn't messed with sprite IDs in all classic levels.

*UPDATE*
Fixed. Apparently it was wrong for both Atomic and World Tour. Voxel must have different orientation compared to the HRP model (it's rotated 90° clockwise, meaning you have to add +512 units to all angoff entries regarding that sprite). Gladly, E3L1 is the only map in which this statue is used (AFAIK). If anyone knows if one of the addons (or WT) has it, please tell me so I can check.

[Dzierzan]

You like big voxels? Sure you do!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/311884728317771777/784150491533017088/dufbeer.gif

[NightFright]

Zeppelin added on Github.

[SonicB00M]

This secret area in Freeway could use a map hack.

[Dzierzan]

The heck you mean? It looks fine to me ;)

[SonicB00M]

I guess you prefer having your junk pressed against the toilet paper while taking a dump xD

[NightFright]

I have checked that toilet in E3L11 and cannot find anything wrong with it. Maphack is already there and applied properly. It also doesn't matter whether you are using Atomic or WT, sprite ID is the same for both versions. Whatever you are doing with those maphacks, you are doing it wrong.

[SonicB00M]

Hm, I am using Cosmetic Duke as well as the voxel pack. The other toilets seemed fine and judging by the angled pickups, the maphacks work properly. Odd that this toilet isn't aligned right for me.

[NightFright]

Sprite 89 angoff 512
That's the entry that fixes that toilet. I can only think of two reasons why it wouldn't work: Either the maphack file isn't loaded (but then there are also other mistakes), or another file or entry counteracts the fix (e.g. sprite 89 angoff -512).

[jkas789]

SonicB00M, on 05 December 2020 - 03:57 PM, said:

Hm, I am using Cosmetic Duke as well as the voxel pack. The other toilets seemed fine and judging by the angled pickups, the maphacks work properly. Odd that this toilet isn't aligned right for me.

Are you sure you are including the maphacks.def file in Duke3d.def?

[The Watchtower]

Dzierzan, on 03 December 2020 - 12:27 PM, said:

You like big voxels? Sure you do!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/311884728317771777/784150491533017088/dufbeer.gif

Bombardiers to your stations!

[Dzierzan]

@NightFright

Why did you remove the maphack I created for the Duf Beer?

Without it looks like it:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/579337540985946156/785160147331973170/unknown.png

I did angoff = 0 by purpose because that way the airship will be positioned parallel to the stadion. Unless you and people think it's better as seen above.

Anyway, here's another voxel:

Some kind of air vent on ships I guess (only found in E4L9)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/311884728317771777/785158299091730502/dn3D_airwent.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/579337540985946156/785161951428345856/unknown.png

[NightFright]

Angoff 0 shouldn't do anything, technically. I didn't expect it to make any difference. I can bring it back. In this case I don't believe it matters much, though.

[SonicB00M]

NightFright, on 06 December 2020 - 04:54 AM, said:

Sprite 89 angoff 512
That's the entry that fixes that toilet. I can only think of two reasons why it wouldn't work: Either the maphack file isn't loaded (but then there are also other mistakes), or another file or entry counteracts the fix (e.g. sprite 89 angoff -512).

So it appears the maphack file for that particular level isn't loaded when I play through the episode normally or when I launch the episode and then skip to Freeway. When I use 'map e3l11' in the main menu, the maphack loads fine.

jkas789, on 06 December 2020 - 05:22 AM, said:

Are you sure you are including the maphacks.def file in Duke3d.def?

[NightFright]

Our maphacks cover 1.3D, Atomic and World Tour. Atomic also covers Plutonium Pak, so basically there are no other versions. Unless you use an edited version of the map, the hacks should load.