[Borion]

NightFright, on 02 March 2020 - 08:16 AM, said:

This seems to be a complex one. Let's hope it doesn't cause any noticable slowdowns when they are used en masse.

Yes, it might be heavy for older rigs. I did what I could to simplify leaves shapes and keep less visible parts as flat as possible.

EDIT:
In-game shot

[Jimmy]

Holy shit my dude.

[Fox]

Good job

But I got some criticism, it got a bit of a "porcupine" look, rather than looking like palm tree leaves

Reference images:









And good luck with the last one

[Striker]

Yeah, bigger/wider individual leaves would help.

[Jimmy]

Also playing around with the pack, the Riot Tank comes off way too huge. I've scaled it down to .94 and it looks perfect. Compare by switching voxels on and off, it "feels" more like the scale of the sprite. The added 3 dimensions makes the Riot Tank and the Pig Cop inside look really fucking big. Scaled down, it's shocking just how close to the sprite it really is. Also, not sure if its just me, but the attempt to add animations to it is rather broken.

[NightFright]

I shall implement the tank scale adjustment, then. This long beta testing phase is really paying off.

[Borion]

Fox, on 02 March 2020 - 06:28 PM, said:

Good job

But I got some criticism, it got a bit of a "porcupine" look, rather than looking like palm tree leaves

And good luck with the last one

Thanks Fox!
Porcupine look - yes, it is too regular for a plant.
I will try to stagger middle "rings" of leaves, so they look less regular. Those references will come in handy. I had hard time finding species that tree2 is based on. And thanks for posting both sources for original sprites, I knew only first one.

@Last one - thanks Fox

Striker, on 02 March 2020 - 08:42 PM, said:

Yeah, bigger/wider individual leaves would help.

Not that I don't agree Striker, but in this case this would require model to be redone in most part. I can't just scale elements like in 3D model. This one took more than 8 hours, I would rather make second palm tree when I get a chance.

Jimmy, on 02 March 2020 - 09:37 PM, said:

Also playing around with the pack, the Riot Tank comes off way too huge. I've scaled it down to .94 and it looks perfect. Compare by switching voxels on and off, it "feels" more like the scale of the sprite. The added 3 dimensions makes the Riot Tank and the Pig Cop inside look really fucking big. Scaled down, it's shocking just how close to the sprite it really is. Also, not sure if its just me, but the attempt to add animations to it is rather broken.

Good find, scale .94 looks better in my opinion too.
About animation, have you tried uncommenting this line in eduke.con Jimmy? It is wonky, but generally works.

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// Pigcop Tank code
include scripts/pigtank.con

NightFright, on 02 March 2020 - 09:59 PM, said:

This long beta testing phase is really paying off.

Yep, slowly but steadily forward

[Jimmy]

I missed that. The formatting of the defs/cons is awful.

[Micky C]

8 hours!? That’s amazing dedication. Thanks for your continued efforts

On the topic of slowdowns, I thought that the dimensions of the voxel, as opposed to its complexity, is what dictates performance?

[Borion]

Micky C, on 03 March 2020 - 03:05 AM, said:

8 hours!? That’s amazing dedication. Thanks for your continued efforts

On the topic of slowdowns, I thought that the dimensions of the voxel, as opposed to its complexity, is what dictates performance?

Thanks Micky!

IIRC volume is crucial in Classic. I think Polymost converts voxel models to mesh objects, so more complex shape = more vertices to render. But don't quote me on that.

[LeoD]

NightFright, on 02 March 2020 - 09:59 PM, said:

I shall implement the tank scale adjustment, then. This long beta testing phase is really paying off.

I'd rather opt against watering the faithfulness. It's a Tank, guys, it's big, so why shrink it?. Similar considerations about the front side of ketchup and mustard, btw..

[Kyanos]

Borion, on 03 March 2020 - 03:18 AM, said:

I think Polymost converts voxel models to mesh objects, so more complex shape = more vertices to render. But don't quote me on that.

1 voxel = 12 triangles (by itself) It's not quite that bad on the whole as many voxel faces get culled by contact with another voxel, but it's brutal polygon soup when voxel objects get detailed and have many exposed faces.

On the subject, an ambitous coder could learn some voxel rendering optimisation tricks from voxlap/open spades. It's all about combining like colour faces to make larger triangles therefore less polygons.

[ReaperMan]

LeoD, on 03 March 2020 - 12:33 PM, said:

I'd rather opt against watering the faithfulness. It's a Tank, guys, it's big, so why shrink it?. Similar considerations about the front side of ketchup and mustard, btw..

There are other things in the pack that are scaled down as well, the magazine for the pistol and pipebomb for example. Sometimes they just look better that way.

[Fox]

LeoD, on 03 March 2020 - 12:33 PM, said:

I'd rather opt against watering the faithfulness. It's a Tank, guys, it's big, so why shrink it?. Similar considerations about the front side of ketchup and mustard, btw..

Is it not going to be weird if the pig inside is different?

[Jimmy]

LeoD, on 03 March 2020 - 12:33 PM, said:

I'd rather opt against watering the faithfulness. It's a Tank, guys, it's big, so why shrink it?. Similar considerations about the front side of ketchup and mustard, btw..

The voxel looks larger than the sprite. Compare in game.

[Kyanos]

Jimmy, on 04 March 2020 - 08:37 AM, said:

The voxel looks larger than the sprite. Compare in game.

Hmmm. is it more voxels tall than pixels? I thought the pack was 1:1

[Jimmy]

It looks larger. I get you're not all artists but it's a matter of perspective. The additional dimension changes how it looks.

[Kyanos]

I get your point. But I've noticed that the scale on all voxels seems a bit off (larger than equal sized sprites) and it I think it may be showing this more with the larger sprites and maybe sprites that are scaled via con (like the ammo is 48 IIRC not 64)

[OpenMaw]

Yeah there are several variables at play unfortunately. The hardcoded, con coded scaling aspects, and the actual depth of the voxels creating a different effect than the original sprites.

[MusicallyInspired]

Wow that tree is nuts great work.

[Fox]

All Build games so far had voxel silhouette matching the sprite size, I'm not sure about changing that

[Jimmy]

Its way simpler than any of that. We're talking about a 6% scale difference that is applied via DEF file. The voxel itself is still 1:1. The reason it looks larger than it should is because the sprite shows the Pig Cop's face level with the player's view. Because the voxel is actually three dimensional when rendered in game you are looking up to the Pig Cop's face. A scale of 0.94% renders it in a way that it visually appears the same. At 100% scale not only does the Pig Cop's face sit above eye level, the tank towers over the player and appears higher than the sprite.

[Rellik]

Shitty ms paint example: because the tank protrudes further forward, it appears larger to the player.

[Borion]

foodobject7 (4536)

[NightFright]

Added to GitHub.

[mxrtxn]

It is so inspiring to see Borions work,

I really liked the geishas, beautiful work.

Striker I am thinking in the future to convert my Shadow Warrior voxels to duke´s pallete. Do you think is it possible to add some of them to striker MOD?

By the due to the virus issue I have more free time so I manage to finish these two voxels, just in time to update the voxel pack:



Wondering how they would look in duke nukem (there´s no voxfil file like in SW so I cannot do it as easy as in that game)...

Feel free to download them (16 new ones):

https://forums.duke4...900#entry339900

P.S. And yes this is shameless promotion of my voxel pack, so Borion feel free to do the same in my thread, though is not as popular as duke

[Borion]

mxrtxn, on 24 March 2020 - 06:30 PM, said:

It is so inspiring to see Borions work,

I really liked the geishas, beautiful work.

Striker I am thinking in the future to convert my Shadow Warrior voxels to duke´s pallete. Do you think is it possible to add some of them to striker MOD?

By the due to the virus issue I have more free time so I manage to finish these two voxels, just in time to update the voxel pack:


Wondering how they would look in duke nukem (there´s no voxfil file like in SW so I cannot do it as easy as in that game)...

Feel free to download them (16 new ones):

https://forums.duke4...900#entry339900

P.S. And yes this is shameless promotion of my voxel pack, so Borion feel free to do the same in my thread, though is not as popular as duke

Thanks!

I need to finally check out voxel pack for SW, and SW in general. It is least known to me of best BUILD games.

[Borion]

tree2 (910)

[NightFright]

Ok, my concerns about that voxel were completely needless, it seems. It's awesome.

[Borion]

NightFright, on 01 April 2020 - 10:28 AM, said:

Ok, my concerns about that voxel were completely needless, it seems. It's awesome.

Thanks, NF!