[ReaperMan]

Most projects like this end up failing.

[The Commander]

Captain Awesome, on Oct 19 2010, 03:37 PM, said:

Any old asshole can whip up a room in a day's time and try to make a "trailer" for it, but at the end of the day he has jack shit to show. The general republic is fuckin' retarded, so public attention means null.

MusicallyInspired, on Oct 19 2010, 06:08 PM, said:

You guys sure do jump to conclusions. It just started. We have no way of knowing how fun the gameplay (the most important part, as you guys so faithfully defend regarding Duke3D and DNF). Don't base your opinions on the current graphics.

GRAND THEFT AUTO: SOURCE

I made this in 5 or so minutes, I wonder how many stupid Source fools I can entice with this.




My point is still the same as Captain Awesome, any one can make one shitty room and pimp the pictures like it's the next best thing since sliced bread.

[VinsaneOne]

Captain Awesome, on Oct 18 2010, 10:37 PM, said:

You're ignorant. I mean hell, you don't even know the difference between "your" and "you're."

You make me laugh with that cheap-ass shot! But thanks for pointing that out because only a genius like you could ever figure out what I meant, but you got it. Congratulations!

ReaperMan, on Oct 19 2010, 12:42 AM, said:

Let me put this in simple terms for you.

Multiple people work on a project you need their consent to use their work. You don't get their consent to publish their work you get in serious trouble, even if you gave them permission to use your game character. Along with that it was given a personal non-commercial license.

I know all about that. You missed the point(s) I was making, that it's still owned by T2/GBX, and they can do whatever the hell they want with it.

[Jimmy]

MusicallyInspired, on Oct 19 2010, 01:08 AM, said:

You guys sure do jump to conclusions. It just started. We have no way of knowing how fun the gameplay (the most important part, as you guys so faithfully defend regarding Duke3D and DNF). Don't base your opinions on the current graphics.

I'm not a graphics whore, but seriously, this guy has no idea what he's doing. Why are there streetlights on the roof top? Why didn't he at least build some other buildings around the rooftop? He's letting Duke64 show him up. Face it, as far as we can see, this is just a glorified, and boring, Eduke32/Polymer+HRP. If he doesn't want it to be called shit, he should bring something more to the table other than logos or thrown together rooms in a skybox.

VinsaneOne, on Oct 19 2010, 02:50 AM, said:

You make me laugh with that cheap-ass shot! But thanks for pointing that out because only a genius like you could ever figure out what I meant, but you got it. Congratulations!


I know all about that. You missed the point(s) I was making, that it's still owned by T2/GBX, and they can do whatever the hell they want with it.

You missed the point where the game is not T2 nor GBX's property. They only own the Duke Nukem IP, not any of the materials that would be created by this team. You don't know what you're talking about.

[The Commander]

This Half Life 2 map pisses all over the mod.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=bnLZCY4e_L0

[Mr.Deviance]

The Commander, on Oct 19 2010, 01:17 PM, said:

This Half Life 2 map pisses all over the mod.

Don't look now, but I think that map might actually piss all over DNF too, lol!

[Richard Shead]

The Commander, on Oct 19 2010, 12:17 PM, said:

This Half Life 2 map pisses all over the mod.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=bnLZCY4e_L0

Can I please borrow the time machine that you used to see what the final look and feel of the mod will be and how it will play?? Seriously, you have absolutely zero and I mean ZERO information for making an assessment like that.

Are you really using a few *extremely* WIP concept shots and an uber-early test vid(taken from when there wasn't even any mod team yet) to draw such a comparison to a finished and released product which had been polished out the wazoo??

You. Are. A. Joke.

[Hank]

Captain Awesome, on Oct 18 2010, 10:37 PM, said:

Also, Hank, 3D Realms still exists, their website is a confirmation of that.

Thanks to you as well. - In short there is hope those guys will make more games!

[Jimmy]

Duke Rocks, on Oct 19 2010, 05:46 PM, said:

Can I please borrow the time machine that you used to see what the final look and feel of the mod will be and how it will play?? Seriously, you have absolutely zero and I mean ZERO information for making an assessment like that.

Are you really using a few *extremely* WIP concept shots and an uber-early test vid(taken from when there wasn't even any mod team yet) to draw such a comparison to a finished and released product which had been polished out the wazoo??

You. Are. A. Joke.

He's obviously talking about it in it's current state, you dunce.

Hank, on Oct 19 2010, 05:59 PM, said:

Thanks to you as well. - In short there is hope those guys will make more games!

Yes, in an interview George Broussard said they are thinking about reviving the Rise of the Triad and Shadow Warrior series now that their swan song is gone.

[MusicallyInspired]

You guys are all haters. The lot of you. I'll happily join you if the MOD does turn out to be crap after it's released, though.

[canada4duke]

MusicallyInspired, on Oct 19 2010, 09:31 PM, said:

You guys are all haters. The lot of you. I'll happily join you if the MOD does turn out to be crap after it's released, though.

Nicely said - I have felt the hatred from the eduke-mapster hrp groups.
As I said before, I had a duke project (on a new engine) in the works not long ago, I have since peeled duke out of it since Gearbox seems to have taken the bull by the horns and actually working on duke games.
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I do however have a back-burner project to 3d-ify Duke1 and Duke2
Actually made some progress
Keep up the work - don't let the haters get you down.
They are just jealous that you are getting more attention than their old build engine mods

[The Commander]

canada4duke, on Oct 21 2010, 05:27 AM, said:

They are just jealous that you are getting more attention than their old build engine mods

I think we were actually trying to save him from the public humiliation of a failed project (if it does fail) that got hyped so much with so little to show at the time.

[canada4duke]

The Commander, on Oct 20 2010, 01:34 PM, said:

I think we were actually trying to save him from the public humiliation of a failed project (if it does fail) that got hyped so much with so little to show at the time.

Oh I get it now - unless we non-eduke devs come up with a near fully working playable demo we should just not bother to post anything here.
Sounds like a great environment you have going here to promote the Duke Brand.
I think I'll fall back on my own industry knowledge and professional background than the closed mindedness of the eduke community.

[The Commander]

canada4duke, on Oct 21 2010, 07:12 AM, said:

Oh I get it now - unless we non-eduke devs come up with a near fully working playable demo we should just not bother to post anything here.

Anyone can make the roof top of E1L1 these days in any engine, need to see more than a square room.

[Danukem]

There's a lot of shitty posts in this thread. We have people who are ready to dismiss the whole project based on a few preliminary screen shots, and we have others who are ready to dismiss the entire Duke 3D community as a bunch of haters.

Here is the truth. Those early screens did exactly what they were supposed to do: create excitement and help in the formation of a team for making the mod. But there is not much to get excited about at this point, and the mod will probably never be completed (I'm not passing judgment on the project by saying that, but as a matter of statistics the odds are not good).

[Richard Shead]

Captain Awesome, on Oct 19 2010, 04:35 PM, said:

He's obviously talking about it in it's current state, you dunce.

Duh.......I never said or implied otherwise. In fact, I made it painfully apparent that he was being an idiot for passing judgments on what little has been released so far. Either way, it's extremely pointless and stupid- might as well say DooM 3 pisses all over DNF because the 1998 trailer looks like shit in comparison.

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Yes, in an interview George Broussard said they are thinking about reviving the Rise of the Triad and Shadow Warrior series now that their swan song is gone.

What interview? They have categorically confirmed time and time again that we will never see Shadow Warrior again- no ifs, ands or buts. I believe that even in a recent interview(with Miller?), the prospect of a Shadow Warrior sequel was dismissed.

And a RotT reboot has already been confirmed.

[canada4duke]

DeeperThought, on Oct 20 2010, 03:29 PM, said:

There's a lot of shitty posts in this thread. We have people who are ready to dismiss the whole project based on a few preliminary screen shots, and we have others who are ready to dismiss the entire Duke 3D community as a bunch of haters.

Here is the truth. Those early screens did exactly what they were supposed to do: create excitement and help in the formation of a team for making the mod. But there is not much to get excited about at this point, and the mod will probably never be completed (I'm not passing judgment on the project by saying that, but as a matter of statistics the odds are not good).

Strange, with little to no effort (just the duke4.net forums search) anyone can find a minimum 5 threads of the same type project, with the same people making the same 'it will never happen' comments. Not a Good Luck, Hope it works out for you, barely any supportive comments, mostly negative. But if someone posts a work in progress using the eduke-mapster-build system - holy crapola! the same commenter's are ready to add tips and even lend a hand. You want links to threads as proof - bite me! find them yourself. I have personally experienced this myself and will not stand idly by while another dev is beaten up because he's trying something new.

My pledge to anyone on this board - if you are working on a non-eduke/mapster/build engine game and are willing to ignore the negative posters, I will be happy to help anyway I can.

PS. my 1st game, long time ago, in a gaming world far far away

'legend of the red dragon' 'caves of despair'

[The Commander]

canada4duke, on Oct 21 2010, 09:21 AM, said:

My pledge to anyone on this board - if you are working on a non-eduke/mapster/build engine game and are willing to ignore the negative posters, I will be happy to help anyway I can.

I work on w3d (not shockwave), source and others not just build.
What is your cup of tea?

[Jimmy]

MusicallyInspired, on Oct 19 2010, 09:31 PM, said:

You guys are all haters. The lot of you. I'll happily join you if the MOD does turn out to be crap after it's released, though.

Big deal, hatred is a good thing.

canada4duke, on Oct 20 2010, 12:27 PM, said:

They are just jealous that you are getting more attention than their old build engine mods

Mainly because I'm not dumb enough to try and hype an overly-ambitious project that isn't off the ground.

Duke Rocks, on Oct 20 2010, 03:54 PM, said:

What interview? They have categorically confirmed time and time again that we will never see Shadow Warrior again- no ifs, ands or buts. I believe that even in a recent interview(with Miller?), the prospect of a Shadow Warrior sequel was dismissed.

And a RotT reboot has already been confirmed.

Like I said, they're only thinking about it. Also, practically anything said before the selling of the Duke Nukem IP is invalid because they no longer have a top bill franchise.

[canada4duke]

The Commander, on Oct 20 2010, 04:40 PM, said:

I work on w3d (not shockwave), source and others not just build.
What is your cup of tea?

Earl Grey, Hot


Kidding

used to work on quake, some unreal, hooked on Unity now - especially the new one Unity 3.

Unity 3 - now publishes to Browser based games, Wii, Android, iPhone, Pc, Mac, xbox360 and PS3
and has a free version.

Unity may be a little different from unreal or bsp editing, really its a lot like build but actually has a 3rd dimension to it.
I have other stuff I like to work on but they have nothing to do with gaming

[MusicallyInspired]

I'm not dismissing the entire Duke community. I just think things like this deserve at least SOME support instead of the flat out "you will fail" trash posts some people spew out. And no, hatred is not a good thing. Constructive criticism is.

The Commander, on Oct 20 2010, 03:40 PM, said:

I work on w3d (not shockwave), source and others not just build.
What is your cup of tea?

Work on any Duke stuff with that?

[Tetsuo]

Well it's not like this project is going to come out tomorrow any way. They've got a lot of work to do and it remains to be seen if they'll have the stamina to see this project through to fruition. The way they are going to release a multiplayer demo first reminds me an awful lot of the transfusion project. It like a lot of total conversion projects has stalled and who knows if they'll ever get past the stage they are in now. I think people are jumping the hype gun a little too soon after just seeing a couple of rooms which are mostly just UT3 textured rooms based on the original Duke3D levels.

[Hank]

MusicallyInspired, on Oct 20 2010, 08:28 PM, said:

I'm not dismissing the entire Duke community. I just think things like this deserve at least SOME support instead of the flat out "you will fail" trash posts some people spew out. And no, hatred is not a good thing. Constructive criticism is.

Can't resist. Hate is good. If you actually expect to complete such a large undertaking, a couple of stringed together letters won't do much, expect motivate to "I'll show you".
And to be fair, the Eduke ( not Duke ) community put a lot of work in the latest Eduke32. To post here about using another engine is risky business. I think it's passion for Eduke and not hate against another game engine.

And, redoing Duke in great detail is boring work for Dukers, well for me. So let them do the work – we download, and play. By that time Eduke32 is Eduke64 with more TCs. Win-win scenario, methinks.

[Stabs]

well if they do go all the way, we have a whole new set of duke resources in a new engine that we can mod / map from, and thats one main reason i havnt bothered learning modern editors is the resources I would have to use, and its not looking likley DNF will have modding / mapping capabilities, so I am looking forward to that aspect.

but yes i can understand peoples angst here, given that over the years anything of this nature has been bitch slapped by legal BS, and a couple of screenshots scores a license, anyone here with any UT mapping skills could have done the same a year or 2 ago, but they didnt bother given the reactions of similar projects or even suggesting to attempt such a thing.

Personally though i would have more fun playing through something like that than making it

[ReaperMan]

MusicallyInspired, on Oct 20 2010, 08:28 PM, said:

I just think things like this deserve at least SOME support instead of the flat out "you will fail" trash posts some people spew out. And no, hatred is not a good thing. Constructive criticism is.

Very well this will fail, unless you work hard rather then spamming photos, focus on making it more "Duke Nukem" like and are lucky as 99.9% of project like this fail to ever get finished.

That better?

[VinsaneOne]

Captain Awesome, on Oct 19 2010, 04:14 PM, said:

You missed the point where the game is not T2 nor GBX's property. They only own the Duke Nukem IP, not any of the materials that would be created by this team. You don't know what you're talking about.

It may seem that way, simply because I'm a bit confused about this 'IP' thing. I thought anything containing the Duke Nukem name, likeness of Duke, the nuke logo etc, would become property of the IP owner. In fact, on 3DR's forums, there is this note at the bottom of every page stating: Ideas and messages posted here become property of Apogee Software Ltd. That tells me they own it regardless of who created it. To add more confusion, if and when this DNNG game is released, who is the rightful owner?
I'm not trying to be a dick, but until you've read that license agreement issued to Fresch, then I'm sorry, it's you who don't know what you're talking about.

[ReaperMan]

VinsaneOne, on Oct 21 2010, 01:59 AM, said:

It may seem that way, simply because I'm a bit confused about this 'IP' thing. I thought anything containing the Duke Nukem name, likeness of Duke, the nuke logo etc, would become property of the IP owner. In fact, on 3DR's forums, there is this note at the bottom of every page stating: Ideas and messages posted here become property of Apogee Software Ltd. That tells me they own it regardless of who created it. To add more confusion, if and when this DNNG game is released, who is the rightful owner?
I'm not trying to be a dick, but until you've read that license agreement issued to Fresch, then I'm sorry, it's you who don't know what you're talking about.

Non-commercial means he can't sell the game, basically it gives Fresch permission to use Duke Nukem in his game if its released freely. Copyright protection stops Gearbox, or any one else for that matter, from using material created by him or anyone else involved in this project this project; which means Gearbox can't just sell what they created because Fresh and the others involved in the project own it (its the law that never changes).

Basically all gearbox did was give permission to use Duke Nukem, but due to copyright laws Gearbox can't sell their work. So you are wrong.

[Tea Monster]

I think it's great to see an attempt at making something truly next gen with a modern engine. Yeah, the HL2 team and others could have done all this years ago if they had been allowed, but that is how things panned out for reasons completely out of their control.

I wish them luck and look forward to seeing what they come up with.

[The Commander]

MusicallyInspired, on Oct 21 2010, 01:28 PM, said:

Work on any Duke stuff with that?

Do you mean do I try to recreate Duke or elements of Duke in other engines etc? Then no.

[MusicallyInspired]

Right, 'cause that was his point.

Also, you guys realise that he only released what he did because people were asking for it, right? He initially posted a thread with a couple screenshots of the roof of E1L1 and asked what people thought and if they'd be interested. There was a flood of posts asking for more and a video so that's what he gave them. He didn't just jump in and do this to try and get attention.