[Jimmy]

VinsaneOne, on Oct 21 2010, 12:59 AM, said:

It may seem that way, simply because I'm a bit confused about this 'IP' thing. I thought anything containing the Duke Nukem name, likeness of Duke, the nuke logo etc, would become property of the IP owner. In fact, on 3DR's forums, there is this note at the bottom of every page stating: Ideas and messages posted here become property of Apogee Software Ltd. That tells me they own it regardless of who created it. To add more confusion, if and when this DNNG game is released, who is the rightful owner?
I'm not trying to be a dick, but until you've read that license agreement issued to Fresch, then I'm sorry, it's you who don't know what you're talking about.

No, I'm pretty sure it is YOU who does not know what they are talking about. You bring up an End User Agreement from a forum which is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the ownership of the Duke Nukem IP & this fan made game. That clause is simply put into the EUA so that anyone who sues 3DR for "stealing" user-created content that is posted on their forum has no legal recourse. (Not that they'd steal fan-made shit in the first place.) You lack basic skills that a regular person requires to function. How in the fuck does a forum's EUA have SHIT to do with a Non-Commercial Licensing Agreement?

Let me break it down: Fresch and his team will own the game, Gearbox owns the characters etc., and neither can sell it. You, on the other hand, are an idiot.

[canada4duke]

Captain Awesome, on Oct 21 2010, 09:11 PM, said:

No, I'm pretty sure it is YOU who does not know what they are talking about. You bring up an End User Agreement from a forum which is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the ownership of the Duke Nukem IP & this fan made game. That clause is simply put into the EUA so that anyone who sues 3DR for "stealing" user-created content that is posted on their forum has no legal recourse. (Not that they'd steal fan-made shit in the first place.) You lack basic skills that a regular person requires to function. How in the fuck does a forum's EUA have SHIT to do with a Non-Commercial Licensing Agreement?

Let me break it down: Fresch and his team will own the game, Gearbox owns the characters etc., and neither can sell it. You, on the other hand, are an idiot.

Too bad there is no skill testing questions to gain access to the internet.
Would solve a lot of these issues.

[ReaperMan]

canada4duke, on Oct 22 2010, 02:27 PM, said:

Too bad there is no skill testing questions to gain access to the internet.
Would solve a lot of these issues.

Your just crabby because everyone said your remake would fail, and they where right.

[canada4duke]

ReaperMan, on Oct 22 2010, 01:57 PM, said:

Your just crabby because everyone said your remake would fail, and they where right.

http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/10...-obvious-troll/

[ReaperMan]

canada4duke, on Oct 22 2010, 03:19 PM, said:

http://news.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/10...-obvious-troll/

You can post pictures you know.

[Night Wolf]

I thought this was interesting.
If this project could look something like this level design wise it would be awesome.
http://www.crymod.co...p?postid=310725
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESJD7cUaZTU...player_embedded

[The Commander]

ozz, on Oct 23 2010, 06:56 PM, said:

I thought this was interesting.
If this project could look something like this level design wise it would be awesome.
http://www.crymod.co...p?postid=310725
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESJD7cUaZTU...player_embedded

That just looks terrible compared to the Source one I linked to.

[Night Wolf]

The Commander, on Oct 23 2010, 05:43 PM, said:

That just looks terrible compared to the Source one I linked to.

Your joking right.. the source one looks cartoony, the Crysis map is way more accurate and detailed.

[ReaperMan]

ozz, on Oct 23 2010, 04:10 AM, said:

Your joking right.. the source one looks cartoony, this one is way more accurate.

Nothing wrong with cartoony, besides source is a great game engine.

[Night Wolf]

True, but the design of the source map just doesn't fit into Duke Nukem, architecture seems 1950s...
anyway everyone has there own opinion.

[ReaperMan]

ozz, on Oct 23 2010, 03:24 AM, said:

True, but the design of the source map just doesn't fit into Duke Nukem, architecture seems 1950s...

That really depends on who is making the map

[Night Wolf]

ReaperMan, on Oct 23 2010, 06:31 PM, said:

That really depends on who is making the map

I'm referring to this one
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=bnLZCY4e_L0

[VinsaneOne]

Captain Awesome, on Oct 21 2010, 09:11 PM, said:

No, I'm pretty sure it is YOU who does not know what they are talking about. You bring up an End User Agreement from a forum which is COMPLETELY irrelevant to the ownership of the Duke Nukem IP & this fan made game. That clause is simply put into the EUA so that anyone who sues 3DR for "stealing" user-created content that is posted on their forum has no legal recourse. (Not that they'd steal fan-made shit in the first place.) You lack basic skills that a regular person requires to function. How in the fuck does a forum's EUA have SHIT to do with a Non-Commercial Licensing Agreement?

Let me break it down: Fresch and his team will own the game, Gearbox owns the characters etc., and neither can sell it. You, on the other hand, are an idiot.

Well read this and see that it does happen...

TX, on Aug 14 2010, 06:01 PM, said:

It's a little bit more than that. I submitted enough patches to JFDuke3D to get my name added to the credits screen; the fact that they removed all GPL notices and all visible traces of who actually developed it, barring a misspelling of JonoF's name, is total copyright infringement. And, honestly, I cared less before Broussard pretended to care about resolving it and blew me off.

Now I kind of feel like I personally have an axe to grind. No matter the scale, the simple facts are 3DR took GPL code I wrote, removed the copyright notice from it, removed my name from it, built it into a closed binary, sold it and made money off it, and then dicked me around when I got irritated and wanted to resolve the situation. Fuck that.

If I don't fully understand every little detail about IP's and EUA's, that don't make me an idiot. You should have the mentality to think before you post and try to act like an adult. Then again, you wouldn't have a hair on your tiny balls to call me that to my face, Captain Asshole.

[ReaperMan]

VinsaneOne, on Oct 23 2010, 04:12 AM, said:

Well read this and see that it does happen...

It does happen, but truth be told TX could take legal action and take 3DR to court for that; he just hasn't.

We are also talking about a port of a 15 year old game, not a full blown remake.

[Kathy]

VinsaneOne, on Oct 23 2010, 12:12 PM, said:

Well read this and see that it does happen...

I think it's you who didn't understand. Duke3d source was released under General Public Licence(GPL). Using source code under GPL JonoF(and others) made the game. Then 3dr took what was made by JonoF's team, put it in their game and removed any notices about GPL which was a clear violation of GPL.

Now, this Duke3d remake under UT3 engine has nothing to do with GPL licence cause they don't use Duke3d source code.

[The Commander]

ozz, on Oct 23 2010, 08:41 PM, said:

I'm referring to this one
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=bnLZCY4e_L0

Have you actually tried playing the map?
There is quite a few things in the map that are not shown in the video and IMO it is how a remake of any Duke level should be done.

[Jimmy]

VinsaneOne, on Oct 23 2010, 04:12 AM, said:

Well read this and see that it does happen...


If I don't fully understand every little detail about IP's and EUA's, that don't make me an idiot. You should have the mentality to think before you post and try to act like an adult. Then again, you wouldn't have a hair on your tiny balls to call me that to my face, Captain Asshole.

Goddamn, are you one dumb asshole. I love how you try to prove your point by bringing up things that are IRRELEVANT.

[Night Wolf]

The Commander, on Oct 24 2010, 03:35 AM, said:

Have you actually tried playing the map?
There is quite a few things in the map that are not shown in the video and IMO it is how a remake of any Duke level should be done.

I haven't no, but from the looks of it, it feels like the style of "Classic Doom 3 mod" ... which just didn't feel right.
you can still keep the original level design and just revamp it a bit, but if you go over the top it begins to feel like something completely different imo.

The original duke maps were great it was more the outside desert maps that looked unrealistic, flat faced cliff walls etc.

[The Commander]

If you do have Half Life 2 I would recommend taking a look at the map, even though it's made for MP it's still worth a look at to get what I mean exactly.

[ReaperMan]

Best Duke Nukem 3d map remake ever.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=KzgFp1ZL9Ec

[Jimmy]

I wouldn't call that a remake, it's just a port.

ozz, on Oct 23 2010, 03:33 PM, said:

I haven't no, but from the looks of it, it feels like the style of "Classic Doom 3 mod" ... which just didn't feel right.
you can still keep the original level design and just revamp it a bit, but if you go over the top it begins to feel like something completely different imo.

The original duke maps were great it was more the outside desert maps that looked unrealistic, flat faced cliff walls etc.

I agree, the nature environments are pretty bad. Flood Zone probably has the best nature areas in the whole game.

[Geoffrey]

ReaperMan, on Oct 23 2010, 01:49 PM, said:

Best Duke Nukem 3d map remake ever.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=KzgFp1ZL9Ec

Wow, that fits perfectly with tf2's visual style and gameplay.

[OpenMaw]

Captain Awesome, on Oct 23 2010, 10:25 AM, said:

Goddamn, are you one dumb asshole. I love how you try to prove your point by bringing up things that are IRRELEVANT.

Alright, back off dude. There's no need to act like such a prick about it. VinsaneOne is a cool dude. Hes no asshole, and he hasnt said one unkind thing about you yet.

[Stabs]

Is dukes run speed & jump height, + only using colored cards to advance a level going to meld nicely with the graphics with 2010 though? i think he will need to find exiting ways for advancement in this day in age.

[MusicallyInspired]

Yeah he did, he called him Captain Asshole.

[Mr.Deviance]

Captain Awesome, on Oct 23 2010, 09:25 AM, said:

Goddamn, are you one dumb asshole. I love how you try to prove your point by bringing up things that are IRRELEVANT.

Hey yo Captain Troll, you seriously need to fucking control yourself, and stop acting like a stupid ass kid! Get the hell off VinsaneOne's case, he is the nicest and most mature member on this forum and yet here you are, talking back to him like you are some cool shit or something important for that matter .
I've had enough of your stupid immature ass going against everybody that posts nicely on this forum.
This is the second time I'm pointing out that you're being a troll, attacking nice members here.
Either start posting decent like everybody or get a time out if you can't wait for DNF anymore.
On top of all your shit, you can't even keep a formal respect to a Duke Nukem fan that's old enough to be your father's bigger brother...
You seem to lack any kind of decency or respect, yet you want to be taken seriously here.
At this point, IMO you've become the worst user of this entire forum.
If you're going to act like a dumb ass kid at every post you make and keep trolling everybody, then just leave the forum and go have a seizure under a bridge or something.

[Yatta]

Come on, get off each other's dicks please. I'm in too crappy of a mood to moderate right now.

[Frederik Schreiber]

Hi Everyone..

I see a lot of hate here, and most of the haters really dont know whats going on behind the curtain.
You jump to made up conclusions, because you wanted to "Hate" the product, before even giving it a chance.

We have some extremely talented people on board (e.g, a producer currently behind Killzone 3, is working on the team).
We are currently 30 highly skilled teammembers, working our butts of, to create something awesome.

My past 3 weeks, have been purely management. Going through more than 300+ jobapplications for our team, is a tough job.
Getting everything from Management System, SVN, GDD, LDD, WDD, Documents, Tasks, Milestone management, To-Do lists. etc up and running.

I can understand constructive critisizm - But hate, just for the sake of hating, is childish and immature.
Please have a little respect, for the people who are working extremely hard on this project.
We are doing everything we can to live up the the hype.

Thanks.

[ReaperMan]

fresch, on Oct 23 2010, 09:41 PM, said:

I see a lot of hate here, and most of the haters really dont know whats going on behind the curtain.
You jump to made up conclusions, because you wanted to "Hate" the product, before even giving it a chance.

Same goes for the majority of people on Gearbox who have "blind faith" in this project. They have no proof that it will be good or even ever be finished for that matter and they still say it will be awesome. Yet you seem to have no problem with them.

I'm skeptical about this project that is all. Its better then being one of the pure hate or the pure faith in this project people.

[Jimmy]

Mr.Deviance, on Oct 23 2010, 08:10 PM, said:

Hey yo Captain Troll, you seriously need to fucking control yourself, and stop acting like a stupid ass kid! Get the hell off VinsaneOne's case, he is the nicest and most mature member on this forum and yet here you are, talking back to him like you are some cool shit or something important for that matter .
I've had enough of your stupid immature ass going against everybody that posts nicely on this forum.
This is the second time I'm pointing out that you're being a troll, attacking nice members here.
Either start posting decent like everybody or get a time out if you can't wait for DNF anymore.
On top of all your shit, you can't even keep a formal respect to a Duke Nukem fan that's old enough to be your father's bigger brother...
You seem to lack any kind of decency or respect, yet you want to be taken seriously here.
At this point, IMO you've become the worst user of this entire forum.
If you're going to act like a dumb ass kid at every post you make and keep trolling everybody, then just leave the forum and go have a seizure under a bridge or something.

Oh fuck off, you sound like a woman on her period. Have a tampon.