Mod/TC That You Have To Pay For To Download, Using DukePlus and HRP. Illegal No? "Anyone know who this guy is?"
#1 Posted 25 February 2010 - 06:10 AM
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Dcf2pOkjV3U
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=7BUqoO39Jqc
In none of the videos does it mention about having to buy it, but when you visit the website above you are told you have to pay for it. There is a download button but it brings up a user name password thing.
He left his bank details, I dunno if it can be of any use to actually verify who the real person is.
Wolfgang Kraus
IBAN: DE51 5467 0024 0022 2711 00
BIC(SWIFT-CODE). DEUTDEDB548
This post has been edited by The Commander: 25 February 2010 - 06:42 AM
#2 Posted 25 February 2010 - 06:23 AM
I think that DeeperThought will be pissed. And also all the Duke community should be angry.
#3 Posted 25 February 2010 - 06:50 AM
#4 Posted 25 February 2010 - 07:04 AM
If you look, he is selling his 'TC' (ahem, which uses all the old Duke tiles!!), NOT the HRP.
#5 Posted 25 February 2010 - 07:07 AM
Tea Monster, on Feb 26 2010, 04:04 AM, said:
If you look, he is selling his 'TC' (ahem, which uses all the old Duke tiles!!), NOT the HRP.
It's still using the HRP. Your actually sticking up for it? wtf.
#6 Posted 25 February 2010 - 07:11 AM
The Commander, on Feb 25 2010, 07:07 AM, said:
LOL, no, just pointing out that he is not actually selling the HRP itself, which would be really sucky of him.
If someone out there actually wants to pay him for his level (I'm not going to refer to it as a TC or even a mod), then there is nothing that we can do to him that can make his life any worse than it already is.
#7 Posted 25 February 2010 - 07:23 AM
You can't sell any maps,con code etc The only thing he could possibly sell is the art work (and not in tiles form) and any sounds he may have created, but looking at the videos/pictures he did not make any and it all looks ripped.
#8 Posted 25 February 2010 - 07:40 AM
The Commander, on Feb 25 2010, 07:23 AM, said:
You can't sell any maps,con code etc The only thing he could possibly sell is the art work (and not in tiles form) and any sounds he may have created, but looking at the videos/pictures he did not make any and it all looks ripped.
Of course it's all ripped. Unless he is packaging a copy of the GRP file with his download, he is only selling his map. I'm not really sure if this is illegal or not. I know there were CD's of Duke maps for sale back in the day. I'm not saying that this is a good thing, as if I recall correctly, most of those maps were made by the community and sold without any kind of credit or payment to those who made the maps.
So all in all, unless it is specifically illegal to sell user maps only, there has been much worse stuff that has happened and nobody got prosecuted.
#9 Posted 25 February 2010 - 08:12 AM
Tea Monster, on Feb 25 2010, 07:40 AM, said:
So all in all, unless it is specifically illegal to sell user maps only, there has been much worse stuff that has happened and nobody got prosecuted.
Yeah, those are pretty much my thoughts as well. He provides a separate link to the HRP (which comes with Duke Plus), so even if he's including them I would not construe his actions as selling them. AFAIK someone can sell something and include a freely distributable item (such as the HRP) along with it as a bonus. Of course, he is obligated to include the license documentation with it. I think he's probably including a copy of DUKE3D.GRP, though, and that would obviously be illegal.
As far as selling maps, I don't know whether that's legal. Maybe it isn't, BUT -- I did a little research on the GNU license a few years ago for a class I was teaching, and the originator of that license makes clear that you can sell the physical medium on which GNU material is distributed. For example, you are allowed to charge $10 for a disk that contains GNU licensed stuff, because you are charging for the disk and not what is on it. Along the same line, he could claim that he is charging for the cost of the download (his bandwidth) and it's not clear that he would be in the wrong (again, assuming that he includes the GNU documentation and not the DUKE3D.GRP).
Don't get me wrong, he is a shady character and I don't approve of what he's doing...but we don't have proof that any laws are being broken.
#10 Posted 25 February 2010 - 09:29 AM
#11 Posted 25 February 2010 - 09:46 AM
This post has been edited by Mikko_Sandt: 25 February 2010 - 09:46 AM
#12 Posted 25 February 2010 - 10:32 AM
#13 Posted 25 February 2010 - 12:22 PM
James, on Feb 25 2010, 01:32 PM, said:
Except for thoes who don't know any better. Thousands of new people log on to the Internet for the first time every day. They be the suckers.
#14 Posted 25 February 2010 - 12:41 PM
VinsaneOne, on Feb 25 2010, 08:22 PM, said:
This is Duke Nukem 3D we're talking about, a relatively obscure by today's standards game. Thousands of people are not going to hand over money for that mod. I doubt even 1 person will.
#15 Posted 25 February 2010 - 01:14 PM
#16 Posted 25 February 2010 - 01:32 PM
I fail to see the downside.
#17 Posted 25 February 2010 - 01:57 PM
I'm half tempted to try and obtain¹ the .zip file to see what it is like and see wether it's legal, but I very much doubt anybody will go paying for it, not even idiots or newbies, considering that almost anything you type into google involving Duke Nukem returns a Duke4.net result or DNR.
One thing though... He doesn't say that you need DukePlus, yet it would appear the TC is using it.
¹If you don't know why that is in italics, you were probably silly enough to pay for that "TC"
#18 Posted 25 February 2010 - 02:04 PM
#19 Posted 25 February 2010 - 02:52 PM
eddym4814, on Feb 26 2010, 01:04 AM, said:
How nice.
A bunch of assholes making an appearance in this topic.
#20 Posted 25 February 2010 - 03:06 PM
Mikko_Sandt, on Feb 25 2010, 02:52 PM, said:
A bunch of assholes making an appearance in this topic.
He's an asshole because he pointed out the fact that if someone made the maps available for free (like all other Duke user maps in existence) then it would undermine the attempt at selling them?
It seems like you are trying to start a fight and position yourself as the glorious defender of capitalism, but neither you nor anyone else here is in possession of all the relevant facts -- most importantly, we don't know what the guy is selling. And I doubt anyone is going to pay to find out.
This post has been edited by DeeperThought: 25 February 2010 - 03:10 PM
#21 Posted 25 February 2010 - 03:22 PM
DeeperThought, on Feb 26 2010, 02:06 AM, said:
He didn't point it out; he suggested it, hence his post.
The moral behind the "community view" seems to be a desire to destroy someone's work.
#22 Posted 25 February 2010 - 03:53 PM
This post has been edited by James: 25 February 2010 - 03:54 PM
#23 Posted 25 February 2010 - 03:58 PM
#24 Posted 25 February 2010 - 04:11 PM
Mikko_Sandt, on Feb 25 2010, 04:32 PM, said:
I fail to see the downside.
But there's an upside....I'm not worried, nor do I even care. Throwing in my 2 cents don't indicate either.
#25 Posted 25 February 2010 - 04:20 PM
#26 Posted 25 February 2010 - 04:33 PM
Gambini, on Feb 26 2010, 01:20 AM, said:
fixed
#28 Posted 25 February 2010 - 06:27 PM
eddym4814, on Feb 26 2010, 01:58 AM, said:
My statement was normative; you cannot refute it with a positive argument. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.
#29 Posted 25 February 2010 - 07:01 PM
Mikko_Sandt, on Feb 25 2010, 09:27 PM, said:
Any means of having a civil discussion in this thread has just burst into flame.
This post has been edited by The Mighty Bison: 25 February 2010 - 07:02 PM
#30 Posted 25 February 2010 - 07:02 PM
Mikko_Sandt, on Feb 25 2010, 09:27 PM, said:
Okay, Mikko I don't want to fight with you. Let's drop it. I just don't like being called an asshole and I don't think you do either.