[Lunick]

3rd screenshot has tripmines in inventory....
Also in the 3rd screenshot the ammo amounts seem bizarre or is just blurry.
It's also worth noting that Quirk of Fate does have enemies in it for multiplayer too I think.
Last screenshot seems gorier?

[Fox]

Lunick, on 27 March 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

3rd screenshot has tripmines in inventory....

It has always been like that in the PSX.

[Lunick]

Fox, on 27 March 2013 - 09:19 PM, said:

It has always been like that in the PSX.

I guess I never picked any up or used them :|

[Jimmy]

If I remember correctly, Total Meltdown's death animations have always been gorier than the PC's.

[Lunick]

JoJo the Idiot Circus Boy, on 27 March 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

If I remember correctly, Total Meltdown's death animations have always been gorier than the PC's.

I never really noticed but you're right

[Mike Norvak]

Is just me, or in the trailer from JP3D we can heard in the background one of the sounds of the Overlord?

Did they use The T-rex to make that sound back in 1996? Or they used the overlord on this trailer [kind of kidding] ?

http://youtu.be/2jH9iAHSKds?t=1m23s

[Jimmy]

All of Duke's sounds were harvested from sound libraries. You'll hear the Battle Lord roar in a lot of movies.

[Gambini]

Yeah like The Duel, a movie from about 1970, when the truck is falling of the cliff you can hear a battlelord roaming. Really cool!

[Kathy]

Somehow I couldn't find a spoiler warning.

[Fox]

Norvak, on 28 March 2013 - 07:27 AM, said:

Is just me, or in the trailer from JP3D we can heard in the background one of the sounds of the Overlord?

Did they use The T-rex to make that sound back in 1996? Or they used the overlord on this trailer [kind of kidding] ?

http://youtu.be/2jH9iAHSKds?t=1m23s

By the way, that's one of the Cycloid Emperor sound, not Overlord.

[OpenMaw]

In terms of the sound library the originate from, they're all the same set.

The set being of course, Jurassic Park's T-rex. That "ORRUGHHH" grunt noise is actually in the film. (Not in that shot from the trailer, obviously.)

[Fox]

I just realized that in the 1.3d DOS version that big grey font works like the lower-case for the red menu font.

[Mikko Pekkola]

Check out this one, everyone

[TerminX]

That's neat. In nearly every area you can see where they've removed sectors, sprites and other details in order to hit the target of 30 fps on a 486.

[OpenMaw]

That's an awesome comparison. Looks like quite a few of those other beta images were from E2 areas then. (Some very clearly cut from the game or entirely reworked.)

[Jimmy]

As I understand it, Lunar Apocalypse generally has the oldest levels of the game. Levelord's are all among the newest. The oldest map that made it into the game, I think, is a very early version of what would become Derelict from LameDuke.

[High Treason]

If memory serves correctly, there is a section of Overlord (The bit with the waterfalls) in LameDuke that is Map Format 4 and must be converted before LameDuke will run it, possibly making that the oldest map in the game.

Could be entirely wrong, I will edit this post when I have tested, unless someone beats me to it.

[TerminX]

Nope, you're correct. I remember seeing that myself many years ago. I turned it into a crappy DM map in one of my Duke 1.5 mods in the 90's.

[Jimmy]

I never noticed that. Good find.

[Mikko Pekkola]

I did that screenshot comparison myself

[Mikko]

Interestingly they removed those forcefield textures from the first outdoor segments of the map but kept them in the rest, most notably the huge outdoor area. Obviously they put those there originally to compensate for removing the spacesuit (artificial atmosphere). But now there's no consistency.

[Mikko Pekkola]

"Inv" and "Keys" in 2 screenshots with Shrinker are in different order

In beta shot: "Keys/Inv"

In final shot: "Inv/Keys"

[Fox]

Mikko_Sandt, on 07 April 2013 - 03:46 AM, said:

Obviously they put those there originally to compensate for removing the spacesuit (artificial atmosphere). But now there's no consistency.

These screenshots looks much older than the one with the space suit in use. Not really sure if they even had something like that planned, wasn't the player some sort of cyborg in Lameduke?

Mikko Pekkola, on 07 April 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:

"Inv" and "Keys" in 2 screenshots with Shrinker are in different order

In beta shot: "Keys/Inv"

In final shot: "Inv/Keys"

They probably tried to make it different from Doom in the final version.

[Daedolon]

Mikko Pekkola, on 06 April 2013 - 04:52 AM, said:

Check out this one, everyone

Well. That just makes me sad.

Fox, on 07 April 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

They probably tried to make it different from Doom in the final version.

It also makes more sense since players (at least myself) are likely to look at the inventory items more than the keys, so placing them closer to your health/center of the screen makes sense.

[MrFlibble]

Daedolon, on 09 April 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Well. That just makes me sad.

You mean that the levels have become less detailed in the final release?

[Hendricks266]

While looking into this, I discovered something to add to my Duke 3D beta page concerning the tally mark tiles that were overwritten in later versions.

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I discovered some disabled code in the Duke 3D source code release (GAME.C, line 1437) that would take a number value and draw the necessary tally marks to the screen. For example, to display the number 12:



Unfortunately, there is no trace of any applications this may have had.

[Fox]

Interesting. I always tought it would be used as decoration in the prison walls.

===//===//===

Interesting that the Pig Cop already has some blood in the BETA sprites. However it's in clean in some earlier version:

[Jimmy]

Maybe the tally marks were going to be used for multiplayer?? Only other thought is like Fox said, in the prison. Also, Fox, there is no blood in the actual sprite. That's the blood squib actor. Go in game and shoot a Pigcop, you'll see what I'm talking about.

[Daedolon]

He said it's clean in that version, thus the ":".

[Jimmy]

I read way too fast. Foot in mouth. Cheers.