[Aristotle Gumball]

Almost in South Richmond. Antifa pays for my flights if it's for a hitjob.

[Jimmy]

Sounds good. I'm sure you're aware this is a Stand Your Ground/Castle Doctrine state.

[Forge]

 Forge, on 08 July 2020 - 07:58 AM, said:

(certain exceptions like legit handicapped)

 Striker, on 09 July 2020 - 11:02 AM, said:

I strongly disagree. That'd effectively make the disabled,

getting triggered on a scale of 1 to 10: 11/10
reading comprehension skills 1/10

no surprise there was no defending or standing up for non-profit churches though


expectations met and exceeded

[Danukem]

So if the other place is Doucheworld, is this Douche4.net?

[NNC]

 Trooper Dan, on 09 July 2020 - 12:39 PM, said:

So if the other place is Doucheworld, is this Douche4.net?

Yes, we know it and are proud of it. At least we don't pretend to be something else.

[Aristotle Gumball]

 The Watchtower, on 09 July 2020 - 12:50 PM, said:

Yes, we know it and are proud of it. At least we don't pretend to be something else.

You are so brave.

[Radar]

Doomworld is a perfect case study in Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria.

[Striker]

 Forge, on 09 July 2020 - 12:11 PM, said:

getting triggered on a scale of 1 to 10: 11/10
reading comprehension skills 1/10

no surprise there was no defending or standing up for non-profit churches though


expectations met and exceeded

Looks like the reading comprehension skills of your condescending ass don't fare much better as you clearly missed my point. Also, if the conversation had anything to do with churches I would have mentioned it. It's irrelevant. Take that straw man and shove it so far up your ass that you begin to choke on it. Geez, bad-faith BS, I shouldn't have expected anything but.

Missing some disclaimer text in brackets is easy enough to do, I'm only human. A simple mistake. Still, that said, I still disagree despite this. Every citizen should have the right to vote, plain and simple. Disabled, women, minorities, people with jobs, and people without them. It's not a true democracy if that right is infringed.

And since you apparently want me to make comment on it: No establishment in and of itself (churches, corporations, businesses) should be able to vote because they aren't people, but, the people within them should be allowed to vote and should be treated and weighed the same as anyone else.

[Ninety-Six]

 Striker, on 09 July 2020 - 01:21 PM, said:

It's not a true democracy if that right is infringed.

For sake of pedantry we're technically a republic, not a democracy, but I still agree it's important to to get everyone's voices in there.

[Striker]

 Ninety-Six, on 09 July 2020 - 01:58 PM, said:

For sake of pedantry we're technically a republic, not a democracy, but I still agree it's important to to get everyone's voices in there.

Yeah, sorry. I'm not always best with the terminology, but at least you get what I'm saying, thanks.

[Danukem]

Since we are hopelessly off topic anyway and no one seems to give a shit, even after I split the thread a while back...

When I was a sophomore in high school about a million years ago, I was in a civics class. I raised a point with my teacher. Paraphrasing what I said back then: "What if voters had to pass some kind of competency test to show that they understood the basics of how the government works and some basic facts about the constitution? Voting is a powerful tool that can hurt people and if we have to get a driver's license before driving because it's dangerous so it makes sense that we should have to show some competence before voting." His response was: some places did try that but it was abused by racists to prevent black people from voting, so it was abolished. So I came back with, "OK, but couldn't we do it in a non-racist way?" And his response was: No, we lost the right to put up any kind of barriers like that to voting, because of racists. I was not happy with that answer.

[Jimmy]

My favourite thing about this forum is how mods are obsessed with staying on topic but death threats are okay. LOL

[Aristotle Gumball]

 Trooper Dan, on 09 July 2020 - 02:46 PM, said:

"What if voters had to pass some kind of competency test to show that they understood the basics of how the government works and some basic facts about the constitution?

You'd end up with a noticeable % of certain groups failing the test due to "various reasons" and that would again be blamed on racism. I think it's a good option for homogeneous societies however.

[Radar]

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When I was a sophomore in high school about a million years ago, I was in a civics class. I raised a point with my teacher. Paraphrasing what I said back then: "What if voters had to pass some kind of competency test to show that they understood the basics of how the government works and some basic facts about the constitution? Voting is a powerful tool that can hurt people and if we have to get a driver's license before driving because it's dangerous so it makes sense that we should have to show some competence before voting." His response was: some places did try that but it was abused by racists to prevent black people from voting, so it was abolished. So I came back with, "OK, but couldn't we do it in a non-racist way?" And his response was: No, we lost the right to put up any kind of barriers like that to voting, because of racists. I was not happy with that answer.

Yeah it is quite a bullsh!t answer, as if the effort to filter a knowledgeable voterbase was purposely self-sabatoged.

Either way I do believe everyone should have the right to vote. But I also believe some people should be honest with themselves and elect to stay home.

[Ninety-Six]

 Trooper Dan, on 09 July 2020 - 02:46 PM, said:

Since we are hopelessly off topic anyway and no one seems to give a shit, even after I split the thread a while back...

When I was a sophomore in high school about a million years ago, I was in a civics class. I raised a point with my teacher. Paraphrasing what I said back then: "What if voters had to pass some kind of competency test to show that they understood the basics of how the government works and some basic facts about the constitution? Voting is a powerful tool that can hurt people and if we have to get a driver's license before driving because it's dangerous so it makes sense that we should have to show some competence before voting." His response was: some places did try that but it was abused by racists to prevent black people from voting, so it was abolished. So I came back with, "OK, but couldn't we do it in a non-racist way?" And his response was: No, we lost the right to put up any kind of barriers like that to voting, because of racists. I was not happy with that answer.

To be honest, I think racist or not, there's really no way to implement such a system without also granting somebody the ability to abuse it if they so choose. While I understand the sentiment behind your question and the frustration from the non-answer, the system suggested requires that boundaries be set about what is and is not "knowledgeable" about the government. Which would be fine on its own if that mere notion couldn't be twisted in any way that whatever political party in charge could want.

 R A D A Я, on 09 July 2020 - 02:59 PM, said:

But I also believe some people should be honest with themselves and elect to stay home.

This I am in support of. But people being self-reflective doesn't tend to happen very often.

[Striker]

 Ninety-Six, on 09 July 2020 - 03:15 PM, said:

To be honest, I think racist or not, there's really no way to implement such a system without also granting somebody the ability to abuse it if they so choose. While I understand the sentiment behind your question and the frustration from the non-answer, the system suggested requires that boundaries be set about what is and is not "knowledgeable" about the government. Which would be fine on its own if that mere notion couldn't be twisted in any way that whatever political party in charge could want.

This is exactly it.

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My favourite thing about this forum is how mods are obsessed with staying on topic but death threats are okay. LOL

If I were a mod I wouldn't tolerate either. Derailing threads is a massive detriment to the whole forum experience and should be taken care of, but death threats are even worse.

However, if I were a mod, threads like this would also be completely dead and buried (because it's obvious nothing good comes of it), and a lot of other threads would be split and splintered so hard they'd look like a 200 year old oak tree blown down in a hurricane (because there's so many threads with unhelpful bickering and bullshit that isn't needed). Guess that's why I'm not one.

[Jimmy]

Yeah this website sucks enough. That sounds terrible.

[Striker]

Yeah, keeping things relevant to Duke Nukem, build, mapping/modding, and gaming, and not politics and pointless bickering sure sounds like a shitty time.

[Jimmy]

Lmao. Who is forcing you to read and respond to threads in the General Discussion area? You sound like a control freak, mate. Let people live their lives and you can live yours.

[Forge]

 Striker, on 09 July 2020 - 01:21 PM, said:

the people within them should be allowed to vote and should be treated and weighed the same as anyone else.

well then good news
there are numerous church cemeteries where the current residents got to vote

[Striker]

 jimmy is a stupid fuck, on 09 July 2020 - 04:01 PM, said:

Lmao. Who is forcing you to read and respond to threads in the General Discussion area? You sound like a control freak, mate. Let people live their lives and you can live yours.

Nothing is forcing me, but you know damn well that the kind of shit I'm talking about is not exactly well contained to General Discussion, or even the Outhouse most of the time. And even then, General Discussion constantly being a cesspit to avoid isn't exactly healthy either.

[Jimmy]

Who are you to decide what is "healthy?" What does that even mean?

[Fox]

 Trooper Dan, on 09 July 2020 - 02:46 PM, said:

When I was a sophomore in high school about a million years ago, I was in a civics class. I raised a point with my teacher. Paraphrasing what I said back then: "What if voters had to pass some kind of competency test to show that they understood the basics of how the government works and some basic facts about the constitution? Voting is a powerful tool that can hurt people and if we have to get a driver's license before driving because it's dangerous so it makes sense that we should have to show some competence before voting." His response was: some places did try that but it was abused by racists to prevent black people from voting, so it was abolished. So I came back with, "OK, but couldn't we do it in a non-racist way?" And his response was: No, we lost the right to put up any kind of barriers like that to voting, because of racists. I was not happy with that answer.

Looks like your teacher was implying that blacks would not be capable of passing a competence test no matter what.

Voting is about representation. If you only allowed the more competent to vote, they would pick candidates that favor their group above others.

[Danukem]

 Striker, on 09 July 2020 - 04:28 PM, said:

Nothing is forcing me, but you know damn well that the kind of shit I'm talking about is not exactly well contained to General Discussion, or even the Outhouse most of the time.

It should be well contained, though. If it's not, then that's a failure of moderation. I personally would remove such posts if they are brought to my attention (assuming they are actually out of line). It's not always clear-cut, though. Let's say there's a thread in gaming discussion about Last of Us Part 2, and it turns to the political discussion surrounding the game, and people express politically incorrect opinions about it. Is that automatically grounds for the posts being removed? I don't think so.

______________________

Also, the specter of death threats was brought up, and I don't think that should be ignored.
Death threats are NOT okay. But when, for example, thricecursed is talking about being hired by antifa to be flown overseas etc., that seems like an obvious joke, especially in the context of other posts. (If he says it's not, then he is asking to be banned). If someone really feels threatened, that is something to be taken seriously, and it should be reported, even if others did not interpret it as a threat.

In a forum where users are allowed tremendous freedom and often enjoy edgy posturing, it's not always clear what would constitute a "death threat". But, if anyone thinks they are actually being threatened, report it and we will take appropriate action.

[Forge]

 Fox, on 09 July 2020 - 04:44 PM, said:

If you only allowed the more competent to vote, they would pick candidates that favor their group above others.

if you allowed parasites to vote, they would vote for the free blood of the competent so that they may continue to feed with zero effort and zero contribution to survival. Eventually the host will succumb to anemia and collapse.

[Danukem]

"“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.”
John Adams, 1814

[NNC]

 Trooper Dan, on 09 July 2020 - 02:46 PM, said:

Since we are hopelessly off topic anyway and no one seems to give a shit, even after I split the thread a while back...

When I was a sophomore in high school about a million years ago, I was in a civics class. I raised a point with my teacher. Paraphrasing what I said back then: "What if voters had to pass some kind of competency test to show that they understood the basics of how the government works and some basic facts about the constitution? Voting is a powerful tool that can hurt people and if we have to get a driver's license before driving because it's dangerous so it makes sense that we should have to show some competence before voting." His response was: some places did try that but it was abused by racists to prevent black people from voting, so it was abolished. So I came back with, "OK, but couldn't we do it in a non-racist way?" And his response was: No, we lost the right to put up any kind of barriers like that to voting, because of racists. I was not happy with that answer.

Everyone should have the right to vote. That's a given. But educated people or those uneducated ones who can pass the test deserve a double or at least a weighted vote in comparison. Also people who payed their taxes deserve another weighted vote. Educated taxpayers should be the most relevant people in voting. Everyone is happy.

[Aristotle Gumball]

 Forge, on 09 July 2020 - 06:49 PM, said:

if you allowed parasites to vote, they would vote for the free blood of the competent so that they may continue to feed with zero effort and zero contribution to survival. Eventually the host will succumb to anemia and collapse.

Throw in something about "proboscis" and you'd have a Wieder post.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

 The Watchtower, on 09 July 2020 - 11:22 PM, said:

Everyone should have the right to vote. That's a given. But educated people or those uneducated ones who can pass the test deserve a double or at least a weighted vote in comparison. Also people who payed their taxes deserve another weighted vote. Educated taxpayers should be the most relevant people in voting. Everyone is happy.

As far as I see it,
Everyone should be able to vote.

And stating that an educated person's opinion is more valid than an uneducated persons.

Is some bourgeoisie bullshit.

There shall be no taxation without representation is something I 100% agree with. If you don't pay your taxes in any form, that is don't pay a sales tax to buy your favorite vibrator at a store, or don't pay your state or federal income tax, you do not have the right to vote.

However if you bought a dollar pair of glasses and paid the extra 8 cents of sales tax, and that's the only tax you paid the whole year, you have the right to vote.

You probably paid more than most corporations.

 Forge, on 09 July 2020 - 06:49 PM, said:

if you allowed parasites to vote, they would vote for the free blood of the competent so that they may continue to feed with zero effort and zero contribution to survival. Eventually the host will succumb to anemia and collapse.

We're all fucking parasites.

I'd like to see the u.s. economy thrive without outsourcing the majority of its labor to countries that allow forms of labor that are extremely illegal in our own and import raw materials from countries that exploit slavery or very close to it, and in some cases support terrorism.

Our success as a country relies on us being parasites on developing or non humanitarian authoritarian nations.

Without the exploitation of such, our economy would not be what it is.

So should the majority of us that perpetuate this kind of economy not be allowed to vote?

[Forge]

 Balls Of Steel Forever, on 10 July 2020 - 03:22 AM, said:

However if you bought a dollar pair of glasses and paid the extra 8 cents of sales tax, and that's the only tax you paid the whole year, you have the right to vote.

as long as they bought it with money they earned & not from a government handout

 Balls Of Steel Forever, on 10 July 2020 - 03:22 AM, said:

We're all fucking parasites.
So should the majority of us that perpetuate this kind of economy not be allowed to vote?

apples and oranges
we're parasites on a mother or test tube for the first several months of our life
we're parasites on plants for sustenance and the air we breath
etc
etc
the government shouldn't be in the business of managing trade, it should be a free market, but using that computer made with parts assembled by a 10 year little girl in china is more on china than you.
"Apple exploits child labor, oh noes, down with the u.s. government!!!"
Last time I looked the orange man lowered corporate taxes to bring manufacturing back to the u.s. & told companies to get out of china. A significant portion of the purplehaired voting base raged that he was overstepping his authority.

as a side note, sales tax ≠ property tax

legit handicapped people that aren't capable of self-support shouldn't be excluded from a vote. Neither should leaders of non-profit organizations or church leaders that actually provide legit charitable services like food banks and soup kitchens.
There are other exceptions, but fully capable people that choose to be a burden deserve no say.

Signing up for selective service is supposed to be mandatory anyway. Extending that requirement to women and 'other' should not be that big of an issue.
Felons lose their voting privilege because of the choices they made, same should apply to those that chose to be 'draft dodging' parasites.