[Aristotle Gumball]

Dictatorships and political instability are natural in countries where the average IQ is sub-90. Power attracts the corrupt, but they have to try harder to deceive people in Western countries.

BTW, this is one of the stances that alienated me from my left wing friends. The belief in biological differences between populations, genders, etc. The belief in scientific fact in general, I guess. As sad as it is to admit. I hate neo-Marxism. You could argue that in Marx' heyday, we simply made up with opinions what we lacked in scientific knowledge, and that in time we would naturally augment theory with empirical data, but instead, old-school Marxism more or less died and critical theory took over. Where me and the right disagree is in how much of that development was purposely devised in order to bring down the West. Bezmenov's predictions are convenient, but correlation =/= causation.

Still - I am completely opposed to SJW style rhetoric and activism.

[Fox]

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 22 June 2020 - 10:46 PM, said:

I'd rather have a ruler transparent with his evil, then one that hides almost all of it.

Dictatorships are anything but transparent, and hide everything they do.

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 22 June 2020 - 10:46 PM, said:

Our democracy has no visible leadership.

It does. It doesn't have a scapegoat do blame everything for.

[Forge]

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 22 June 2020 - 10:46 PM, said:

the best way to crush political dissent has historically been to kill or imprison all of them.
It's deaths to prevent civil war, and to ease the leaders paranoia.

so Hitler was right?

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 22 June 2020 - 10:46 PM, said:

Under a dictatorship you know and understand the harm that could come to you and your family if you dissent from the leadership.

You can band together and try to usurp such a leader if need be, full well knowing the fate that you face.

the first thing most fledgling dictators do is remove the ability of the serfs to defend themselves

the second thing they usually do is kill all the religious people and dissenting free thinkers


the majority of the 20th century's most murderous governments were communist, socialist, or dictatorships. Mix in a few monarchies for flavor.

there is no such unicorn as a benevolent leader. they are only benevolent to the people who agree with them. Ask the Armenians if you're unsure.

[Hank]

[rant]
There is no democracy, except in lecture halls at the higher learning centers.
Sure, you can vote, but in the end, those that financed the winning politician dictates what is to be done. It’s only about keeping the rich and powerful rich and powerful.

Just one sample: Do you have a say how much taxes are going to be extorted out of your bank account? Perhaps you do. I do not. The US debt has increased substantially in the last few month, in the name of the Covid-19 Con. Did you vote for this? I did not. Ah, I see, it is done for the benefit of the poor, and the rich won’t get a dime. Or is it the other way around?
[/rant]

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Fox, on 23 June 2020 - 04:23 AM, said:

Dictatorships are anything but transparent, and hide everything they do.

They're more transparent than a democracy.

Under what special circumstances did we have to learn about the Phoenix program, MK ultra, My Lai massacre and the Patriot act, the my Lai massacre there was only one person convicted for the murders he got 3 and a half years of house arrest.

The Phoenix program which included these forms of torture.
"Rape, gang rape, rape using eels, snakes, or hard objects, and rape followed by murder; electric shock ('the Bell Telephone Hour') rendered by attaching wires to the genitals or other sensitive parts of the body, like the tongue; the 'water treatment'; the 'airplane' in which the prisoner's arms were tied behind the back, and the rope looped over a hook on the ceiling, suspending the prisoner in midair, after which he or she was beaten; beatings with rubber hoses and whips; the use of police dogs to maul prisoners."
Had no negative repercussions for anyone associated with the program, in fact after the public found out about it, it was just continued under a different name.

Stating that our countries attempts at tucking away of negative foreign and domestic policy is any different from that of a dictatorship, is false information.

Yes, there is a very significant amount less repercussions at exposing such subjects, but saying that a dictatorship is less transparent is misinformed.

Forge, on 23 June 2020 - 06:27 AM, said:

so Hitler was right?


the first thing most fledgling dictators do is remove the ability of the serfs to defend themselves

the second thing they usually do is kill all the religious people and dissenting free thinkers


the majority of the 20th century's most murderous governments were communist, socialist, or dictatorships. Mix in a few monarchies for flavor.

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 22 June 2020 - 10:46 PM, said:

That does not at all justify his actions

I'm pretty sure the Bolsheviks and other domestic terrorist organizations are fairly effective under such restrictions.

Forge, on 23 June 2020 - 06:27 AM, said:

there is no such unicorn as a benevolent leader. they are only benevolent to the people who agree with them. Ask the Armenians if you're unsure.

There is no such thing as good democracy, we feed off, are reliant upon, and support the evil that we are very much against.

It's no different then, from being such evil.

Fox, on 23 June 2020 - 04:23 AM, said:

It does. It doesn't have a scapegoat do blame everything for.

The corruption is systemic in our country it's a disease, the leaders of such corruption are invisible.

In a dictatorship there's not 100s of lobbies and special interests vying for control, there's very few.

The invisible government is more clearly seen.

[Aristotle Gumball]

I agree with you Balls re: transparency. My parents grew up in the Soviet Union. Everyone knew it was shit and knew who to blame. Stalin was the main man (well, in my grandmother's time at least, later it was some other assholes). In the West, people tend to think they are free, or if they don't, they turn to paranoia and blame one group or another, but never really know who is pulling the strings, or if there even is anybody. Perpetual paranoia. In a dictatorship, at least the paranoia has a clear face.

Again though, it's not really about one system vs another for me. I really think it's simply intelligence. We're smart enough to fight for our freedoms and keep our governments in check, more or less, so what inevitably happens is that the puppeteers skulk in shadows and never show themselves. Democracy is like a fucked up gentleman's agreement where both parties agree on some rules, while secretly trying to undermine them at every turn. It's always been a cat and mouse game between the rulers and the ruled over. In the West it's simply gotten more advanced.

BTW, people might bring up the Asian countries and why they lean towards dictatorships despite their high avg IQ's, and this is where I further alienate every left winger: There are actual studies showing that the majority of East Asians have a gene that predisposes them to prefer collectivism. The differences don't end there.

IMO sociological discussions are useless if we don't take into account biology.

[Danukem]

I've never understood the need to posit a group of hidden, scheming illuminati. Why can't the known actors who are (more or less) in plain sight, doing the things we know they are doing, combine to produce the results we see?

[Aristotle Gumball]

Trooper Dan, on 23 June 2020 - 01:06 PM, said:

I've never understood the need to posit a group of hidden, scheming illuminati. Why can't the known actors who are (more or less) in plain sight, doing the things we know they are doing, combine to produce the results we see?

I think each economic region has their own "little" Illuminati. For example, there has been a lot of talk about the EU being run like the Soviet Union and until I saw what happened during the Syriza experiment in Greece, I didn't believe it, but their former finance minister Yanis Varoufakis runs a blog where he talked about these Eurogroup meetings that are technically known and the decisions made public, when in reality, the German finance minister along with the IMF and a few other banks, makes every decision for every country, and all those present (elected officials of EU countries) just nod and accept without question, even when they should have obvious objections. When Varoufakis disagreed with some decision, they'd plant stories in the media about how he was being "difficult", right down to ad hominem attacks. He has audio recordings of the proceedings and I hope he will release them one day. A favorite quote of mine from the German FM: "elections can not be allowed to change policy".

In the end, Syriza fell because members of the cabinet were receiving untraceable phone calls threatening family members with highly specific information about movements and locations, etc.

This is how shit is run in Europe sadly. And almost nobody cares. I do like Americans for one thing: you're very angry people and you have the guns to back it up. Anger and the possibility of immediate violent reprisal can also make you stupid, though. When all you have is words, you tend to consider your actions more carefully.

[Forge]

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 23 June 2020 - 12:25 PM, said:

They're more transparent than a democracy.

Tito agrees with this message.
That's why they're still finding hidden mass graves and killing fields in former Yugoslavia to this day.

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 23 June 2020 - 12:25 PM, said:

There is no such thing as good democracy,

completely ignores that every government that had mass killings and murders during the 20th century was some form of dictatorship so they can justify strawmanning a republic's inner atrocities that pale in comparison.

all atrocities are fucking shit, but comparing a few hundred murders to tens of thousands, or tens of millions is a bit ridiculous.

[Forge]

thricecursed, on 23 June 2020 - 01:45 PM, said:

This is how shit is run in Europe sadly.

the federal reserve runs the united states.


for those that aren't aware of the obvious, the federal reserve is not owned by the u.s. federal government

that's one reason why i hope they disband the police.
i'm curious as to whom would show up on my doorstep if I decided i'm no longer going to pay interest on my mortgage?

[Aristotle Gumball]

Yeah, I became aware of that back when the second Zeitgeist movie came out.

[Kyanos]

Forge, on 23 June 2020 - 02:18 PM, said:

the federal reserve runs the united states.


for those that aren't aware of the obvious, the federal reserve is not owned by the u.s. federal government

that's one reason why i hope they disband the police.
i'm curious as to whom would show up on my doorstep if I decided i'm no longer going to pay interest on my mortgage?

They will be defunding your locally elected police and reorganizing some of their civil duties. Specifically mental health calls will be answered by "trained professionals" from the nearest psyche ward.

[Hank]

[rant]
https://twitter.com/...409656488382465
Trump – dude – shut the fuck up! Twitter is actually correct in banning your moronic posts, threatening peeps who are technically out of your direct jurisdictions of power!
Do not threaten, just do. Go and get a lawyer if this is ain’t not fucking clear.
Oh, yes, forgot, you ain’t not on duke4, well you should, you may learn a little here.
[/rant]

[Radar]

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 22 June 2020 - 02:23 PM, said:

I never claimed god didn't exist, I just claimed he was insane.

God may or may not be insane. He may or may not be good and just. All I'm saying is that an evil world doesn't contradict the existence of a good and just God.

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 22 June 2020 - 02:23 PM, said:

Saying the mass genocide of several races was performed by a just god, and not a sadistic maniac, is just misinformed.

You literally advocated for omnicide 2 seconds ago.

Mark, on 22 June 2020 - 03:16 PM, said:

In 4th thru 7th grade I had to attend a religious class twice a week at our local Catholic church. During a discussion about how God knows everything past, present and future, I made the mistake of asking something like " If God knew ahead of time that millions of people were destined for Hell because of turning away from him, why was he so cruel to let them be born?" The teacher contacted my parents and things didn't go well when I got back home that evening.

Out of all the things that never happened...

Fox, on 22 June 2020 - 07:16 PM, said:

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

— Nietzsche, The Gay Science, Section 125

... ok? I'm well aware of the full quote. If you want a commentary: God represents divine objective morality. "Must we ourselves not become gods" means human subjective morality now reigns. This philosophy resulted in the most murderous century in history. That's why Nietzsche calls humanity the "murderer of all murderers".

Fox, on 22 June 2020 - 07:16 PM, said:

There is no objective morality.

Objective morality may or may not exist. But it cannot exist without God.

[Fox]

Who is God to say what is moral and what isn't?

[Forge]

Hank, on 23 June 2020 - 02:38 PM, said:

https://twitter.com/...409656488382465

[Hank]

Forge, on 23 June 2020 - 02:58 PM, said:

OK. I'll stop

[Radar]

Fox, on 23 June 2020 - 02:54 PM, said:

Who is God to say what is moral and what isn't?

Cringe. God is the ultimate authority.

[Morpheus Kitami]

Forge, on 23 June 2020 - 02:18 PM, said:

the federal reserve runs the united states.


for those that aren't aware of the obvious, the federal reserve is not owned by the u.s. federal government

That reminds me. Jon Schaffer of Iced Earth, around ten years ago, basically said this in a little sideproject he had, among other things, and just got shit on endlessly. Never thought much about it at the time, but its very interesting now.

[Balls of Steel Forever]

Forge, on 23 June 2020 - 02:08 PM, said:

Tito agrees with this message.
That's why they're still finding hidden mass graves and killing fields in former Yugoslavia to this day.



completely ignores that every government that had mass killings and murders during the 20th century was some form of dictatorship so they can justify strawmanning a republic's inner atrocities that pale in comparison.

all atrocities are fucking shit, but comparing a few hundred murders to tens of thousands, or tens of millions is a bit ridiculous.

Hiring a hitman to do dirty work by financially supporting such countries is the exact same as doing the dirty work ourselves.

I see no moral difference between supporting isis and Al Qaeda directly, and supporting them indirectly by providing financial and military support through Saudi Arabia

The only difference between us and a dictatorship is we don't make our own people suffer, we exploit and abuse other countries that do by putting our economy over our humanity.

It's like this in most democracies, we fund and allow evil to propagate in order to lower the bottom line. And pretend we are better than them because our hands are cleaner than theirs.

R A D A Я, on 23 June 2020 - 02:50 PM, said:

You literally advocated for omnicide 2 seconds ago.

I think you may have skimmed over the whole Cartaphilus part and blaming god for making me insane, but all's well that ends well.

Omnicide is morally acceptable because there is no one to object after the fact.

[Radar]

God must be a psychopath how do you justify millions of people dying btw dictatorship is awesome and tito rules gotta scramble an egg to make an omelette

[Balls of Steel Forever]

R A D A Я, on 23 June 2020 - 04:22 PM, said:

God must be a psychopath how do you justify millions of people dying btw dictatorship is awesome and tito rules gotta scramble an egg to make an omelette

Dictatorship isn't awesome.

A direct democracy is definitely an option with todays technology, and honestly that would be better for the u.s. then a dictatorship, there would have to be something put in place to prevent media influence and tyranny of the majority though.

Maybe just remove the house, replace it with the u.s. population, and keep the Senate.

No staying power with the judicial system, cycle through new ones every couple of years.

Get rid of the president

I definitely think it's possible to have a direct democracy with our phones and such.

I think we'd be in a better place if the people made decisions and not representatives.

Our fuckups would be our responsibility, we couldn't blame them on anything besides ourselves.

[Forge]

Balls Of Steel Forever, on 23 June 2020 - 04:00 PM, said:

And pretend we are better than them because our hands are cleaner than theirs.

as per your own philosophy
this republic called the united states does not have clean hands, or is morally better.

It is simply cleaner and better off.

[Mark]

intermission...
https://twitter.com/...536518740946944

[Hank]

... intermission ...

[Kyanos]

What's going on with the police covering up pedos? A group of locals had to break into the house to discover the cops had lied and the children were there? Then the house burned down? You'd think this would get a bit of coverage in the media, any one else even hear about this? Worldstar was pretty upset about it last night.

[Mark]

Are you talking about the case in Milwaukee?

I haven't verified yet but I saw a quick hit about the noose in Bubba's garage was actually the emergency pull rope for his garage door and its been there for a while. A photo taken about a year ago was shown and you could see the rope. If I'm ambitious I'll look into it tonight.

[Radar]

Kyanos, on 24 June 2020 - 11:39 AM, said:

What's going on with the police covering up pedos? A group of locals had to break into the house to discover the cops had lied and the children were there? Then the house burned down? You'd think this would get a bit of coverage in the media, any one else even hear about this? Worldstar was pretty upset about it last night.

People are sheep and they won't believe it's a real problem unless the media tells them it is.

[Aristotle Gumball]

I used to like Hyde until I found out he fucked and beat up a 14 year old.

[Radar]

Allegedly.