[Cage]

I'm using palette dump tool from DoomCrap program set - but it only saves the palette as the Photoshop format (.act) - no idea if PSP supports it, but I think it's easier to look for a solution to convert it to a supported format instead of having nothing cheers!

Here's the link: http://baghead.drdteam.org/tools.xml

[OpenMaw]

Thanks Cage. With the program I was able to convert it to .act, then use GIMP to index the original image properly. Palette is now game ready.

I love it when a pipeline finally comes together...

[Daedolon]

Thanks to dpax, I got inspired to start working on some Duke3D stuff, starting yesterday. Excuse missing lighting and other stuff.

[Micky C]

Very nice, is that your first attempt at mapping?

[Lunick]

Micky C, on 10 December 2013 - 02:23 AM, said:

Very nice, is that your first attempt at mapping?

ಠ_ಠ

[neoacix]

@Micky C, thanks for your suggestion with the lights.
Didn't know that trick with the transparency.

Daedolon, on 10 December 2013 - 01:37 AM, said:

Thanks to dpax, I got inspired to start working on some Duke3D stuff, starting yesterday. Excuse missing lighting and other stuff.

Well, this gives me some inspiration too. ^^

[Micky C]

dpax, on 10 December 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

@Micky C, thanks for your suggestion with the lights.
Didn't know that trick with the transparency.

Glad I could help

Lunick, on 10 December 2013 - 02:43 AM, said:

ಠ_ಠ

[Gambini]

Daedolon, on 10 December 2013 - 01:37 AM, said:

Thanks to dpax, I got inspired to start working on some Duke3D stuff, starting yesterday. Excuse missing lighting and other stuff.

Very sexy!! Combines good architecture with detail and color scheme.

[Jimmy]

Looks great Daedolon. It actually sort of reminds me of stuff built by quakis.
_{So don't abandon it.}

[Daedolon]

Thanks, guys!

Since it mostly is starting to look presentable, I'll just keep adding meat to it to hopefully get a proper map out at some point.

[DavoX]

Fuck yeah it looks awesome, great work!

[brullov]

I'm preparing something for Dukers in special atmosphere!

[OpenMaw]

This is technically Duke related. So I don't feel too bad derailing the topic with this once again. Though it's not Duke3D related. (Don't let the last row fool you.)




I was wondering if you guys could offer up some criticisms, and suggestions on my palette? I'm trying to nail a solid gritty look, but still have a decent range of colors, and I was wondering if any of you could spot where I might have weaknesses? Obviously it's hard to tell without seeing it applied to anything, but, those of you who have worked with limited palettes in the past may know where i'm gonna run into trouble.

[Hendricks266]

It's really hard to say without seeing the art itself, but one observation is that the number of brown shades you have gives Blood's palette a run for its money.

[Scott_AW]

Thats pretty close to how I setup a program to quickly convert such an image into a duke palette file, attached below.

You will have to adjust each square and give them a buffer between each color, but it can easily be converted and then you can see how it runs. It doesn't handle look up tables, so I'm not sure what you'd use for that. Your best bet is make sure that your gradients match up in length with the originals. Like I'm not sure if your additional highbright green will be read, but of course you can test it out.

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[Cage]

Commando Nukem, on 13 December 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

[size="2"]I was wondering if you guys could offer up some criticisms, and suggestions on my palette? I'm trying to nail a solid gritty look, but still have a decent range of colors, and I was wondering if any of you could spot where I might have weaknesses?

In general, there's pretty high contrast in the dark shades, which can pose problems if you'd like to have dark areas in your project - either harsh transitions between colors, or you might need to use colors from other ramps to make the transition fluid - which may, or may not work. Also, the change in the lightness/values could be more evenly distributed (Flesh tones/mud)

Most of your ranges also lack really bright hues (fading to white, or somewhere close), which can create some problems if you'd like to have some specular highlights on textures or create colored light fixture textures.

Yellow and hard orange can pose problems, since they like there's no proper color to fade them out in the dark - keep in mind that besides the palette, you still have the color map/shade tables to do.

Low amount of dark shades in the vivid red and vivid green - you can use faded red shades to make it a little more fluid, but the greens will still have the jump.

Not sure how you plan to use the grit range, but I'd make it more saturated myself - this depends on what you want. I't's nice to have some variety in gray textures - if you plan on doing some rusty/stained stuff, it's great to have an in-between range between the gray and the main brown range - Doom, Hacx & Supplice use a tan range for this, and works well, plus it can be used as another color. You can go the Cyclones route, and use a green color, in-between the main gray and green range - works great too. I really like the faded/soft blue range, since a desaturated blue can be used to spice up gray/metal textures/sprites very nicely.



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From my experience, I'm almost sure you'll have to do some tweaks in the palette once you get to working on art Don't worry, usually it works out for the best. Keep in mind to always keep your true-color textures somewhere!

Creating and 8-bit palette is always a trade-off, it's either more shades or more fluid color transitions. Personally, I prefer the idea of a more themed palette (less hues, more shades), but that worked well for the projects I've had - not sure what you're planning to do.

Good luck!

[Fox]

Skybox type

[neoacix]

...weird things, I guess

[ReaperMan]

That is one big Techbot.

[Scott_AW]

Classic, now it just needs head spinning action, maybe sparks.

[neoacix]

Scott_AW, on 14 December 2013 - 10:15 PM, said:

Classic, now it just needs head spinning action, maybe sparks.

Well... head spinning would be cool, but it's not possible I guess, because Mr. Robot is build out of sprites.
But he has some nice fists which will fly IN YOUR FACE!
Don't get me wrong, it's an enemy in my map...

And sparks... you won't have the time to watch them...

Okay, enough for the spoilers then...

[High Treason]

You could possibly make it spin making a small rotating sector, putting script_expertmode in the console and editing the Sectnum of the sprites just before you save & exit. Keep in mind, the Sectnum will change back every once in a while.


Reminds me of Mortimer McMyer's Mangling Machine.

[neoacix]

High Treason, on 14 December 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

You could possibly make it spin making a small rotating sector, putting script_expertmode in the console and editing the Sectnum of the sprites just before you save & exit. Keep in mind, the Sectnum will change back every once in a while.

Hm.... Mr. Robot is in an elevator.... but that keeps me thinking of some possibilities.

So, if I edit Sectnums in Mapster and save then, it will be saved in the map.
But if I open the map in mapster again it will be reversed.
Right?

Or do you mean ingame console?

[High Treason]

In Mapster and yeah, it resets them the next time the map is loaded into Mapster as far as I am aware. Keep in mind, that anything you claim belongs to that sector will disappear if you cannot see that sector - really limiting it's use. If it is on an elevator already you probably can't rotate it in anyway (unless you could somehow sync a rotate and rise sector to it without anyone noticing... Assuming that was a sector type in Duke 3D, haven't used the editor for anything more than CGI lately.

My suggestion would be that rather than risk breaking something you build a room with a moving sector of some kind and change the sectnum of a sprite near the sector to observe how it behaves as it can be a little finnicky. Also note that enabling script_expertmode will disable a lot of the fool-proofing in Mapster32 as well. As a last note, it wreaks havoc with collision detection if you start messing with sectnums, I tried to make a floating elevator once and everything fell through it.

[neoacix]

Well, I won't use this effect for the head, but now I'll consider using it in future thanks to you!
This is something never mentioned in any tutorial, so thanks a lot man!

I realy hang on stuff never done in any map before without .con modding. ^^ (and that's realy hard I guess)

[Cage]

Stuff. I need to put in some light fixtures there.

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Fox, on 14 December 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

Skybox type

Does it move, like in Quake?

[Fox]

Not yet, but that's the plan.

[Lunick]

Cage, on 15 December 2013 - 03:26 PM, said:

Stuff. I need to put in some light fixtures there.

Love it

[Fox]