[zykov eddy]

[Gambini]

The light seems to come from behind the flashlight. That white structure next to the oildrum seems to clean, considering it is in "haunted forest".

The indoor shot looks quite great.

[zykov eddy]

Gambini, on 27 August 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

The light seems to come from behind the flashlight.

I'm not sure if I got this right. You mean the little light at the bottom of the right?

[Micky C]

I assume he's talking about the bright (white) patch on the torch just behind the head which makes it look like there's a spotlight being emmited from behind and just above the torch.

[zykov eddy]

Hmm, I see, but how can I fix it? Do I need to remove it or make less brighter?

I'll probably find a new model of flashlight anyway, this one is just a sprite

[rasmus thorup]

The first few pictures i uploaded of my weapon was in solid mode. It adds shadows to the model i think. This is in texture mode after i have UV mapped it and vertic painted it.
Does the model ingame look like texture mode in blender, or does it look like solid mode?

[Fox]

Hmm, that's interesting, but I have some criticism. First the horizontal grip looks too small. Secondly the back of the weapons doesn't looks like the sprite:

[rasmus thorup]

Thanks, i agree that the grip looks too small. The back of the weapon was a really big problem for, because i couldn't figure out what it was supposed to look like because of the bad quality in the old sprites.
When you look at the weapon from behind, i agree with you that it is very different. But when looking it from the side, i think i got it somewhat right.
But not matter what, i'm not gonna change it. But thanks anyways.

[Fox]

For reference, I made a drawing of what the weapon should be like:



I am not really sure if that cylinder was meant to be a drum magazine, but you can see it in the sprites.

[rasmus thorup]

AAhhh i get it.
It's this picture that confused me.

The round thing (cylinder?) Was what made me think it should like like i made it.
How the hell could you see that?

[Jblade]

You know I always kinda forget just how good Duke's enemy sprites are. They're more detailed than Doom but don't suffer from looking like 3D models like a few of Shadow Warrior's enemies do (Blood is still the best there is when it comes to character sprites though)

[TerminX]

rasmus thorup, on 04 September 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

But not matter what, i'm not gonna change it. But thanks anyways.

Then why did you post it in a feedback/criticism thread?

[rasmus thorup]

Because it's good to know what i can do better.
I'm not gonna change 1/3 of the model, even though it was a very good criticism from fox. But i am gonna change the grip because it is easy for me to do.

Remember to tell me if you see something i should change, i might do it.

[OpenMaw]

rasmus thorup, on 04 September 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

Because it's good to know what i can do better.
I'm not gonna change 1/3 of the model, even though it was a very good criticism from fox. But i am gonna change the grip because it is easy for me to do.

Remember to tell me if you see something i should change, i might do it.

You really should. You have it wrong.

[rasmus thorup]

Commando Nukem, on 04 September 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

You really should. You have it wrong.

I think it's good enough, i don't want to spend more time on the back of the weapon which you barely even see on the sprites.
But what do you think about the other parts?
What about the shade, what about UV mapping. Any corrections here?

[Fox]

Commando Nukem, on 04 September 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

You really should. You have it wrong.

That's mean!

[rasmus thorup]

aaaaah, okay, i will change it.

But only because i love you, and duke <3

[Fox]

I don't know, there are many details to point out. You made the main part of the gun a cube, while it's actually a detailed structure. The circles around the launcher barrel are narrow in the sprites, but only because of the shading they look wider. It might be just the angle of the image, but I also feel the barrel are too long.

In terms of texture, I am not sure if the gun was meant to have just one color with different lightning, or if some parts are meant to be shiny while others of mat black.

[XThX2]

James, on 04 September 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

You know I always kinda forget just how good Duke's enemy sprites are. They're more detailed than Doom but don't suffer from looking like 3D models like a few of Shadow Warrior's enemies do (Blood is still the best there is when it comes to character sprites though)

Sumo and Guardian ?

[Gambini]

rasmus thorup, on 04 September 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

The first few pictures i uploaded of my weapon was in solid mode. It adds shadows to the model i think. This is in texture mode after i have UV mapped it and vertic painted it.
Does the model ingame look like texture mode in blender, or does it look like solid mode?

You definetely made progress regarding UV projection and polygon continuity. That ambient oclusion looks also very well. But the overall model is bland. It´s just a cube with a few cylinders. I´d advice to spend more time with it. It will not be a waste since you´ll learn things applicable in further models. Also the texture should be composed of different materials, the cannons should have a chrome look, the grip a rough rubber, the body should be painted metal with some scratches in the edges. And there´s a lot of detail you can "fake" with bevel effects in the texture itself.

[OpenMaw]

Fox, on 04 September 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

That's mean!

I'm not trying to be. It's just the bluntest way to say it. People have pointed out the flaws. The best thing any budding modeler can do is to try and strive to as accurately as possible recreate what they're intending to....I'm not trying to be a dick. Merely saying it as I see it. His efforts are certainly very good, and he's already improved.

[Jimmy]

Commando Nukem is right. You'll never get better if your attitude is "Fuck it, it's close enough."

[Mark]

Yep. I have no doubt the model will keep improving. I was bored this evening and made a quick tweaking of the original model skin in the HRP. Its just an example of how to spice up the plain textures a bit. ( I know, its no where near original looking ) Don't worry. I'm in no competition with you Ramus. I have no plans to build a new model or release any skins. Its all yours dude. In fact, after I was done messing around I reverted the model back to normal and erased my work. I don't think I could handle all the close scrutiny of actually making a new model and skin to replace something this important.
I'm looking forward to seeing the completed gun. Keep at it. It will be worth it if it gets into the game.

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[Tea Monster]

Exactly like an 8 bit sprite from 1996 is not necessarily 'better'

[Fox]

Except that the "sprites" came from a model.

[Tea Monster]

Nobody seems to remember that.

[rasmus thorup]

Last night i was pretty tired and i didn't feel like working anymore. Your right that i need to stop saying "screw it, it's good enough". I just needed a good nights sleep and some more time. I'm working on the box right now. I gave it the shape that you painted fox.
I also need to add more textures, right now i have only used 2 or 3 textures which was actualy just to make it look a bit more like what i wanted to.
If you ask me, the barrels look pretty sexy. And i think more texture work would make it look even better. The main "box" is was hurts the model. And the back of the model needs to be totaly redone. The grips just looks thin, and they would crack if a battlelord would handle this gun.

[Tetsuo]

Back in the day game assets came from a variety of sources just as they do today. Models, stop motion miniatures, photgraphs (of real weapons, toys, etc) and hand drawn stuff (paintings & etc.) not just one or two of those. Nobody seems to realize that they just want to pick sides and stand behind one of those. The enemies in Duke3D came from models though, yes.

[rasmus thorup]

I have actually bookmarked a site that has a lot of old game sprites, take a loot at the shadow warriors.
http://spriters-reso...war/sheet/33685
Doesn't look too good if you ask me
I think duke's sprites looks better than blood.

[Jimmy]

Tetsuo, on 05 September 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

Back in the day game assets came from a variety of sources just as they do today. Models, stop motion miniatures, photgraphs (of real weapons, toys, etc) and hand drawn stuff (paintings & etc.) not just one or two of those. Nobody seems to realize that they just want to pick sides and stand behind one of those. The enemies in Duke3D came from models though, yes.

Not to mention they came from models that were heavily detailed and could have never looked so good in game as models. They would have just been low-poly shit.

From an artistic standpoint, Blood's artwork is the most well crafted and overall consistent of the bunch. It is a wonderfully crafted game.
Shadow Warrior's graphics 'work', but it is very inconsistent and all over the place.
Duke's stuff is pretty good to, but inconsistent at times too. I think it mostly suffered from laziness/rushing.