[High Treason]

Yes, it is a Build structure with a working door. The only 3D Models in that shot are the "Woodhorse" to the right and the Keycard switch, maybe a couple of sprites visible through the window - actually the window is a sprite because the ceiling of that sector is the sky as far as the game engine knows so it is not possible to use a mask for it - but everything else is Sectors.

I've been able to do this for a while but it was not possible to get windows into the building, I've spent ages trying to figure out how to do it.

Edit: I should probably have added that I've finished all the major sector and sprite work for my map now - which is where that building is from. All I have left to do is tidy the intro up, add a couple of walls, fix some textures and add enemies/items/effects, I expect this to take a while, given that I am still not familiar with the tags for Duke, I guess I'll be spending a lot of time reading the Infosuite.

[CruX]

Making pretty steady progress on the first level, in light of the fact that I hadn't had as much time to work on it as I'd like.

[Fox]

High Treason, on Nov 22 2010, 06:38 AM, said:

Yes, it is a Build structure with a working door. The only 3D Models in that shot are the "Woodhorse" to the right and the Keycard switch, maybe a couple of sprites visible through the window - actually the window is a sprite because the ceiling of that sector is the sky as far as the game engine knows so it is not possible to use a mask for it - but everything else is Sectors.

I've been able to do this for a while but it was not possible to get windows into the building, I've spent ages trying to figure out how to do it.

Edit: I should probably have added that I've finished all the major sector and sprite work for my map now - which is where that building is from. All I have left to do is tidy the intro up, add a couple of walls, fix some textures and add enemies/items/effects, I expect this to take a while, given that I am still not familiar with the tags for Duke, I guess I'll be spending a lot of time reading the Infosuite.

I have asked about the 3d model because back them I could do something like that using a 3d model roof



As many of you may have figures it just by looking, this is quite a simply structure. The ceiling sky is set at different height and slopes to to define the house walls.

There is just a roof 3d model with the sectnum structure set the same as the outside area.


So, about your roof... can you walk over it? If not, can't you change the paralaxed sky (even if it is a sector with lenght of 1) height for the masked wall?

[High Treason]

I can not walk on the roof in the screenshot but there is a way of doing it where you can walk on it. I havent bothered to do this with the building in the shot because it is at the edge of the playable area of the map and it would be a lot of work for nothing.

I can change the height of the sky for the window sector but then I get weird artifacts where the roof is (given that there would then be a sky going straight through it) and things behind it tend to disappear which causes the roof to also stop being drawn if you look too closely at the window (The roof is technically a sector inside the sector making up the wall, it has been stretched out, kind of like flat-packed furniture). I suspect there is a practical way of lowering the sky as I have had it work with other things, it's just kind of hit-and-miss really. The window doesn't need to be broken or anything anyway because the player needs a key to get into that building.

Edit: Thinking about it, models are likey more efficient than this sector method. The roof consists of around 12 walls in 4 sectors... I wondered why I was approaching the wall limit.

Anyhow, in case anybody is bothered, I've started on enemy/item placement and Sector Effectors.

[bullerbullerseven]

added the upgrademenu display and up/down/left/right button options to the little moogle guy on the picture i showed before


AND

do anybody know why when i press space when the map is loading. it simply skips the loading and enters the level? if this doesnt bug up anything then i find this highly effective ^^ only tried it with one map and that is my own.

oh also added new boss monster. the giant battle lord that does kinda the same as the regular battle lords. this one is about double as big as the boss version of it. thats about 4 or 5 times as big as the miniboss version.
he has an incredible fast run speed and he runs toward you and when he is close enough to you, you will get wacked a bit and he will start shooting at you or maybe doing something else. most of his actions are decided by random chances. havent added new weapons for him yet.
and can someone please tell me how to change from where the enemy spawns the shots. like when the battlelord shoots a morter. how can i define from where on the sprite if will be spawned?

[The Commander]

Jhect, on Nov 24 2010, 10:36 AM, said:

do anybody know why when i press space when the map is loading. it simply skips the loading and enters the level? if this doesnt bug up anything then i find this highly effective ^^ only tried it with one map and that is my own.

It has done this for almost 2 years now.

Jhect, on Nov 24 2010, 10:36 AM, said:

and can someone please tell me how to change from where the enemy spawns the shots. like when the battlelord shoots a morter. how can i define from where on the sprite if will be spawned?

http://wiki.eduke32....iki/PROJ_OFFSET

[Jblade]

EmericaSkater, on Nov 22 2010, 09:18 PM, said:

Making pretty steady progress on the first level, in light of the fact that I hadn't had as much time to work on it as I'd like.

Good stuff, I like it! I think the project would benefit from not using Duke textures whereas possible since it still 'looks' like a Duke level with custom art rather than a different game

[bullerbullerseven]

The Commander, on Nov 24 2010, 07:18 AM, said:

It has done this for almost 2 years now.


http://wiki.eduke32....iki/PROJ_OFFSET

quote1:
ok but does it damage anything?

quote2:
so i have to make new projectiles for the different size of the enemies? how useful >.<

[CruX]

 James, on Nov 24 2010, 01:16 PM, said:

Good stuff, I like it! I think the project would benefit from not using Duke textures whereas possible since it still 'looks' like a Duke level with custom art rather than a different game

I've been thinking the same thing, actually, though for different reasons, and I still wind up being kind of conflicted. I've learned how to map with Duke's textures, and I'm sort of reluctant to cut any part of them out, but I've also been debating on whether or not I should make it stand-alone. If I did, I think minimizing duke's vanilla textures would be the ethical high-road.

 Jhect, on Nov 24 2010, 01:26 PM, said:

quote2:
so i have to make new projectiles for the different size of the enemies? how useful >.<

No offense man, but you really need to consider the merit of what you're about to post before you actually post it. There's nothing about the page Commander linked you to that suggested you needed to make a separate projectile for each enemy. Most properties of a projectile can be edited on the fly by using the RETURN var after the projectile's been shot. For example, changing the Z-position of the projectile would be something like,

eshoot PROJECTILE
getactor[RETURN].z temp1
addvar temp1 -10 
setactor[RETURN].z temp1

You can also use the get/setprojectile commands to edit other particular properties, but in my experience, those commands have changed the properties for ALL projectiles, rather than what's been shot.

[The Commander]

I knew that what ever I posted I would get another question in return, that is why I tried to go with the simplest one of defineprojectile where he could use.

Quote

defineprojectile MORTER PROJ_OFFSET VARIABLE

Although he never said what direction he wanted the projectile to be edited from, so I assumed it was the X axis and not Z.

[The Commander]

I don't know why I did not think of it sooner, but I have added the famous old churches from C&C / Red Alert that you can get the create with $2000 in it when you blow them up.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=z5m25hTlHrY - Audio quality is a bit whack this time, not sure how that happened.

[bullerbullerseven]

 The Commander, on Nov 25 2010, 08:55 AM, said:

I don't know why I did not think of it sooner, but I have added the famous old churches from C&C / Red Alert that you can get the create with $2000 in it when you blow them up.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=z5m25hTlHrY - Audio quality is a bit whack this time, not sure how that happened.

police bells and churc sirens

but seriously i dont see how a mod like this can be more fun than the original game...

[The Commander]

 Jhect, on Nov 26 2010, 06:45 AM, said:

police bells and churc sirens

That makes no sense to me what so ever.

[Micky C]

 The Commander, on Nov 25 2010, 05:25 PM, said:

I don't know why I did not think of it sooner, but I have added the famous old churches from C&C / Red Alert that you can get the create with $2000 in it when you blow them up.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=z5m25hTlHrY - Audio quality is a bit whack this time, not sure how that happened.

Wow that base and everything looked cool, too bad the polymer draw distance kind of killed the realism a bit with the magically appearing cliffs

Are you planning to add more explosions to the church's destruction? Also, I'm not sure if I saw the bolt of electricity from the tesla tower, although it could have been too quick for me

[The Commander]

 Micky C, on Nov 26 2010, 09:36 PM, said:

Wow that base and everything looked cool, too bad the polymer draw distance kind of killed the realism a bit with the magically appearing cliffs

It is a downfall, but then it also gives it a higher FPS than trying to run it in Polymost.
Yes, Polymer is faster than Polymost in this mod

 Micky C, on Nov 26 2010, 09:36 PM, said:

Are you planning to add more explosions to the church's destruction?

Yeah, I am going to be giving all explosions an overhaul soon.

 Micky C, on Nov 26 2010, 09:36 PM, said:

Also, I'm not sure if I saw the bolt of electricity from the tesla tower, although it could have been too quick for me

Yeah there is a bolt, IIRC you have a SVN tool, so just download it with the link in my signature and check it out.

[Micky C]

Just downloaded it, but when I try to open it, it says 'failed to load tables.dat'

edit: I copied and pasted the necessary files from somewhere else. Where is the documentation on this mod? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

[Zaxtor]

On my mod after a break.
Just made some insane sprites works, many caves and high-tech things etc.

[Simon_Croes]

Micky C, on Nov 27 2010, 11:30 AM, said:

Just downloaded it, but when I try to open it, it says 'failed to load tables.dat'

Make suke DUKE3D.GRP is in your directory.

[The Commander]

Micky C, on Nov 27 2010, 10:30 PM, said:

edit: I copied and pasted the necessary files from somewhere else. Where is the documentation on this mod? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

Yeah, you only need to paste a DUKE3D.GRP into the folder, I can't include that yet for obvious reasons.
There is some documentation in DNRA README.txt and DNRA README.doc although it's not fully up to date.

It is best to use "Red Alert Host.bat" to play the game and not "Red Alert.bat" just make sure monster in the setup window is on something other than none. Just play around with the maps, none of them are fully complete yet.

[The Commander]

During the Great World War II both the Soviets and Allies used identical power plants that followed basic building architecture. Both the Allied and Soviet power plants and advanced power plants shared the same aesthetic designs.

http://www.youtube.c...OzoouBA&t=1m22s

[Sobek]

Need....fixed....transparency!

But I think it's great regardless. The power plant looks massive - is it really or is it just a perspective illusion? Care to post a shot from right up close looking up at it? Just curious

[Micky C]

Just in case you didn't know, the buildings in commander's mod including the powerplant are giant models

[The Commander]

Sobek, on Dec 1 2010, 04:57 PM, said:

Need....fixed....transparency!

The transparency goes to shit when you use polymer lights in sectors with the fog effect.
I wish Plagman would fix it.

Sobek, on Dec 1 2010, 04:57 PM, said:

But I think it's great regardless. The power plant looks massive - is it really or is it just a perspective illusion? Care to post a shot from right up close looking up at it? Just curious

A few details still need to be fixed on it, but it's working none the less.

Micky C, on Dec 1 2010, 08:02 PM, said:

Just in case you didn't know, the buildings in commander's mod including the powerplant are giant models

Pretty much, I have updated my SVN with the latest changes etc
Maybe if I could start having some feed back, one of the nice changes I did was make destroyed buildings have a smoke effect so that it is easier to see that they need rebuilding instead of looking round for a wrench icon.

[bullerbullerseven]

back. after a little break i started again very slow by working on my tower level. its supposed to be a bit of a puzzle. the first floor is the start sector. you have to fight your way to the top. on your way up you will be on floors where you have to make a few puzzles to get further to the top. you have to press some buttons that rotates the floor so that the big walls wont be in the way. have fun

[Stabs]

Does changing the tranparency blend mode change anything?

like addditive or subtract?

[Sobek]

Looks awesome Commander... Any issues with the whole model just vanishing when you view it at extreme angles? Or did you put it together out of a bunch of smaller models to 'bypass' that issue? That's the sole problem with large models :@

Also, sigh. I just spent a good hour converting over and setting up a new phaser rifle model someone provided for me (I honestly hate the one I've been using), based on the rifles they occasionally used in Voyager. They look awesome in the show, but this model is just plain horrible for use in Duke. The shape just doesn't work no matter how you angle or size it, and while the textures provided looked good, the way they're mapped onto the model is just plain awful. So that was an hour wasted...



Back to the drawing board! Luckily I've got quite a few quality phaser rifle models to choose from, just not the kind that really suit the Voyager theme quite right. I really wanted to use a proper delta quadrant phaser rifle but, I can see it just isn't going to work.

[The Commander]

The interior and exterior are two separate models, they are also wall aligned and placed in a rather large sector that does not over lap any other sectors.

[Sobek]

Alright, back to the 'original' phaser rifle. I tweaked the textures slightly (gloved hands, better looking yellow sections and ribbed front end), along with the positioning, angle etc. The last thing I'll be doing is altering the display on the back a bit and giving the lighting on it a slightly more blue-ish look, which I feel fits better with Voyager's style (and is just more pleasing to the eye).



Man Polymer runs like shit now on my old work PC. Time for an upgrade... At least parts are cheap these days.

The Commander, on Dec 1 2010, 06:37 PM, said:

The transparency goes to shit when you use polymer lights in sectors with the fog effect.
I wish Plagman would fix it.

Just to be clear, I was talking about the transparency on the textures for the tree to the right of the image... How the different layers have that outer transparent section that cuts through everything. Man I can't stand that!

[bullerbullerseven]

sobek is that the final version of the weapon? i mean. it looks kinda paper like. the level itself and everything else looks amazing

[Sobek]

Jhect, on Dec 4 2010, 02:50 PM, said:

sobek is that the final version of the weapon? i mean. it looks kinda paper like. the level itself and everything else looks amazing

That's the final version yeah. Paper like? Can you be a little more specific... I mean, do you think the lighting on the weapon is wrong (can fix that with some texture and shade tweaks), or do you think the textures themselves are just flawed in some way?

Perhaps it's just the big empty grey space on the backside that stands out?