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Is the Duke IP dead?

User is offline   NNC 

#151

Blum and Levelord are two different beasts. Blum's maps (well, the two popular ones) genuinely felt like maps from the original game, except just being larger and more detailed. Sure, he laid an egg with the other two, but in his interview he said he didn't really care about those, especially the boss map, where the pathway to the boss was just made in a few hours. High Times could have been a great map though if he cared about stuff like new sector effectors, new gameplay elements, new babes in the windows, and especially, the new art/textures that aren't so out of place. Despite this, the level showed some of Blum's class, it had a sense of place, it looked real for most part, and it doesn't look like some random city, it was Amsterdam. It was just not polished enough, and the remake of Lunatic Fringe in the end was ridiculously cheap and rushed.

Based on Mirage Barrage and Golden Carnage, Blum didn't lose any edge of his Build knowledge, and honestly I can't even think of a single usermap from the last 20 years which is better than any of them.

Levelord on the other had never been very talented. TerminX once said that The Abyss had been remade many times before it was getting into the final shape, Blum and Broussard spent lots of fine tuning and feedback for some of his levels, and even with this, his maps were clearly inferior to the work of Blum. Levelord is an extremely talented gameplay creator though, he had a good sense for monster placement, but as a layout designer he was average at best and needed lots of quality control. The result in WT was something when the guy didn't get this said quality control. The funny thing is that he went into modern mapping styles, his maps felt like stuff Pascal Rouaud could make. I think if he was on his own back in 1995-96, his levels would have looked as crowded as these new maps look.

To be fair, even Levelord's maps are quite good on their own. Just remove all that french/russian jazz from his levels, and you got a 88-93% Mikko-score for both Red Ruckus and Tour de Nukem. The latter even had some genuine Duke3D-ish moments in its second half which reminded me of Sewer, his absolutely best piece of leveldesign.

The problem overall wasn't their lack of knowledge. The problem was there was nobody out there who could have given a proper vision for the episode. Levelord could have released his own stuff in a separate little mapset, while Blum could have released his two best maps as single player releases. As an episode it was a total hodjpodj, and had no coherence sadly. And that was Randy's fault honestly.

I still hope (especially in the case of Blum) that they return to Build mapping once more, and make a coherent masterpiece like LA Meltdown. Blum is absolutely capable, and with the proper help, Levelord can be a great support man for this.

Despite all the errors in WT, including the flaws of the engine, it can't be written in the same sentence with Nuclear Winter. Okay that NW is 20 years older, but everything, literally everything was wrong with it. Ugly levels, cheap remakes (heck, even Hangar was remade), unattractive design, buggy coding, lack of sounds, etc etc etc, WT, while it was a massive disappointment is just a solid ride, with some outstanding and some poor stuff in it, I'm glad it was created.

This post has been edited by The Watchtower: 02 March 2020 - 04:24 PM

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#152

Follow up on the tease from Jon St. John: It's another cruise. Duke still dead for now.
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User is offline   Tea Monster 

  • Polymancer

#153

Duke will be dead till the IP is sold.
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User is offline   gemeaux333 

#154

No it won't !
Perhaps Duke Nukem VR could be the new Boneworks...
If making a new Duke game is a money issue... I guess they could easily think about the EGS option...

If you want to blame someone for the 2001 DNF build beta not be released, blame 2K, because to DNF they are like Margaret Tatcher was to the european union : "I want my money back", except they hardly spent a single cent in this build, it was still 3D Realms money that was burning !

https://twitter.com/...918662248726532

This post has been edited by gemeaux333: 04 March 2020 - 10:33 AM

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User is offline   Tea Monster 

  • Polymancer

#155

Making a new Duke game is a question of wanting to do it. I don't see that happening at Gearbox.

Maggie wasn't always against Europe.
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User is offline   gemeaux333 

#156

She sure would have acted against BREXIT !

Randy would like to do it, if only he wasn't struggling to keep his company afloat (or at least this is what could happen at any given moment) !
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User is offline   Danukem 

  • Duke Plus Developer

#157

@Tea Monster Wanting to influence Europe is not the same as wanting to surrender your sovereignty and become part of Europe.
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User is offline   Radar 

  • King of SOVL

#158

Thatcher literally saved Britain from completely degenerating.
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User is offline   Outtagum 

#159

The next 'Duke Nukem' game will be VR and you will play as Dylan.
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User is offline   ReaperMan 

#160

View PostOuttagum, on 04 March 2020 - 04:36 PM, said:

The next 'Duke Nukem' game will be VR and you will play as Dylan.

Please no.
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User is offline   Jimmy 

  • Let's go Brandon!

#161

View PostRadar 100 Watts, on 04 March 2020 - 03:29 PM, said:

Thatcher literally saved Britain from completely degenerating.


You mean degenerating further past a pedophile paradise?
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User is offline   Radar 

  • King of SOVL

#162

I meant degenerating beyond the post WWII catastrophe where Britain hated success and wealth and kicked out Churchill's conservative party that literally saved the entire continent, but that too.
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#163

View Posthismasterplan, on 02 March 2020 - 06:12 PM, said:

Follow up on the tease from Jon St. John: It's another cruise. Duke still dead for now.

Told ya.

This post has been edited by Altered Reality: 05 March 2020 - 07:42 AM

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User is offline   gemeaux333 

#164

View PostRadar 100 Watts, on 05 March 2020 - 03:48 AM, said:

I meant degenerating beyond the post WWII catastrophe where Britain hated success and wealth and kicked out Churchill's conservative party that literally saved the entire continent, but that too.


Yes, this is the mark of the 4 left wings : scocialists/communists/greens/facists/nazis/Ultra-liberals/Neo-liberals , they were litterally leading GB to sub-devloppement !

View PostOuttagum, on 04 March 2020 - 04:36 PM, said:

The next 'Duke Nukem' game will be VR and you will play as Dylan.


Well, I just played DOOM VFR, and in it you don't play as the Doom Slayer but as doctor Peters who died torn apart by a Pinky and ressurected with the cognitive transfert into a robot like Hayden, although the controls are a pain in the grass without the workshop "smooth rotation" mod, the rest of the game is pretty decent !

This post has been edited by gemeaux333: 05 March 2020 - 10:02 AM

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User is offline   Northrawn 

#165

View Postgemeaux333, on 02 March 2020 - 10:23 AM, said:

Perhaps Duke Nukem VR could be the new Boneworks...


But ... will I be able to grab poop?
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User is offline   gemeaux333 

#166

View PostNorthrawn, on 08 March 2020 - 04:05 AM, said:

But ... will I be able to grab poop?


Maybe ^^
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User is offline   Tea Monster 

  • Polymancer

#167

View PostRADAЯ, on 04 March 2020 - 03:29 PM, said:

Thatcher literally saved Britain from completely degenerating.

Considering that it is completely degenerated now, then no, she didn't.
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User is offline   Radar 

  • King of SOVL

#168

Don't tell me you vote Labour.
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User is offline   Fox 

  • Fraka kaka kaka kaka-kow!

#169

Can we stay on topic? I think the analogy between DNF and politics is lost
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User is offline   gemeaux333 

#170

To be in the DOOM ETERNAL trip :

"Between all the perversity Aliens are capable of, and all the pussydom Humanity can show, we only have you to send : Duke Nukem !"
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User is offline   Jimmy 

  • Let's go Brandon!

#171

cAn We StAy On ToPiC??.?
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User is offline   Radar 

  • King of SOVL

#172

We're always on topic.
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#173

View Postgemeaux333, on 15 March 2020 - 04:12 PM, said:

To be in the DOOM ETERNAL trip :

"Between all the perversity Aliens are capable of, and all the pussydom Humanity can show, we only have you to send : Duke Nukem !"


Duke Nukem's Eternal Tour.

Hell, I'd play it.
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User is offline   Tea Monster 

  • Polymancer

#174

View PostRADAЯ, on 15 March 2020 - 09:05 AM, said:

Don't tell me you vote Labour.

Don't tell me you actually voted for that Trump-lite idiot?
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User is offline   Radar 

  • King of SOVL

#175

LMAO If you do vote Labour then you're in no position to talk about degeneracy.
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User is offline   Danukem 

  • Duke Plus Developer

#176

View PostTea Monster, on 16 March 2020 - 01:26 PM, said:

Don't tell me you actually voted for that Trump-lite idiot?


I'm pretty sure he voted for the actual Trump.

Trump-lite and diet-Trump will be rolled out in 2024.

Also Duke is dead we are now on topic again.
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User is offline   gemeaux333 

#177

Duke is not dead, he have just take a few years of RNR, prolongated because of coronavirus...
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User is offline   Danukem 

  • Duke Plus Developer

#178

View Postgemeaux333, on 17 March 2020 - 10:58 AM, said:

Duke is not dead, he have just take a few years of RNR, prolongated because of coronavirus...


Also now he has one of those 3 second sprint meters...

Because after smoking all those cigars and coronavirus, his lungs aren't what they used to be.
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User is offline   gemeaux333 

#179

Do you mean that Heroes doesn't age very well ? Because I could say then that douchebags doesn't age well either !

What about this one : https://twitter.com/...868424223940609

This post has been edited by gemeaux333: 17 March 2020 - 11:59 AM

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#180

View PostTrooper Dan, on 17 March 2020 - 11:04 AM, said:

Also now he has one of those 3 second sprint meters...

Because after smoking all those cigars and coronavirus, his lungs aren't what they used to be.

When smoking cigars, you don't inhale.
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