[Danukem]

 Radar 100 Watts, on 18 January 2020 - 12:00 PM, said:

Sure thing Dan. I would also mention that just because someone is religious, doesn't mean reason wasn't a tool that one used to arrive to that conclusion.

Of course. Human beings are often guilty of applying reason only selectively, though. Sometimes people start out with beliefs that are based on dogma, conjecture, emotion, or some other unreliable source. Then, without ever questioning those initial assumptions, they use reason very capably to defend or expand on them. If you've ever argued with a very adept defender of a wild conspiracy theory, then you know what I mean. I don't think that religious people are necessarily worse than anyone else when it comes to that, either -- it's just part of the human condition.

I've got a busy weekend and I'm bowing out of this discussion for now.

[PokeThePower]

 Hank, on 16 January 2020 - 10:30 AM, said:

If you identify as Israeli, you can. If you do not, well, then don’t. The only way to find out exactly who is decedent of whom is to round them all up, and do DNA tests.

 OccludeOlga, on 16 January 2020 - 10:36 AM, said:

Sure, tell your average modern Jew that if you identify as a Jew, you can. See how far that gets you.

 Hank, on 16 January 2020 - 11:02 AM, said:

I wrote Israeli, not Jew. Because Jew implies also the religion.

Does it though? Can you be an atheist and have a Nazi commit a hate crime against you? Of course you can.

You know I love you as if you were a brother from a different Teutonic mother, but that was my entire point in the word inversion. At no point, ever, can Jew = Israel. The closest it can, or ever will get, is via the administrative language currently in play in for current border controls. This modern word flip is the source of great confusion over who was doing what in the bible. For all the things I disagree with Jews_For_Hitler, this #1 point he hammers over and over he's always on point and has plenty of content backing it up.

Historically, to be Jewish is to be part of Israel, and at war with it but hey... bros gonna bro.
Historically, to be Israel is not necessarily to be Jewish and the parts that are documented, often aren't kind to the Jewish subset. Bros gonna bro.

It's not 100% certain whether people today claiming to be Jewish are part of Israel. We'll give them the benefit of the doubt though.
It's 100% certain most people today who are part of Israel don't claim it, or ever think of it, yet go on blessing their nations.

The bible is still being written today, just in Babylonian.
GG

[PokeThePower]

Radar 100 Watts said:

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For any discussion ever that needs citations... click on first video, make sure auto-play is enabled and...

[Radar]

If Jews aren't Israel, then who's Israeli?

[PokeThePower]

 Radar 100 Watts, on 20 January 2020 - 06:17 PM, said:

If Jews aren't Israel, then who's Israeli?

The world.

[Mark]

 Radar 100 Watts, on 20 January 2020 - 06:17 PM, said:

If Jews aren't Israel, then who's Israeli?

Thats an easy one. Its the opening line in the book Moby Dick. "I am Israel"

[Radar]

 OccludeOlga, on 20 January 2020 - 06:37 PM, said:

The world.

No. This implies there are no descendants of Israel today.

[Danukem]

This must be one of those games that looks deceptively easy but is actually hard.

Israelis are.... citizens of the state of Israel.

Many jewish people are not citizens of Israel. Moreover, some jews dislike (the state of) Israel and don't want to live there.

OH wait, maybe you mean some true (i.e. false?) Israel that isn't the state.

[Radar]

You're 100% right in regard to the modern state of Israel. What we're talking about is the Biblical term for Jew in the post-captivity era. The Bible uses Israel and Jew interchangeably, while Wieder insists that the Bible is wrong while upholding the Bible to prove his point.

[Forge]

Post Solomon, Jews were not citizens of Israel, they were citizens of Judea.
Samaritans, mudbloods, and idol worshipers were citizens of Israel

modern Israel is keeping up with tradition

Romans 9:6
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel

[Danukem]

[Hank]

 OccludeOlga, on 20 January 2020 - 05:57 PM, said:

You know I love you as if you were a brother from a different Teutonic mother, but that was my entire point in the word inversion.

Since we are talking love here ... luv ya.

One of my business associates was born in Jamaica, educated in England and belongs to the Jewish faith. Part of his ancestry is German. He loves you too.

[Forge]

 Hank, on 20 January 2020 - 09:45 PM, said:

I'm from a poor fam, without any formality

Spare him his life from this monstrosity
Easy come, easy go, will you let him go?

[Hank]

 Forge, on 20 January 2020 - 09:51 PM, said:

Spare him his life from this monstrosity
Easy come, easy go, will you let him go?

fixed it.

[Forge]

[PokeThePower]

 Radar 100 Watts, on 20 January 2020 - 06:57 PM, said:

No. This implies there are no descendants of Israel today.

No. This implies the descendants of Israel did exactly what the bible says they would do. Spread out and bless the nations of the world.

There is only one being that need care who is Israel, God. There is only one tribe that *insists* in modern Babylon that it be called Israel for political gain over using their more specific historical name.

EDIT: The legwork has already been put in. Not 15 minutes... but you won't go to jail (unless you are Canadian).
https://www.bitchute...o/LDbRjMXb1nlv/
https://www.bitchute...o/VU950U1F8lG7/
https://www.bitchute...o/ynx70NxzrEUu/
https://www.bitchute...o/uL9U2BhyZzYz/
https://www.bitchute...o/vsihXBRFW91Y/

Jumping to "self hating" accusations says nothing abut the information, or the content creator because it's obvious the person doesn't hate himself, his family, his ancestors, etc. Only the false perception.

EDIT 2: The only reason this gets complicated is because people alive today make two critical mistakes.

1: Treat the physical book they hold as inerrant despite being unable to point to any one translation (and incessantly bickering over them). The bible is inerrant. The book you hold is a tool to reach the bible, but it is not the bible.

2. Treat a modern political group with more credibility for telling the truth about themselves than they would their very own politicians.

[Forge]

 OccludeOlga, on 21 January 2020 - 12:35 AM, said:

Treat the physical book they hold as inerrant

that's apocryphal

[Radar]

 OccludeOlga, on 21 January 2020 - 12:35 AM, said:

No. This implies the descendants of Israel did exactly what the bible says they would do. Spread out and bless the nations of the world.

This is obviously an incredibly poor reading of Genesis 26:4. Read Genesis again without Jews for Hitler telling you what to think (not sure if you've read it once). Some deeper concepts might not be apparent, but the context is clear on its own.

 OccludeOlga, on 21 January 2020 - 12:35 AM, said:

There is only one being that need care who is Israel, God. There is only one tribe that *insists* in modern Babylon that it be called Israel for political gain over using their more specific historical name.

There's no such thing as "modern Babylon". Babylon is physical city which existed in the past and has yet to exist in the future.

 OccludeOlga, on 21 January 2020 - 12:35 AM, said:

EDIT: The legwork has already been put in. Not 15 minutes... but you won't go to jail (unless you are Canadian).
https://www.bitchute...o/LDbRjMXb1nlv/
https://www.bitchute...o/VU950U1F8lG7/
https://www.bitchute...o/ynx70NxzrEUu/
https://www.bitchute...o/uL9U2BhyZzYz/
https://www.bitchute...o/vsihXBRFW91Y/

The reason why I ask for short clips is because that's how you get into any ideologue. I first watched short videos of Jordan Peterson owning the libs, and then I started watching full lectures. I watched JRE Clips, then I watched full podcasts. Nobody has time to listen for hours to someone they don't even like. I'm not interested in this artist because he's boring and his ideas are old.

 OccludeOlga, on 21 January 2020 - 12:35 AM, said:

Jumping to "self hating" accusations says nothing abut the information, or the content creator because it's obvious the person doesn't hate himself, his family, his ancestors, etc. Only the false perception.

lol, he hates himself.

 OccludeOlga, on 21 January 2020 - 12:35 AM, said:

EDIT 2: The only reason this gets complicated is because people alive today make two critical mistakes.

1: Treat the physical book they hold as inerrant despite being unable to point to any one translation (and incessantly bickering over them). The bible is inerrant. The book you hold is a tool to reach the bible, but it is not the bible.

If you own a book called "the bible" that isn't actually a Bible then throw it away. As for me, I own a Bible. I am well-versed in inconsistencies between the english Bible and the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. But I know you don't actually read it.

 OccludeOlga, on 21 January 2020 - 12:35 AM, said:

2. Treat a modern political group with more credibility for telling the truth about themselves than they would their very own politicians.

Why would you trust Netanyahu less than, say, Hillary Clinton?

[Kyanos]

 Radar 100 Watts, on 21 January 2020 - 02:26 PM, said:

Why would you trust Netanyahu less than, say, Hillary Clinton?

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[Radar]

Netanyahu is a boss, dude.

[PokeThePower]

 Radar 100 Watts, on 21 January 2020 - 02:26 PM, said:

Some deeper concepts might not be apparent, but the context is clear on its own.

Israel has spread invisibly through the world. As was intended. The modern nation state using those letters is an administrative scam. If they had called themselves Judea there would be no problem.

 Radar 100 Watts, on 21 January 2020 - 02:26 PM, said:

There's no such thing as "modern Babylon". Babylon is physical city which existed in the past and has yet to exist in the future.

Ok Boomer.

 Radar 100 Watts, on 21 January 2020 - 02:26 PM, said:

I first watched short videos of Jordan Peterson owning the libs, and then I started watching full lectures. I watched JRE Clips, then I watched full podcasts.

Peterson and JR are gate keepers, and the longer you listen to them the worse their points get. If you're still listening to Peterson in current year, you might be a progressive. Rogan is like going to an amusement park. Some stuff is fun, some stuff is shit, but no matter what it wasn't worth the price you paid even if all you paid was time but you still go because it's better than watching TV.

 Radar 100 Watts, on 21 January 2020 - 02:26 PM, said:

Nobody has time to listen for hours to someone they don't even like. I'm not interested in this artist because he's boring and his ideas are old.

Hmmm... his ideas might be... regressive relative to progressive. His ideas might harken back to the source... not the rewrite. Hmmmmm... HMMMMM.....

 Radar 100 Watts, on 21 January 2020 - 02:26 PM, said:

lol, he hates himself.

Ok Radoomer.

 Radar 100 Watts, on 21 January 2020 - 02:26 PM, said:

If you own a book called "the bible" that isn't actually a Bible then throw it away. As for me, I own a Bible. I am well-versed in inconsistencies between the english Bible and the original Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. But I know you don't actually read it.

Nobody can own the bible. The bible is the word of God, the word of God is the truth. No collection of paper with the words b i b l e on any part of it are the bible. They are tools/reflections/resources. I'll be sure to tell my bible study group at work in a heavily satanic influenced industry that we aren't reading the bible because Radar thinks he actually OWNS the word of God.

 Radar 100 Watts, on 21 January 2020 - 02:26 PM, said:

Why would you trust Netanyahu less than, say, Hillary Clinton?

Here is my trust level. Netanyahu=Clinton=Trump

Bait me again.

[Danukem]

 OccludeOlga, on 22 January 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

Nobody can own the bible. The bible is the word of God, the word of God is the truth. No collection of paper with the words b i b l e on any part of it are the bible. They are tools/reflections/resources. I'll be sure to tell my bible study group at work in a heavily satanic influenced industry that we aren't reading the bible because Radar thinks he actually OWNS the word of God.

A difficulty arises if you take that position and then weigh-in on what the bible says. If what is written down by human beings in human language is imperfect and always potentially in error, then it begs the question of how one knows what is in the bible (i.e. how one knows the actual word of god). I'm guessing you don't mean to imply that you have special insight into the mind of god. In that case, it comes down to examining and interpreting those imperfect collections of paper with words on them. But then it seems you are obligated to get down in the exegetical trenches and argue for your own interpretation, which is what Radar is trying to make you do.

[PokeThePower]

 Trooper Dan, on 22 January 2020 - 11:52 AM, said:

which is what Radar is trying to make you do.

No, Radar is just saying "Nah dawg" and providing no counter arguments to the minutes, and HOURS of information I'm sharing via a third party.

Which is fine, but it doesn't carry much weight. Why doesn't Radar bring up Isaiah 49:6 when saying Genesis 26:4 is being misinterpreted? TRIBES of Jacob... TRIBES... this pattern continues and is referenced IN THE VIDEOS I linked. Jesus went to meet the Greeks, who were not Jews, but were of Israel. If you EVER... EVER... equate Judea, Judah, Jews, with Israel you are operating from deception and in the bible this understanding... the information provided across many "reflections" aka translations that become physical imperfect documents... is unambiguous.

Jews will never speak for Israel. End of story.

[Kyanos]

 Radar 100 Watts, on 24 November 2019 - 10:51 AM, said:

... Jewish Cabal ... falsely claim to be Jews... call themselves Jews... true Jews. Black Israelites call themselves Jews...think they're Jewish ... "Jewish" last name... idiotic theory...wiki/British_Israelism...British people are the true Jews...(fyi there's no such thing as the "10 Lost Tribes")... silly ideas... metaphorical device ... synagogue of satan....pedophile rings,... organized crime ...all these conspiracies...coded phrases. ... pizza and Jews...

[Radar]

 OccludeOlga, on 22 January 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

Israel has spread invisibly through the world. As was intended.

If everyone is "Israel" then nobody is.

 OccludeOlga, on 22 January 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

The modern nation state using those letters is an administrative scam. If they had called themselves Judea there would be no problem.

"Scam" or no scam, Israel is the best thing that ever happened to the middle-east. Insulting the entire state like that is indirectly shilling for Islam.

 OccludeOlga, on 22 January 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

Ok Boomer.

Ok Coomer.

 OccludeOlga, on 22 January 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

Peterson and JR are gate keepers, and the longer you listen to them the worse their points get. If you're still listening to Peterson in current year, you might be a progressive. Rogan is like going to an amusement park. Some stuff is fun, some stuff is shit, but no matter what it wasn't worth the price you paid even if all you paid was time but you still go because it's better than watching TV.

I don't listen to either of them extensively.

 OccludeOlga, on 22 January 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

Hmmm... his ideas might be... regressive relative to progressive. His ideas might harken back to the source... not the rewrite. Hmmmmm... HMMMMM.....

His ideas are his own and certainly not God's.

>OT written almost entirely in the Hebrew language
>The patriarchs were Hebrews
>Israel are called God's chosen people
>Extensive documentation of the Israeli kingdom, captivity, and release
>All the apostles were Jewish
>Almost the entire Bible is written by Jews

According to you the message of the Bible is "Jews are bad mkay". I think you're reading the wrong book.

 OccludeOlga, on 22 January 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

Ok Radoomer.

I have been playing more Zandronum lately.

 OccludeOlga, on 22 January 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

Nobody can own the bible. The bible is the word of God, the word of God is the truth. No collection of paper with the words b i b l e on any part of it are the bible. They are tools/reflections/resources. I'll be sure to tell my bible study group at work in a heavily satanic influenced industry that we aren't reading the bible because Radar thinks he actually OWNS the word of God.

How do you know what God thinks based on no trustworthy record of His writings? Also, you might learn more if you attended a Bible study at an actual church.

 OccludeOlga, on 22 January 2020 - 09:12 AM, said:

Here is my trust level. Netanyahu=Clinton=Trump

Bait me again.

Covfefe.

EDIT: Forgot to capitalize an 'H'. Gotta give the Lord His respect.

[Radar]

 Trooper Dan, on 22 January 2020 - 11:52 AM, said:

A difficulty arises if you take that position and then weigh-in on what the bible says. If what is written down by human beings in human language is imperfect and always potentially in error, then it begs the question of how one knows what is in the bible (i.e. how one knows the actual word of god). I'm guessing you don't mean to imply that you have special insight into the mind of god. In that case, it comes down to examining and interpreting those imperfect collections of paper with words on them. But then it seems you are obligated to get down in the exegetical trenches and argue for your own interpretation, which is what Radar is trying to make you do.

The cognitive dissonance is mind boggling.

 OccludeOlga, on 22 January 2020 - 12:22 PM, said:

No, Radar is just saying "Nah dawg" and providing no counter arguments to the minutes, and HOURS of information I'm sharing via a third party.

I fully dismantled a 15 minute video without effort. You know I don't have hours to waste. I can post hours of videos I've watched too. It's a great way to avoid having to defend your position in writing.

 OccludeOlga, on 22 January 2020 - 12:22 PM, said:

Which is fine, but it doesn't carry much weight. Why doesn't Radar bring up Isaiah 49:6 when saying Genesis 26:4 is being misinterpreted? TRIBES of Jacob... TRIBES... this pattern continues and is referenced IN THE VIDEOS I linked. Jesus went to meet the Greeks, who were not Jews, but were of Israel. If you EVER... EVER... equate Judea, Judah, Jews, with Israel you are operating from deception and in the bible this understanding... the information provided across many "reflections" aka translations that become physical imperfect documents... is unambiguous.

Jews will never speak for Israel. End of story.

In Isaiah 49:6, "Tribes of Jacob" and 'Gentiles" are clearly two distinct groups. You are applying mental gymnastics to equate the two.

[Danukem]

 Radar 100 Watts, on 22 January 2020 - 02:35 PM, said:

The cognitive dissonance is mind boggling.

Whose cognitive dissonance?

[Radar]

Not yours Dan. If no collection of paper can possibly be called the Bible, then why is he talking about something that doesn't exist?

[Danukem]

 Radar 100 Watts, on 22 January 2020 - 04:30 PM, said:

Not yours Dan. If no collection of paper can possibly be called the Bible, then why is he talking about something that doesn't exist?

I'm going to play devil's god's advocate here.

He's saying that god's words do exist, but that human attempts at transscribing those words are not to be equated with the words themselves. So: God communicates some important stuff to people, then they transcribe it. Imperfection results.

[Radar]

I'm not sure if that's what Wieder is saying, but assuming it is, if the Bible is imperfect in conveying God's message then it should be discarded entirely.