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[Hank]

thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 04:26 AM, said:

I just think you ignore the context of these statements. Dude, Photonic literally equated anti-capitalism with anti-semitism, saying THEY ARE RELATED. "Confusing as they are very closely related". He's confused because by all rights he SHOULD be anti semitic as well, because god knows Jews are responsible for the horrors capitalism!

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In short if you want to cleanse this forum, you may do so.
To me this forum is like my old neighbourhood pub. Get a bier, light a cigar, say hello and shot the shit. I don't claim to be right and don't expect others to be.

thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 04:26 AM, said:

Bye now.

Best wishes, or bon voyage.

[Jimmy]

thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:12 AM, said:

except they'll ban a liberal under a false pretext just to maintain the status quo

None of the moderation staff is right wing. Dan is the closest, and he's fairly center. The right wingers you complain about are the only ones on this forum who are vocally against banning. I heavily protested JohnnyTheWolf's ban for example.

TLDR; Liberals get banned by liberals

[Danukem]

Anyway, we know exactly where it leads when you start censoring people because you think you know better than them about their own words based on assumptions about their intentions. It's no longer possible to have an open discussion at that point, because people will be censored or banned when they disagree with whoever is running the show.

thricecursed calls me naïve, as if I'm oblivious to the beliefs of people posting here. No, I'm not naïve, I accept that those beliefs exist, and I'm not so arrogant as to impose my own beliefs on them. I think Weider is a Christian who believes that Jews (or at least Jewish leadership) carry guilt for the martyrdom of Christ. That's a very common view, and while I don't agree with it for various reasons (for one I reject the concept that we are guilty for the sins of our ancestors) it should not be conflated with Holocaust denial or anti-Jewish bigotry.

thricecursed makes fun of Photonic for his statement saying that jews and capitalism are closely related, and he opposes capitalism but he's not anti-Semitic, and it can be confusing to him. Well, what of it? Maybe he's talking about the historical contributions of jews to the world of finance and how that helped capitalism along. I regard that as a positive, I guess he sees it as a negative because of his opposition to capitalism. How does that make me naïve? Note that if Photonic were banned or censored, it would essentially be due to his opposition to capitalism, since that's where his confused feelings about jews derive from. I say, let the man work it out.

The real naivette is thinking that you can start censoring people because you know better than them and that's not going to lead to totalitarianism.

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So Elizabeth Warren, with no proof, accuses Bernie Sanders of misogyny and sexist comments.
the dems can't put anybody electable on the ticket. They're either nut-job socialists, or chronic liars.

Grey man bad!
Grab 'em by the pussy and feel the Bern!

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Trooper Dan, on 14 January 2020 - 10:53 AM, said:

I think Weider is a Christian who believes that Jews (or at least Jewish leadership) carry guilt

if Photonic were banned or censored, it would essentially be due to his opposition to capitalism,

theory time:

vulture-capitalism

the jewish (relevance is left up to the reader) owned banks bought up post WWI germany like a bunch of carpetbaggers.
they directly and indirectly created resentment amoungst the natives AND directly and indirectly financed the nazi war machine.
once they got their investment returns, they left their own people to be subjugated to the cruelties of the hostile natives THEN stood on their gravestones to absorb the sympathy and "untouchable" victim status.

some people view that as anti-semitic, some view it as anti-rich assholes, some view it as both. Some people don't think there's a connection & it's all just coincidence that germany, russia, and the U.S. all got carpetbagged by the same financial institutions (that just happened to be jewish owned).

[Hendricks266]

thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:12 AM, said:

(except they'll ban a liberal under a false pretext just to maintain the status quo)

Do not tell lies about the mod staff. I banned a repeat offender who is not welcome on these forums. After doing so I received threats via Discord PM, which reinforces my position all the more.

[Aristotle Gumball]

@Hendricks - Right, but you don't know for sure. OK.

BTW, I never said the mod staff were right wing themselves. I just think it's easier to get rid of people who challenge the way things are done here than to actually change anything, but you're hardly unique in that regard.

I also never suggested outright bans or censoring. Mostly just pointed out how far right talking points get regurgitated here all the time and no one cares. The problematic individuals would leave of their own accord if they felt unwelcome, which I believe is what happened with johnnythewolf. IIRC he was never banned either.

But yeah, what else is there left to say. Good luck.

[PokeThePower]

Hendricks266, on 14 January 2020 - 11:28 AM, said:

After doing so I received threats via Discord PM, which reinforces my position all the more.

You are appreciated even when disagreed with, man.

thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 12:17 PM, said:

...far right talking points...

Hey, when you finally realize those points are pretty centrist you'll finally have fun on this planet again.

Trooper Dan, on 14 January 2020 - 10:53 AM, said:

I think Weider is a Christian who believes that Jews (or at least Jewish leadership) carry guilt for the martyrdom of Christ. That's a very common view, and while I don't agree with it for various reasons (for one I reject the concept that we are guilty for the sins of our ancestors) it should not be conflated with Holocaust denial or anti-Jewish bigotry.

I mean... ok... in a way you're correct. Judea does not equal Israel and if any blame is going to be placed at the feet of humans for the crucifixion of Christ, the tribe of Judea is the clear mark.

However, I base my responses, and choice of Jewish voices to heed, based on much more current events.

[Radar]

Trooper Dan, on 13 January 2020 - 04:20 PM, said:

It ain't the Harvard debate club

Thank God it isn't. It's better.

HorseDongSub69, on 13 January 2020 - 06:30 PM, said:

So if I wanted to I could start a group called the Ku Klux Klan of Virginia where all we do is eat Cheetos, lay on My Little Pony body pillows, and watch Barbershop on Laserdisc.

DON'T. TEMPT. ME.

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

Lol, before I go I'll let you guys in on a little secret: I know two ex members from the forum who agree with me wholeheartedly (doesn't include johnnythewolf - fuck that guy), and they would both tell me if they were the ones who took screenshots or tried in any way to discredit the site. BTW, I have no idea why "dukefan" would lie to me in private either. Even if he had evaded a previous ban I wouldn't have told anyone (bc I don't care), so he had no reason to hide.

You didn't read the whole fiasco with Adam in the Obituaries thread? Whoever he is, he's at the very least a shady and conspicuous individual. He has no reason to tell you the truth.

HorseDongSub69, on 13 January 2020 - 06:33 PM, said:

I do stand by the idea that we shouldn't have left like we did. It destabilized the entire region even more by us leaving before we almost won the war.

FREAKING THIS

thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:32 AM, said:

I was just anticipating the accusations of antisemitism if I linked two random people talking about Israel-Palestine. And I always thought that those who suffered due to the holocaust should themselves be more sensitive to things like that happening in the modern world, especially if it's being committed by members of their own ethnic group.

It's not going to work on Chomsky or Finkelstein because they're self-hating Jews.

thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:32 AM, said:

Chomsky and Finkelstein have skin in the game, they stand to lose by expressing their beliefs, and Chomsky who lived and worked in Israel (and had family there) definitely did (don't know about Finkelstein), when he spoke up against the atrocities and was permanently barred from entry. So I think their word carries a bit more weight.

They were banned from entry for being Israel haters. Why would you want to enter a country that is actively genocidal anyway? It's funny how you never hear these guys complaining about genocide in Gaza or Lebanon. iSrAeL bAd MuSlIm DiCtAtOrShIp GoOd.

thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:32 AM, said:

Chomsky's particularly known for extensively sourcing his statements and if any of you (Radar perhaps) decides to grow the fuck up and learn about what's actually going on in there, I'd like to recommend a book: https://www.amazon.c...s/dp/0896086011

Chomsky is particularly known for being nothing more than an expert linguist and commie sympathizer.

thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:43 AM, said:

Man, I love how I addressed that specific paragraph of my post directly to the admins and mods of the site and you guys start telling me how you'd all invite each other into your homes. Probably your asses too. Were you trying to say that you are in fact the owners of this website or is this really the Special Olympics? Damn, a gay joke and another retard joke. Better hand in my leftist card.

The more you post, the more you prove the reason you don't engage with this forum is because you are the one incapable of acting civil.

Trooper Dan, on 14 January 2020 - 10:53 AM, said:

thricecursed calls me naïve, as if I'm oblivious to the beliefs of people posting here. No, I'm not naïve, I accept that those beliefs exist, and I'm not so arrogant as to impose my own beliefs on them. I think Weider is a Christian who believes that Jews (or at least Jewish leadership) carry guilt for the martyrdom of Christ. That's a very common view, and while I don't agree with it for various reasons (for one I reject the concept that we are guilty for the sins of our ancestors) it should not be conflated with Holocaust denial or anti-Jewish bigotry.

It's not even a scriptural view. The Crucifixion was an achievement, not a failure. Jesus was going to die anyway, it just so happened that the Jews did it. But ALL of our sins put Him on that cross.

[Radar]

OccludeOlga, on 14 January 2020 - 12:27 PM, said:

I mean... ok... in a way you're correct. Judea does not equal Israel and if any blame is going to be placed at the feet of humans for the crucifixion of Christ, the tribe of Judea is the clear mark.

The Crucifixion is not some unsettled conflict for Christians to seek active retribution against. I don't think you get it mate.

[PokeThePower]

Radar 100 Watts, on 14 January 2020 - 12:39 PM, said:

The Crucifixion is not some unsettled conflict for Christians to seek active retribution against. I don't think you get it mate.

And this, thricecursed, is how people that are in agreement wind up conflicted for no damn good reason.

Imagine how much worse the misunderstanding is on your end. Jesus died for us. An even more inclusive version of Us than a Jordan Peele movie.

Governments still need to follow the Babylon doctrine though.

[Mark]

OccludeOlga, on 14 January 2020 - 12:27 PM, said:

Hey, when you finally realize those ( far right ) points are pretty centrist you'll finally have fun on this planet again.

+1 for that brutha

[Radar]

thricecursed, on 08 January 2020 - 03:13 AM, said:

Political discussions here really are a waste of time.

thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 04:26 AM, said:

Thanks for giving me that much. Bye now.

thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 12:17 PM, said:

But yeah, what else is there left to say. Good luck.

Are you gone yet?

[Mark]

If we make a few more rebuttle posts he'll come back for one last diatribe.

I heard somebody use the word a couple of days ago and was waiting for a chance to use it.

[PokeThePower]

Mark, on 14 January 2020 - 12:55 PM, said:

If we make a few more rebuttle posts he'll come back for one last diatribe.

Don't be such a catggler.

[Hank]

Changing the topic a little.

Anti-Christian Attacks Reach All-Time High in 2019
https://www.gateston...ristian-attacks
Violence against Christian sites is most widespread in France, where churches, schools, cemeteries and monuments are being vandalized, desecrated and burned at an average rate of three per day, according to government statistics. In Germany, attacks against Christian churches are occurring at an average rate of two per day, according to police blotters.

In Nigeria, they don't just shit on Christians, they execute them.
Over 1,000 Christians in Nigeria killed by Fulani, Boko Haram in 2019
https://www.christia...ngo-report.html
HART estimates that there have been more than 6,000 Christians killed since 2015 and as many as 12,000 displaced from their villages.

No one in the media seems to notice. I guess attacks on other religious groups are more news worthy.

[Danukem]

Hank, on 14 January 2020 - 02:30 PM, said:

No one in the media seems to notice.

In before "you found an article about it therefore it's being reported just fine"

[Hank]

Trooper Dan, on 14 January 2020 - 03:41 PM, said:

In before "you found an article about it therefore it's being reported just fine"

In before? No clue how to interpret it.

Both sources given are very much bias.
It would be better to find it in something like Die Welt or Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.

[Forge]

[Jimmy]

Trooper Dan, on 14 January 2020 - 10:53 AM, said:

No, I'm not naïve, I accept that those beliefs exist, and I'm not so arrogant as to impose my own beliefs on them.
...
The real naivette is thinking that you can start censoring people because you know better than them and that's not going to lead to totalitarianism.

People like Thrice can't accept that people can hold different beliefs. Their lives will be filled with strife until they realize this fact, which they probably never will. Furthermore, beliefs, as I've stated before, are not as concrete on the ground and in the real world. This is why you will see people like Black Muslims and White Supremacists be strange bedfellows. They're both holders of oppressed belief systems, and for whatever reason they recognize that each other exist.

Quashing a belief system only makes it grow. Case in point, flat earth. You can only defeat bad ideas with good ideas. You can't convince someone your ideas are better if you're constantly demonizing them. Most flat earthers are so adamant primarily because people who believe in science like it's a religion refuse to engage with them at all.

Forge, on 14 January 2020 - 11:11 AM, said:

theory time:

vulture-capitalism

the jewish (relevance is left up to the reader) owned banks bought up post WWI germany like a bunch of carpetbaggers.
they directly and indirectly created resentment amoungst the natives AND directly and indirectly financed the nazi war machine.
once they got their investment returns, they left their own people to be subjugated to the cruelties of the hostile natives THEN stood on their gravestones to absorb the sympathy and "untouchable" victim status.

some people view that as anti-semitic, some view it as anti-rich assholes, some view it as both. Some people don't think there's a connection & it's all just coincidence that germany, russia, and the U.S. all got carpetbagged by the same financial institutions (that just happened to be jewish owned).

Why did they abandon their own people?

thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 12:17 PM, said:

BTW, I never said the mod staff were right wing themselves. I just think it's easier to get rid of people who challenge the way things are done here than to actually change anything, but you're hardly unique in that regard.

The mod staff challenges the commoners of this forum ALL the time. They literally shove half of our threads and posts into a secret subforum. We are refugees of a dying era of the internet.

thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 12:17 PM, said:

I also never suggested outright bans or censoring. Mostly just pointed out how far right talking points get regurgitated here all the time and no one cares. The problematic individuals would leave of their own accord if they felt unwelcome, which I believe is what happened with johnnythewolf. IIRC he was never banned either.

Johnny was banned. He should not have been. This forum has had a serious problem with anything outside of the urbanite leftist portion of the Overton Window being deleted or censored in some way. Even non-political threads like legitimate threads about UFOs get quarantined. You're full of shit when you say this kind of stuff because we receive constant pushback.

Radar 100 Watts, on 14 January 2020 - 12:28 PM, said:

Thank God it isn't. It's better.

College is for idiots.

Radar 100 Watts, on 14 January 2020 - 12:28 PM, said:

DON'T. TEMPT. ME.

Come to VA, my laserdisc player is warming up for ya.

Radar 100 Watts, on 14 January 2020 - 12:28 PM, said:

It's not going to work on Chomsky or Finkelstein because they're self-hating Jews.

Thrice is a victim of typical Jew name game bullshit. The real red pill here is realizing that ethnic Jews and religious Jews are distinct yet overlapping groups that have conflicting international agendas.

Radar 100 Watts, on 14 January 2020 - 12:28 PM, said:

It's not even a scriptural view. The Crucifixion was an achievement, not a failure. Jesus was going to die anyway, it just so happened that the Jews did it. But ALL of our sins put Him on that cross.

You do forget that the Jews' incapability of following simple directions is what made Jesus necessary lmao

[Radar]

HorseDongSub69, on 14 January 2020 - 07:30 PM, said:

You do forget that the Jews' incapability of following simple directions is what made Jesus necessary lmao

What do you mean?

[Jimmy]

Just read the Old Testament my nigga.

[Radar]

I do, but the answer is found in the New:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Jesus was there even before the Jews were.

[Jimmy]

Of course he was.

[Radar]

Hey Jimmy, I actually wanted to ask you this since I know you're an expert on this topic. I've been getting into mystery/investigative YouTube channels lately (Barely Sociable is my fav so far), and I recently watched Nexpo's video about Worldcorp. Dude I watched the whole thing and at first I thought it didn't affect me, but the more I thought about it the more it creeped me out. Do you think that Worldcorp was a front for an actual pedophile ring, or was it just an amateur rap group trying to be edgelords?

[Person of Color]

I always thought that WorldCorp was part of an elite pedophile ring, and an investigator leaked it's existence to us.

[Jimmy]

It's real in some manner, I think. Most likely it was some kind of way to discredit PizzaGate while also blasting out the real videos these sick fucks actually make. They like to hide shit like this in plain view. They think it's funny.

I hate Skippy.

[PokeThePower]

Hank, on 14 January 2020 - 05:03 PM, said:

In before? No clue how to interpret it.

He was agreeing with you. Common refrain is to say "See this random article nobody ever read and was buried as fast as it was posted? The media reported on it!"

Radar 100 Watts, on 14 January 2020 - 07:46 PM, said:

What do you mean?

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

[Forge]

Person of Color, on 14 January 2020 - 09:30 PM, said:

I always thought that WorldCorp was part of an elite pedophile ring, and an investigator leaked it's existence to us.

ask the people that run rheeesetera. They know all about this kind of thing