[Aristotle Gumball]

[dukefan4evah02]

Got some catching up to do; what I'll say right now is...

ITT: Prolific members of the Duke community incessantly spewing extremist right-wing talking points
OTF(On this forum): Same said members wondering why the Duke IP seems to be dead in the water and why Randy Pitchford appears to be lacking any and all Duke-related motivation


Now there's a conspiracy theory for ya.

[Hendricks266]

dukefan4evah02, on 12 January 2020 - 12:39 PM, said:

Got some catching up to do; what I'll say right now is...

ITT: Prolific members of the Duke community incessantly spewing extremist right-wing talking points
OTF(On this forum): Same said members wondering why the Duke IP seems to be dead in the water and why Randy Pitchford appears to be lacking any and all Duke-related motivation


Now there's a conspiracy theory for ya.

If you're going to flame others with this level of bullshit, you're not going to last much longer here.

[Mark]

thricecursed, on 12 January 2020 - 10:22 AM, said:

I'm glad I could bring you some cheer.

[Hank]

Radar 100 Watts, on 11 January 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

You are the one who is misinformed. Vietnam began 9 years before the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The war started in 1955 when we were compelled to take control because the French had screwed up in that area and backed out.

Forge did not reply, here are my two cents.

Well, in this case the conflict started in 1946, when Ho Chi Minh fought the French’s colonial rule. France lost, despite US support, in 1954. Vietnam was split between Ho Chi Minh (communist) in the North and Ngo Dinh Diem (pro Western) in the South. Diem started the next feud by arresting a lot of communists. They, Viet Cong, fought back with terrorism and assassinations. By 1959, this escalated into fire fights with the southern army, and the intent to get rid of Diem's regime - the start of a new war; a guerrilla war.
Diem was assassinated in 1963 by dissident generals. Kennedy was killed a little later. Johnson knew it would look bad if the US stood by on loosing yet another country to those communists. The forces of the North, were now directly supported by China and even Russia. Still Johnson wanted to wait after the election for a counter move. Tonkin happened, before the election, and a short while later the US took over the war efforts directly, with the blessing of the Senate and Congress. Johnson won the presidency by a landslide.

... just trying to get this thread back on track.

[Forge]

I didn't reply because of the "waste of time" and the slap fight.
the fact that pre-Tonkin event only financial support, cia operatives, and military advisers were present. Combat troops didn't get sent in until after the Tonkin event. These little nuances are going to be marginalized or ignored.
plus the dem majority senate, dem majority congress, and the dem president gave the president the power to commit military troops to south east asia without congress declaring war because of that lie.
the same power clinton used to bomb kosovo
the same power obama used to drone-strike children
the same power the current dem congress is trying to strip back off of trump by bolstering the War Powers Resolution above and beyond its current restriction on presidential authority

[dukefan4evah02]

Hendricks266, on 12 January 2020 - 02:56 PM, said:

If you're going to flame others with this level of bullshit, you're not going to last much longer here.

The only part I was being semi-facetious about was it being a conspiracy theory. Why are you singling me out as a 'flamer'? You really things the personal attacks(directly solely at me) were any less objectionable?

We have those strongly suggesting that Obama is/was an illegal citizen/President, that blacks and Jews have inherent traits that cause them to violent and corrupt, and I was lambasted as a "racist" when I opined that many racists loved Donald Trump. I was also the target of numerous personal attacks/labels...but I understand that this sort of banter comes with the territory.

I'd like to know where my hypothesis falls apart. You seem like a reasonable enough chap.

This is the number one Duke fan site on the web.
Its creator really has nothing to do with it anymore(and I doubt its just due to his legal career)*.
The voice actor of Duke denounces the majority of the politics held by longtime members here.
Whether or not the far-right-wing oriented posters here are correct or incorrect they concede(erm, lament) that much of mainstream media and the entire country for that matter(look at Trump's approval rating, ffs) is inundated by clueless, brainwashed liberals.
So let's distill this to the simple fact that their personal ideologies are fringe, i.e. a small minority whom most others reject.
Even if I followed their thought patterns, my better judgment would dictate that exerting my first amendment rights would be not be within the best interests of the Duke universe.
Freedom of speech is not without consequences.

I've scouted this one out.
This issue is being discussed elsewhere on the web. Specifically, what a shithole this forum has become due to numerous "toxic members" who have overtaken the site with alt-right trolling(just reiterating what others have said, don't shoot the messenger).
Screenshots have surfaced.
Apparently, there is literally a hidden section where things are exponential worse more controversial.

Whether or not those expressing their "facts" about how the likes of my "feelz" are destroying the white race planet are true in their assertions is not my point of contention.

Like somebody mentioned above in an analogy regarding the war in Iraq, getting held up at gunpoint would justify one on the receiving end to start throwing punches. However, that doesn't make it a good idea.

Is it really that far-fetched to surmise that those who hold power over the future of Duke are reading these forums and become massively turned off? Ditto the discord server, although that's where some of the dissenting voices have coalesced.

Okay, fine...if you just wanna argue that it's because so much of the dumbed-down(yet somehow able to pull all the strings) population has yet to be 'red pilled'(and never will be), fine. But my argument still stands.

And it's not just politics-related. I've literally seen posts where Randy Pitchford is accused of storing child pornography on his flashdrive. That's slander, and the entirety of duke4 could be sued over that. I've also seen Randy's face photoshopped onto the "happy merchant" meme...can you say 'biting the hands that feed you'?


Hendricks: You are in the unenviable position of being tasked with maintaining law and order on a website where a great number of its most prominent contributors would've been outright banned on pretty much any other web community outside of stormfront. I know that might sound like a pretty scathing allegation, but I've seen screenshots from the 'private' sector of this very forum. It ain't pretty.

And I'm all for open discussions with no holds barred. But if you're going to point the finger at me as the "flamer" in the midst of all this, despite your politics aligning far more with mine...it's pretty evident where your biases fall. You think it's a coincidence that you got three positive points for that post condemning me? When was the last time you any feedback of that nature in this thread?

If people are telling me(in a very condescending manner) that the "truth hurts" after me adamantly disagreeing with their written sentiments...well, if what I introduced held no basis in reality, I wouldn't have received such a disproportionate kickback.

You really think all this is a good look for the Duke community? Okay...but I shouldn't be painted as a "flamer".

Don't allow yourself to be manipulated, Hendy.

*I'm referring to Yatta's legal career in terms of the limited free time he now has. From a purely legal standpoint(when it comes to his line of work and reputation), I wouldn't want to touch this place with a fifty-foot pole if I were him. Have you seen his ratings as a lawyer? Let's just say that I don't think he'll be including this creation of his on any resumes anytime soon.

[Mark]

(partisan yawn)... Lighten up Francis.

[dukefan4evah02]

Francis?

Well, with that brief digression(hopefully) out of the way, let me get back into some substantive musings.

Somebody said that David Duke is quite "fond of brown people these days".

Welp, since David Duke hates Jews far more than any other minority he'll be more than happy to sing the praises of Omar, Tlaib, Farrakhan, et al. to help politicize and promote his rampant antisemitism. It's very convenient for his agenda, "See? I'm not a racist after all!" But it must be killing him inside, even after he has to remind himself how vital this strategy is in combating "Jewish/Zionist supremacy".


Okay, let's also delve into what somebody else(?) stated about how in order for Trump to have been elected that pretty much half of the American public had to be racist lunatics.

1. Two words: Electoral college. Clinton won the popular vote by three million
2. I never said even the majority of Trump voters were racist nutjobs. I'm good friends with a number of Trump supporters, Being racist and being naive and/or ignorant can be two very different things.
3. Clinton was a shit candidate. Would've been a better President, but she failed to connect with the citizens and let Trump and his fake news cronies shit all over her, barely doing anything to combat their propaganda and lies.
4. The Democratic establishment that acted outside of its own best interests. So many 'Bernie Bros' either sat the election out or switched to Trump. smh
5. Potential Russian interference. But then that would just make me the conspiracy theorist, right? I'll get into that whole thing later.


More to come. This is fun. And a little bit disturbing. But I'm a big boy.

[dukefan4evah02]

Trooper Dan, on 10 January 2020 - 09:01 PM, said:

That's the way I interpreted it, and that's consistent with your other posts. Now if you were constantly swearing up a storm around here, and then suddenly decided to use the word "turd" it would have raised more eyebrows. I don't have any personal dislike for the man, but to each his own.

Plausible deniability, if it's actually plausible, should not be an issue imo. On the other hand, there are cases in which the denial is NOT plausible. For example, if someone frequently has a problem with Jews over the course of many posts, and then makes what seems to be an anti-Jewish slur... well at that point it's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Well, if someone "has a problem with Jews"...what difference would it even make if they make a "seemingly" antisemitic slur. Anyone who has a problem with Jews(in the general sense) is already antisemitic to begin with.

It's like anyone was really surprised and/or offended when that leaked audio of Richard Spencer surfaced not too long ago.

Many love to hide underneath their very weak shields of plausible deniability when their true colors(pun unintended) already scream loudly enough. They're only fooling their woefully gullible little cults and often times themselves. But everyone else just needs that cleansing(again, pun not intended) red pill so they can start seein' stuff good.

[Noddy]

Forge, on 12 January 2020 - 10:39 PM, said:

I didn't reply because of the "waste of time" and the slap fight.
the fact that pre-Tonkin event only financial support, cia operatives, and military advisers were present. Combat troops didn't get sent in until after the Tonkin event. These little nuances are going to be marginalized or ignored.
plus the dem majority senate, dem majority congress, and the dem president gave the president the power to commit military troops to south east asia without congress declaring war because of that lie.
the same power clinton used to bomb kosovo
the same power obama used to drone-strike children
the same power the current dem congress is trying to strip back off of trump by bolstering the War Powers Resolution above and beyond its current restriction on presidential authority

I'm surprised someone remembers Kosovo. In my opinion the US really created a problem, by bombing Yugoslavia at the time when the regime was about to fall, and it did a year later. The sheer amount of lies, in that conflict should have been a warning to anyone. Also, let's not forget that US and Yugoslavia were allies during both world wars, and had good relations up until 1990s. All it took was, few bad decisions, an awful regime and the relation was ruined. Hopefully, the US and now Serbian relations are recovering, but there is still some skepticism when it comes to the US.

It seems like the Dems gave all of these powers to the president, without thinking that they might lose someday. When Trump won, I remember seeing some media network (MSNBC), complaining that Trump will have the same powers as Obama, and that's a bad thing. The problem for the Dems, is that Trump is an elite, a wealthy man and cannot be bribed that easily, and also is a man from outside the party. Once he announced that he will drain the swamp, I think they went into full panic mode, and started plotting to remove him immediately. All of the secrets and shady deals, would come into the light and they cannot afford that.
I may not be an American, but I like that Trump is at least trying to do the right thing, by fighting corruption and bringing much needed change.

[Hendricks266]

dukefan4evah02, on 13 January 2020 - 06:14 AM, said:

Don't allow yourself to be manipulated, Hendy.

Sure thing, Adam. Banned.

[Forge]

Hendricks266, on 13 January 2020 - 07:30 AM, said:

Sure thing, Adam. Banned.

way to solidify your reputation at reset era

the pool of tears will be deep tonight

[Aristotle Gumball]

Hendricks266, on 13 January 2020 - 07:30 AM, said:

Sure thing, Adam. Banned.

Which parts of his posts did you find most disagreeable? For future reference.

BTW, I could see the part about Randy/Gearbox being turned off, especially since the "screenshots" have been making the rounds (if he's talking about the same ones I saw) and IF had it's fair share of controversy. But I'd be more worried about this forum's reputation and how that'll affect any future endeavors you might undertake.

[Hendricks266]

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 08:34 AM, said:

Which parts of his posts did you find most disagreeable? For future reference.

The account holder has been banned several times previously.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Uhh, okay then. I hope this is based on IP and not because he sounds similar to someone else.

[Forge]

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 08:34 AM, said:

BTW, I could see the part about Randy/Gearbox being turned off, especially since the "screenshots" have been making the rounds (if he's talking about the same ones I saw) and IF had it's fair share of controversy. But I'd be more worried about this forum's reputation and how that'll affect any future endeavors you might undertake.

offtopic, but Randy doesn't make a new duke game because of the garbage from 9 years ago & he thinks there's no money to be made. Has nothing to do with anything posted on this forum.
the only thing Randy cares about is money. If he has people monitoring this forum, it's to watch for projects he can send a C&D to, not because his fee-fees are delicate.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Forge, on 13 January 2020 - 09:13 AM, said:

Has nothing to do with anything posted on this forum.

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

Anyway as I said someone with enough posts to have access to the outhouse took screen grabs of a few "choice" posts and spread them. I was trying to tell my friend about Ion Fury and he said "don't you know who those people are?", then he linked me the image. I won't share it here in case it pisses somebody off, but maybe consider (whoever runs this site) that there could be several "silent spectators" who are actually quite opinionated, but instead of engaging in e-fights, have decided to try and ruin this site's reputation instead.

And for real, I hope you're all sure about dukefan's identity, because I've been banned over accusations of ban evasion myself. Just because a lot of different people come to the same conclusion about something doesn't mean they're all the same person.

[Kyanos]

I was radicallized into extreme procastinationalism by duke4.net

[Danukem]

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 08:48 AM, said:

Uhh, okay then. I hope this is based on IP and not because he sounds similar to someone else.

I'm not sure how Hendricks266 figured out who he was, but, IIRC Adam was banned in the past for doing bad things that had nothing to do with his political orientation. Some of it involved serious real world harassment outside of the forum.

EDIT:
Whether he was Adam or not, or whether he was trolling or not, I don't think he was entirely wrong in proposing that the forum culture here has been responsible for pushing some people away from Duke fandom. The fact is, it has been very hostile at times, and not just to people who are coming in to start a fight. I complain about it from time-to-time and try to push things in a more peaceful direction.

[Mark]

We're at page 11 of this experimental thread. Has it been a success or failure?

[Kyanos]

The proof of its successfulness is in its very existence.

To be fair, there are quite a few other factors pushing people away from the duke community.
I think the top culprits are...
1) lack of multiplayer
2) shitty ip handling
3) dnf
4) randy
5) megatons removal
6) trans rights
last) duke4.net's extreme racism

[Radar]

Mark, on 13 January 2020 - 11:51 AM, said:

We're at page 11 of this experimental thread. Has it been a success or failure?

Success.

ITT: 1 or 2 members lacking civility trying to ruin political discussion for the entire forum.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Radar 100 Watts, on 13 January 2020 - 02:13 PM, said:

Success.

Yeah, this thread wins the Special Olympics. Congratulations.

Duke4 admins & mods: I get that some of you really care about free speech in an age where everyone's calling for things to be banned, but you don't have to settle for the bottom of the barrel either. This isn't the government, you don't have to care about anybody's rights and "in the real world" people will judge you for the company you keep. Take a look around here and ask yourselves: "would I invite these people into my home?"

Don't be afraid to make difficult choices just because you're afraid of losing something in the short term, but consider the doors you'll be opening to future opportunities.

And here are two Jews who think that what's going on in Israel is akin to genocide:





Peace.

Edit: Adding this testimony of an ex-IDF soldier.

[Danukem]

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 04:03 PM, said:

Don't be afraid to make difficult choices just because you're afraid of losing something in the short term, but consider the doors you'll be opening to future opportunities.

So who are you gunning for, buddy? Forge? Radar? All I know is it's someone that you wouldn't invite to dinner. That could be anyone around here.

It ain't the Harvard debate club, but this thread is within the norms I would expect from a moderated but free-speech-friendly forum. I'm not making any claims about older threads. It's a new year.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Trooper Dan, on 13 January 2020 - 04:20 PM, said:

All I know is it's someone that you wouldn't invite to dinner.

Nah, it's not about me, it's about you and whoever else considers themselves responsible for Duke4.net

But, I suppose if this is within your norms, then you're also part of the problem. On page one you've got a person quoting the fucking Protocols. Then look at who has the lion's share of upvotes in this place - It's your POC's, your Jimmy's, your Radar's, etc. No other forum would tolerate people like that, but here they get massively upvoted (or whatever the term is). It shows what the prevailing values are. I feel like you're honestly really naive and believe when people tell you things directly, when every so often you catch a glimpse of what they really think. Sure, call me paranoid, whatever. I'm not expecting to get anywhere with this.

Don't you notice how you're always interrogating people on their bordering-on-bigoted statements (if not outright bigoted in the outhouse), and when you ask to clarify, they make up some bullshit story just to keep the charade going? It's like a mother trying to stop her kids from getting into trouble, so you force them to make a promise that they'll be good. It's for your own peace of mind (and perhaps sense of duty, lol) and accomplishes nothing in reality. Sometimes the kids need boot camp/a boot in the ass. The whole vibe of this place just screams "alt right haven" and I'm faaar from the only one who thinks this.

I mean either you and others are actually on board with this kind of "n****r skull ventilation, let's invade other countries, yay religion, yay jewish conspiracies" type of talk or you're just really naive and cowardly to do anything about it.

Lol, before I go I'll let you guys in on a little secret: I know two ex members from the forum who agree with me wholeheartedly (doesn't include johnnythewolf - fuck that guy), and they would both tell me if they were the ones who took screenshots or tried in any way to discredit the site. BTW, I have no idea why "dukefan" would lie to me in private either. Even if he had evaded a previous ban I wouldn't have told anyone (bc I don't care), so he had no reason to hide.

[Danukem]

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

Nah, it's not about me, it's about you and whoever else considers themselves responsible for Duke4.net

But, I suppose if this is within your norms, then you're also part of the problem. On page one you've got a person quoting the fucking Protocols. Then look at who has the lion's share of upvotes in this place - It's your POC's, your Jimmy's, your Radar's, etc.

When Photonic used those quotes, he was immediately admonished for it by Radar (one of "my" POC's) for trolling with the fraudulent texts. Then life went on. So that's a weak example. It's also the only recent one that I'm aware of.

Upvotes are largely a function of who posts the most, and a lot of those upvotes are from posting random stuff like funny gifs (i.e. most of Forge's posts). The points are meaningless and everyone knows it (except you apparently).

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

Don't you notice how you're always interrogating people on their bordering-on-bigoted statements (if not outright bigoted in the outhouse), and when you ask to clarify, they make up some bullshit story just to keep the charade going? It's like a mother trying to stop her kids from getting into trouble, so you force them to make a promise that they'll be good. It's for your own peace of mind (and perhaps sense of duty, lol) and accomplishes nothing in reality.

I've been made an ass of a few times because I either tried to ban someone or advocated banning them, and then nothing happened. (There have been discussions in the admin forum). The problem isn't quite what you think. It's not that moderators are "on board" with horrible statements, it's that the forum was founded on a premise of being a free speech zone, and there's a battle between wanting to keep it that way, and wanting to enforce standards. I'm on the side of enforcing some minimal standards, but I don't actually have the power to do so in any meaningful way, so we end up in situations where I look weak or complicit. I want to stress though, that you are reaching back in time for those examples.

[Jimmy]

OccludeOlga, on 07 January 2020 - 08:31 AM, said:

Trying to approach the friction caused by Blacks and Jews in New York from both an individual AND a demographic personality problem is called white supremacy.

This video is fucking hilarious to me.
"Tried to kill them off with crack. Never quite prepared for when untouchables touch back. New Rome is falling; Let's dance! The pets... the pets... the pets... Pets eat their master." - Jello Biafra

Radar 100 Watts, on 07 January 2020 - 01:03 PM, said:

David Duke has been quite fond of brown people lately.

David Duke is COINTELPRO. All major "white supremacist" figures are controlled opposition. Here's what they won't tell you. The Ku Klux Klan does not formally exist. It was dissolved in 1944 when the IRS put a large lien on them that they could not pay off. What does this mean? Previously they had complete control of the KKK name. They had control over every chapter. They were just like any other fraternal organization. But after they dissolved legally, anyone could use their name. So if I wanted to I could start a group called the Ku Klux Klan of Virginia where all we do is eat Cheetos, lay on My Little Pony body pillows, and watch Barbershop on Laserdisc. It's a bogeyman, and anyone could PRETEND to be the KKK for socio-political reasons, where before they formally dissolved anyone found to be using the name without permission could be sued or pursued in some matter. They're not a real organization anymore. THE KKK DOES NOT EXIST.

Forge, on 07 January 2020 - 02:50 PM, said:

i wasn't trying to imply that the spending should be cut in response to reduced tax intake.
i was suggesting something I feel is better. Reduce government spending at the same rate as tax reduction.
Cut the fat for a leaner, trimmmer, healthier government.
Reducing tax intake AND increasing government spending over natural growth is not wise.

dukefan4evah02, on 09 January 2020 - 02:59 PM, said:

He did when Obama's birth certificate was finally made public, and his position thus became untenable. But some other guy was saying that it was Photoshopped as a FACT. Do you agree with that?

The formally released version of Obama's birth certificate is a fraudulent document. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE WASN'T BORN IN HAWAII. But what they released is a faked document. Why did they do this? Occam's Razor just says government incompetence, there's no need for conspiracy theories. However their incompetence invites these conspiracies.

Trooper Dan, on 09 January 2020 - 09:38 PM, said:

Being justified is not the same as being a good idea. If a man with a gun wants my money, I am justified in fighting back with my fists. But I would be a fool to do so.

And you'd be a coward not to.

Radar 100 Watts, on 10 January 2020 - 08:41 AM, said:

I personally just find the whole "War is bad mkay. Our troops should have stayed home since 1945." to be fairly shortsighted and lazy reasoning. Millions of lives were saved because of US intervention in Korea, Chile, pre-revolution Iran, etc. People also have the tendency to view a war as "unjustified" just because we lost, instead of looking at the full context of the millions of lives we were trying to save. Ironically enough, this is something you'd think the left would understand better due to their self-less empathy for the plight of others, but they're even more anti-war as a consequence of their fascination with communism and authoritarianism. According to the left, atrocities only occur within America's borders. But other countries just have their own cUlTuRe. Don't you know Soleimani was an austere religious scholar? Clown world, man.

And btw, regarding the Gulf of Tonkin incident, nobody is saying atrocities aren't a component of war. The difference is, atrocities at home aren't the only ones worth fighting for.

I actually agree with this. I am a man of duality. I am anti-war primarily, but I do believe war is necessary. All men must kill, it is instinctual.
My problem with most of these wars is that we pussyfoot. You can't kill people "nicely". That is what Obama tried to do. We need to strike hard, strike fast, and strike heavy. Kill them all.

Kill for peace. War forever.

Hendricks266, on 10 January 2020 - 05:23 PM, said:

We armed the Mujahideen in Afghanistan against a moderate democratic state just to piss on the Soviets. How well did that turn out for us in 2001?

It turned out great for the deep state that planned it.

Radar 100 Watts, on 11 January 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

You're right. These countries cannot be trusted with Democracy or they will elect terrorist regimes as seen with the rise of Hamas and Hezbollah. The best option is to back dictators who will allow their population to live in relative peace and economic freedom, who also back the interests of America. But then those same anti-war Americans will criticize our relationship with Saudi Arabia or Pinochet. There's really no way to make an isolationist happy because any foreign policy action is unwarranted based on principle of it existing.

Pinochet was a fucking baller.

What people refuse to believe is that the world is a bad place. Westerners are spoiled by virtue of our high trust, low violence societies.

"Women have it rough in third world countries. Why? ... Do we know why? Could it be a bunch of nonsensical [feminist] bullshit and mental gymnastics? Or could it be that you're in a country surrounded by savages, with the average IQ of fucking 75? What do we think it is? Could it be every explanation in the world? Every possible strange explanation? 'No, it's counter-intuitive! It's actually, well you don't understand what it is, it's because they have a long route to school, they have to walk to school, and they're culturalized to marriages and all that!' Or is it because they're surrounded by retarded murderers? It's because they're surrounded by retarded murderers. That's how the rest of the world is. The world is not a friendly place. It will never be a friendly place as long as there are retarded murderers. And the only way to get rid of them, is to get rid of them. You're not going to socialize them and make them [friendly.] 'Oh its just because they didn't have enough school!' No, it's because they're retarded murderers. That's the way it's been for thousands of years." - Sam Hyde

[Jimmy]

Radar 100 Watts, on 11 January 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

Mexico is not an open threat to the United States via the forces of Communism or Islamic terrorism.

It is because of the cartels though. I expect American military intervention in the next ten years. It's time to kill them all. Annex Mexico. Fuck it. They wanna be Americans, right?

Radar 100 Watts, on 11 January 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

You are the one who is misinformed. Vietnam began 9 years before the Gulf of Tonkin incident. The war started in 1955 when we were compelled to take control because the French had screwed up in that area and backed out.

Gulf of Tonkin was just how they got people to go along with it. I disagree with the false pretenses, but I do stand by the idea that we shouldn't have left like we did. It destabilized the entire region even more by us leaving before we almost won the war. The Left betrayed our country. Fuck Jane Fonda.

Radar 100 Watts, on 11 January 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

I also heard Saddam was a great man who loved children and pets. He will be deeply missed.

Saddam was cool as shit. Americans who guarded him all became enamored by him. He bought thousands of Playstation 2s and gave them to people as gifts and kept them in all of his palaces. lmao

Radar 100 Watts, on 11 January 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

Keep in mind that Pinochet is considered one of the worst right-wing dictators. Even survivors in Chile had the benefit of living in a country with economic freedom in the most basic sense.

Because text books are written by limp wristed commies. Physical removal is absolutely necessary for any libertarian society to exist. Read more Hoppe. The Non-Aggression Principle is commie subversion. "Talk shit, get shot." - Ice T is a much more fitting principle for Libertarianism.

Trooper Dan, on 11 January 2020 - 06:52 PM, said:

@Radar: remember you started this thread because you wanted to have a political discussion in the public part of the forum. You may not like being called a basement dweller, but it's not surprising when you do stuff like call the entire continent of Europe incompetent, which naturally Europeans are going to take umbrage with. As a defense, you could say that one is impersonal and the other is personal. But right now I'm trying to appeal to common sense, rather than forum rules. Ever heard of malicious compliance? [It's fun but it doesn't make friends]

Europeans tend to have a tenuous relationship with the truth. It's not Radar's fault. In Radar's defense, ThriceCursed is a beautiful young man of friendship. Which isn't an insult I promise.

[Jimmy]

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 04:03 PM, said:

Duke4 admins & mods: I get that some of you really care about free speech in an age where everyone's calling for things to be banned, but you don't have to settle for the bottom of the barrel either. This isn't the government, you don't have to care about anybody's rights and "in the real world" people will judge you for the company you keep. Take a look around here and ask yourselves: "would I invite these people into my home?"

Oh shut the fuck up, nigga. I'd invite literally anyone on Duke4.net into my home because I'm not a sissy and I enjoy social engagement. Judging people by the company they keep is for the worthless and weak. I have friends who are communists, nazis, Hillary supporters, hell, even one of my friends is a black nationalist. We have an Archie Bunker/George Jefferson dynamic. We have barbecues all the time and I'm usually the only white dude at his art shows. I used to let him sleep on my girlfriends house when gang violence in his neighborhood got out of control, even when I wasn't in town. We're just tight like that. With my nazi friends, I expose them to cool shit like Thin Lizzy or Blazing Saddles. I like that these people think differently from me. I don't have to like their ideologies to like their company. Because if you actually got outside like you claim you do, you would know that most people are in contradiction to their beheld ideologies quite frequently. And only by engaging with them can we make them shed their most irrational beliefs. Shuttering them off only allows their echo chamber to continue.

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 04:03 PM, said:

Don't be afraid to make difficult choices just because you're afraid of losing something in the short term, but consider the doors you'll be opening to future opportunities.

The difficult choice is engaging with freedom. Fuck you.

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

Nah, it's not about me, it's about you and whoever else considers themselves responsible for Duke4.net

But, I suppose if this is within your norms, then you're also part of the problem. On page one you've got a person quoting the fucking Protocols.

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

Then look at who has the lion's share of upvotes in this place - It's your POC's, your Jimmy's, your Radar's, etc.

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

No other forum would tolerate people like that, but here they get massively upvoted (or whatever the term is). It shows what the prevailing values are. I feel like you're honestly really naive and believe when people tell you things directly, when every so often you catch a glimpse of what they really think. Sure, call me paranoid, whatever. I'm not expecting to get anywhere with this.

ITT: Thrice pretends this forum is worse than Storm Front.

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

Don't you notice how you're always interrogating people on their bordering-on-bigoted statements (if not outright bigoted in the outhouse), and when you ask to clarify, they make up some bullshit story just to keep the charade going? It's like a mother trying to stop her kids from getting into trouble, so you force them to make a promise that they'll be good. It's for your own peace of mind (and perhaps sense of duty, lol) and accomplishes nothing in reality. Sometimes the kids need boot camp/a boot in the ass. The whole vibe of this place just screams "alt right haven" and I'm faaar from the only one who thinks this.

PLS BAN PEOPLE I DO NOT LIKE

thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

Lol, before I go I'll let you guys in on a little secret: I know two ex members from the forum who agree with me wholeheartedly

No one fucking cares.

Trooper Dan, on 13 January 2020 - 05:48 PM, said:

I've been made an ass of a few times because I either tried to ban someone or advocated banning them, and then nothing happened. (There have been discussions in the admin forum). The problem isn't quite what you think. It's not that moderators are "on board" with horrible statements, it's that the forum was founded on a premise of being a free speech zone, and there's a battle between wanting to keep it that way, and wanting to enforce standards. I'm on the side of enforcing some minimal standards, but I don't actually have the power to do so in any meaningful way, so we end up in situations where I look weak or complicit. I want to stress though, that you are reaching back in time for those examples.

Dude, you're fine. Don't beat yourself up because our good friend stood up to Donald Trump's violence.