[Radar]

 thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 04:03 PM, said:

Duke4 admins & mods: I get that some of you really care about free speech in an age where everyone's calling for things to be banned, but you don't have to settle for the bottom of the barrel either. This isn't the government, you don't have to care about anybody's rights and "in the real world" people will judge you for the company you keep. Take a look around here and ask yourselves: "would I invite these people into my home?"

Well considering this forum has a number of folks who share phone numbers, text/call each other, have actually met each other in real life, etc. I'm sure many of us would invite each other into our homes. You obviously aren't aware of this but folks like Jimmy and Evan have been close friends for at least a decade. Just because we use this forum to vent about politics doesn't mean we all hate each other.

 thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 04:03 PM, said:

Don't be afraid to make difficult choices just because you're afraid of losing something in the short term, but consider the doors you'll be opening to future opportunities.

NeoGAF part III?

 thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 04:03 PM, said:

And here are two Jews who think that what's going on in Israel is akin to genocide:

Chomsky and Finkelstein are as Jewish as a lapsed Catholic is Christian.

 thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

Nah, it's not about me, it's about you and whoever else considers themselves responsible for Duke4.net

We should all take responsibility. MAKE DUKE4.NET GREAT AGAIN

 thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

But, I suppose if this is within your norms, then you're also part of the problem. On page one you've got a person quoting the fucking Protocols. Then look at who has the lion's share of upvotes in this place - It's your POC's, your Jimmy's, your Radar's, etc. No other forum would tolerate people like that, but here they get massively upvoted (or whatever the term is). It shows what the prevailing values are. I feel like you're honestly really naive and believe when people tell you things directly, when every so often you catch a glimpse of what they really think. Sure, call me paranoid, whatever. I'm not expecting to get anywhere with this.

Guilt by association? You should communicate directly with the individual who posted those. The rest of us were clear on our stance that the Protocols are fraudulent.

 thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

Don't you notice how you're always interrogating people on their bordering-on-bigoted statements (if not outright bigoted in the outhouse), and when you ask to clarify, they make up some bullshit story just to keep the charade going? It's like a mother trying to stop her kids from getting into trouble, so you force them to make a promise that they'll be good. It's for your own peace of mind (and perhaps sense of duty, lol) and accomplishes nothing in reality. Sometimes the kids need boot camp/a boot in the ass. The whole vibe of this place just screams "alt right haven" and I'm faaar from the only one who thinks this.

Folks who call this place an "alt-right heaven" think Hillary Clinton is "center-right" so who the hell cares.

 thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

I mean either you and others are actually on board with this kind of "n****r skull ventilation, let's invade other countries, yay religion, yay jewish conspiracies" type of talk or you're just really naive and cowardly to do anything about it.

[Kyanos]

 thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

wall of text

I'm anti-capitalist, not anti-semetic, confuses the shit out of myself sometimes though the two are very closely related.

[Mark]

thricesursed said: ..."The whole vibe of this place just screams "alt right haven" ...

The choir is all here. Lets start preaching.

[Forge]

step 1: calls everyone alt-right retards
step 2: suggests getting rid of the toxic people here and replacing them with the more "real-world" crowd. The crowd that supports and encourages the act of calling people they disagree with alt-right retards
step 3: ????
step 4: flawless logic. profit.

[Mark]

and who is this mysterious Dr. Panico always lurking here?

[PokeThePower]

 thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 08:48 AM, said:

Uhh, okay then. I hope this is based on IP and not because he sounds similar to someone else.

You seriously couldn't tell? I did one test and based on the response clapped out.

 thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 04:03 PM, said:

And here are two Jews who think...

Two Jews who think? Cool... I got two too...
https://www.youtube....jQdIXfZQ/videos
https://www.bitchute...l/5JDpIfy88ekR/

[Dr.Panico]

 Mark, on 13 January 2020 - 07:47 PM, said:

and who is this mysterious Dr. Panico always lurking here?

Oh, don't mind me. I have this kind of attraction towards politically volatile topics. Just an spectator.

[Jimmy]

I'm calling the police.

[Radar]

You mean the POL-HEE HEE -ICE

[PokeThePower]

Spoiler

 OccludeOlga, on 07 January 2020 - 10:08 AM, said:

If you take one thing away from this conversation know this: Almost everyone you are disagreeing with once believed as you did. Therefore only one side of this conversation actually understands both points of view.

 dukefan4evah02, on 08 January 2020 - 07:47 AM, said:

I found this to be particularly absurd/amusing.

To bring the reply full circle for lurkers which are really who all these threads are really for...

 dukefan4evah02, on 08 January 2020 - 07:47 AM, said:

Hypothetically speaking, if someone grows up believing that world is round and then gets brainwashed by flat earthers...his converted beliefs are of higher credulity because he used to buy into all that dumb (pseudo)scientific mumbo-jumbo?

Someone spends 1/3rd of their 6-18 year life being told to answer by every authority around them one way, without being provided counter perspectives, or suffer. They then somehow find flat earth discussions online despite the mega censorship of something so stupid and think "There might be some problems with the standard model"... yes, they understand both sides of the discussion better than someone who has only ever heard/thought about/perceived one perspective. They are almost always better equipped to prove the round earth than round earth religionistas.

 dukefan4evah02, on 08 January 2020 - 07:47 AM, said:

So if a reformed Neo-Nazi(e.g. Christian Picciolini, Derek White; please try not to get triggered by my fake news sources) were to say the same thing in denouncing someone who shared your exact views, albeit from birth...would that automatically grant them higher stature?

Yes I would say that Derek has a better grasp of both sides of the discussion than someone who has never wondered whether the German population of the 1930's, and the larpers that followed, possibly have something to say even if it's being poorly said.

 dukefan4evah02, on 08 January 2020 - 07:47 AM, said:

Making a purely anecdotal claim of that sort reeks of classic alt-right debate tactics. Deflect from the real issues, avoid substance at all costs, throw out deceptive number and statistics, make fantastical claims...but sound impressive and authoritative enough to garner positive attention and a cult following.

https://www.amazon.c...t/dp/9527065682

 dukefan4evah02, on 08 January 2020 - 07:47 AM, said:

Either that, or Charlie just be trollin'(again).

[Radar]

[Forge]

 HorseDongSub69, on 13 January 2020 - 09:00 PM, said:

Whether I can say whatever the fuck I want in public is, likewise, inconsequential to whether I will say whatever the fuck I want.

i agree
but continuing to do so will just get the thread thrown into the pit with the rest of the good stuff.

as a side, kinda surprised the thread made it this long before somebody got their fee-fees melted and tried to threaten/insult everyone and the existence of this forum.

note to self: Duke4 is the reason Randy stays awake in bed at night.

[Danukem]

 thricecursed, on 13 January 2020 - 04:03 PM, said:

Yeah, this thread wins the Special Olympics. Congratulations.

I just removed 3 posts (not the one quoted). Between that and edits that I noticed, the standard of discussion has now been brought back up to the Special Olympics standard that thricecrused congratulated us for. To be honest, he's being generous. Unless, of course, he was making a slur against people with disabilities. But I'm sure he wouldn't do that, because that's precisely the sort of thing that he criticizes. He's better than that.

[Forge]

 Trooper Dan, on 13 January 2020 - 10:30 PM, said:

He's better than that.

he was directly replying to Radar

press X for doubt

[Jimmy]

>only leftists are allowed benefit of the doubt

[Danukem]

Wait, did my sarcasm go undetected?

[Forge]

 Trooper Dan, on 13 January 2020 - 11:11 PM, said:

Wait, did my sarcasm go undetected?

*subtle nuances of emphasis get lost in translation over a text based medium

[Aristotle Gumball]

 Trooper Dan, on 13 January 2020 - 05:48 PM, said:

When Photonic used those quotes, he was immediately admonished for it by Radar (one of "my" POC's) for trolling with the fraudulent texts. Then life went on. So that's a weak example. It's also the only recent one that I'm aware of.

I've been made an ass of a few times because I either tried to ban someone or advocated banning them, and then nothing happened. (There have been discussions in the admin forum). The problem isn't quite what you think. It's not that moderators are "on board" with horrible statements, it's that the forum was founded on a premise of being a free speech zone, and there's a battle between wanting to keep it that way, and wanting to enforce standards. I'm on the side of enforcing some minimal standards, but I don't actually have the power to do so in any meaningful way, so we end up in situations where I look weak or complicit. I want to stress though, that you are reaching back in time for those examples.

Yeah, admonished by "Radar". And Photonic was "trolling", of course. Why yes - naturally. It's more like, why bring that up in the first place? You have these idiots here constantly bring up subjects that by themselves show the kind of shit they're thinking about on a daily basis and then backpedal or say "it was just a joke, bro". That's what I'm saying. Look at the overall tendencies and attitudes.

"Reaching back in time" - yeah little Bobby talked about killing blacks 5 months ago and damn near everyone agreed that the Jews can't be trusted, but since they haven't talked about that recently, things are a-OK now. Lmao. The images that were taken from here specifically show instances from several weeks/months back, that's why I brought them up. You can't use the argument that "things are different now" when these same people who don't really change their minds (because it's a waste of time) still hang out here.

But OK, I see this is pointless - your hands are tied and no one really cares (except they'll ban a liberal under a false pretext just to maintain the status quo). At least you cared to try!

[PokeThePower]

 thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:12 AM, said:

...ban a liberal...

He isn't liberal.

EDIT: Oh come on, you didn't even try to watch my Jews. Seems racist and anti Semitic and anti self determination.

[Aristotle Gumball]

I was just anticipating the accusations of antisemitism if I linked two random people talking about Israel-Palestine. And I always thought that those who suffered due to the holocaust should themselves be more sensitive to things like that happening in the modern world, especially if it's being committed by members of their own ethnic group. Chomsky and Finkelstein have skin in the game, they stand to lose by expressing their beliefs, and Chomsky who lived and worked in Israel (and had family there) definitely did (don't know about Finkelstein), when he spoke up against the atrocities and was permanently barred from entry. So I think their word carries a bit more weight. Chomsky's particularly known for extensively sourcing his statements and if any of you (Radar perhaps) decides to grow the fuck up and learn about what's actually going on in there, I'd like to recommend a book: https://www.amazon.c...s/dp/0896086011

But oh no, we're reaching back into the distant past of 1986 to tell us something about today. Don't worry, it's only gotten worse since then.

@Charlie - here's something by your favorite.

[Aristotle Gumball]

 Radar 100 Watts, on 13 January 2020 - 06:50 PM, said:

Well considering this forum has a number of folks who share phone numbers, text/call each other, have actually met each other in real life, etc. I'm sure many of us would invite each other into our homes. You obviously aren't aware of this but folks like Jimmy and Evan have been close friends for at least a decade. Just because we use this forum to vent about politics doesn't mean we all hate each other.

Man, I love how I addressed that specific paragraph of my post directly to the admins and mods of the site and you guys start telling me how you'd all invite each other into your homes. Probably your asses too. Were you trying to say that you are in fact the owners of this website or is this really the Special Olympics? Damn, a gay joke and another retard joke. Better hand in my leftist card.

[PokeThePower]

 thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:32 AM, said:

And I always thought that those who suffered due to the holocaust...

Perhaps they didn't suffer in the way you're trying to salvage?

 thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:32 AM, said:

....should themselves be more sensitive to things like that happening in the modern world, especially if it's being committed by members of their own ethnic group.

 thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:32 AM, said:

Chomsky and Finkelstein have skin in the game, they stand to lose by expressing their beliefs,

 thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:32 AM, said:

@Charlie - here's something by your favorite.

I haven't cared for a long time what that person thinks who was abused as a child by her parents for profit. Doesn't mean I disagree (or agree) with that specific statement, but she's an apparatchik.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Hahahaha, Dan - for real, mate? Now you've got Wiederhold trying to deny the holocaust, or the severity of it, while doubting the sincere intentions of those who stand up to genocidal maniacs, on top of yet another Jewish conspiracy post?

 OccludeOlga, on 14 January 2020 - 02:44 AM, said:

Perhaps they didn't suffer in the way you're trying to salvage?

 Photonic, on 13 January 2020 - 07:00 PM, said:

I'm anti-capitalist, not anti-semetic, confuses the shit out of myself sometimes though the two are very closely related.

Again - this is the company you keep...

[PokeThePower]

There's no lack of historical record of Jewish leadership voluntarily sacrificing their own. They literally wrote the book on it.

This means "suffering" from the event is complicated.

[Danukem]

 thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:12 AM, said:

Yeah, admonished by "Radar". And Photonic was "trolling", of course. Why yes - naturally. It's more like, why bring that up in the first place? You have these idiots here constantly bring up subjects that by themselves show the kind of shit they're thinking about on a daily basis and then backpedal or say "it was just a joke, bro". That's what I'm saying. Look at the overall tendencies and attitudes.

I have no idea whether Photonic was trolling by quoting the Protocols (that was Radar's assumption). Are you saying he should have been banned immediately? He says he's an anti-capitalist but not anti-Semitic. Honestly it doesn't seem worth pursuing. Someone quotes a bad source, they get called on it, the discussion moves on.

The stuff about the screenshots is a whole different topic. There have been what I regard as some horrible posts in a restricted area of the forum. I'm not going to sit here and apologize for posts I don't approve of by people I don't control in a private restricted forum. I have done what I could to make things better, at least in the public space, however ineffectively.

 thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:12 AM, said:

But OK, I see this is pointless - your hands are tied and no one really cares (except they'll ban a liberal under a false pretext just to maintain the status quo).

Are you referring to dukefan4evah? That's not at all what happened, nor does that even make sense. But Hendricks266 can explain this if he likes.

[Danukem]

 thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 02:50 AM, said:

Again - this is the company you keep...

Let's get something straight. I'm not "keeping company" here. I work a full time job, I have a family, and I have a game modding hobby that I'm passionate about. My role as a moderator here came about because of my contributions to the modding scene. I will occasionally delve into discussions and try to steer them in a better direction, or just offer my opinion. If I'm being directly criticized, then naturally I will pay more attention than usual. When I'm acting in a moderating role, I'm usually doing so in the publicly visible part of the forum. I'm looking for personal attacks, incendiary epithets, and the like. You crying "Holocaust Denial!" because of Weider's musings about "complicated" suffering is a personal attack on him based on your radical reading of his post. It's clear that he's not a fan of historical Jewish leadership, but I see no evidence whatsoever that he denies the events of the Holocaust happened.

EDIT: And just to be clear, yes I think it sounds bad to suggest that suffering from the Holocaust is somehow "complicated" in the way alluded to. Still does not mean he can't say it.

I'm led to conclude that you would not only censor someone who explicitly articulates bad things, but also those who you think believe said bad things, whether they say them or not.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Well, I'm not just "criticizing" you, but whoever actually pays the bills around here and has the final say, as I wrote in a previous post. You're doing alright given the circumstances. Naivety isn't a crime.

I just think you ignore the context of these statements. Dude, Photonic literally equated anti-capitalism with anti-semitism, saying THEY ARE RELATED. "Confusing as they are very closely related". He's confused because by all rights he SHOULD be anti semitic as well, because god knows Jews are responsible for the horrors capitalism!

re: Weider's statement. Nope, not a radical interpretation. No sane person would've responded to my post that way outside of Stormfront (yup). Finkelstein lost his family in the holocaust. Seriously, what kind of despicable cunt writes this sort of trite? He's applying his prejudice on an individual basis, "because they're all the same", like a true bigot would. Always careful however to word things in such a way that he could maintain plausible deniability.

Why not just watch the fucking videos instead of perpetuating your insipid delusions?

 Trooper Dan, on 14 January 2020 - 03:53 AM, said:

EDIT: And just to be clear, yes I think it sounds bad to suggest that suffering from the Holocaust is somehow "complicated" in the way alluded to. Still does not mean he can't say it.

Thanks for giving me that much. Bye now.

[PokeThePower]

 Trooper Dan, on 14 January 2020 - 03:53 AM, said:

EDIT: And just to be clear, yes I think it sounds bad to suggest that suffering from the Holocaust is somehow "complicated" in the way alluded to. Still does not mean he can't say it.

 thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 04:26 AM, said:

Thanks for giving me that much. Bye now.

To me the refusal to acknowledge that wealthy non-germanic Jewish people who had a bigger plan that predated the war deliberately put their own people in as much harms way as possible is the vile denial.

How that harm was carried out (systemic plan or devastated infrastructure at the end of a war) makes no difference. That after peace was declared, there was "another one" well documented and militarily executed on the Germans by the Allies, makes no difference. That one of the Allies (Russia) was the greatest murderer of others and their own people, makes no difference.

You (thricecursed) don't understand. I consider you the holocaust denier and your perspective (especially given some of your links about Israel) contributing to the increasing risk to normal Jewish people living around the world.

 thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 04:26 AM, said:

Why not just watch the fucking videos instead of perpetuating your insipid delusions?

It's obvious you haven't watched them otherwise you would understand why I linked them.

Don't tell someone to do something you won't.

 thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 04:26 AM, said:

He's applying his prejudice on an individual basis, "because they're all the same", like a true bigot would.

Yeah, when I was ready to marry that Jewish girl, or had her brother living with me for years, I woke up every day and said to them "You're no different than international globalist money changers!!!"

[Aristotle Gumball]

 OccludeOlga, on 14 January 2020 - 05:56 AM, said:

Yeah, when I was ready to marry that Jewish girl, or had her brother living with me for years, I woke up every day and said to them "You're no different than international globalist money changers!!!"

https://rationalwiki...Friend_argument

 OccludeOlga, on 14 January 2020 - 05:56 AM, said:

It's obvious you haven't watched them otherwise you would understand why I linked them.

Jews for Hitler sounds legit, I must admit.

[PokeThePower]

Marriage proposal and long term roommates go a bit beyond friendship.

 thricecursed, on 14 January 2020 - 06:33 AM, said:

Jews for Hitler sounds legit, I must admit.

He is. You can watch the David vs Whore of Babylon video if you like... he spends most of that talking about the problems with Zionist Christianity.