[icecoldduke]

So I'm getting ready to release the one level demo. Currently I have modified the ngzoo(e1l1) map directly rather then using map hacks, is there a automated process to generate a map hack based on map deltas?

[Spiker]

Worst thing about maphacks is that they rely on sector numer but when you make changes to a map those change so the maphacks become useless for other versions of the map.

[icecoldduke]

Spiker, on 01 July 2016 - 11:57 AM, said:

Worst thing about maphacks is that they rely on sector numer but when you make changes to a map those change so the maphacks become useless for other versions of the map.

Maybe what I'll just do is get a couple more features in and I'll make a small map from scratch and use that as the one level test.

[Danukem]

icecoldduke, on 01 July 2016 - 12:47 PM, said:

Maybe what I'll just do is get a couple more features in and I'll make a small map from scratch and use that as the one level test.

Why not just release it with a modified version of E1L1? I thought the main point was to show how cool E1L1 will look with the new renderer. If you are going to open the door for other maps, there about a zillion other possible maps you could use.

[icecoldduke]

Trooper Dan, on 01 July 2016 - 12:59 PM, said:

Why not just release it with a modified version of E1L1? I thought the main point was to show how cool E1L1 will look with the new renderer. If you are going to open the door for other maps, there about a zillion other possible maps you could use.

Releasing a modified version of E1L1 would be distributing copyrighted material. Can someone guarantee Gearbox won't come after me . I might look into other user maps and see what I can find, but I kinda like the idea of making one from scratch just to show off specific features of PolymerNG.

[Tea Monster]

Just release E1L1. It's a known quantity for everyone and provides a 'real world' test case for features.

[icecoldduke]

Tea Monster, on 01 July 2016 - 01:08 PM, said:

Just release E1L1. It's a known quantity for everyone and provides a 'real world' test case for features.

I have a build prepped with the modified E1L1, its ready to be distributed but I would like some confirmation that Gearbox won't come after me if I just release the map. What do you think TX or Hendricks? My first instinct is I can't release it without a manually making a map hack which I probably won't do and won't scale in the long term.

[Tea Monster]

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[oasiz]

I somehow recall that buildhlp for duke mentioned that you can use the stock maps as a base for your own maps as long as it only works on the retail version (not shareware)... This of course includes distribution.
Maybe someone can confirm this ?

[icecoldduke]

I have updated the public PolymerNG github repository to P4 rev 395. This includes all of the per pixel lighting work, and various fixes I have done. This is in prep for the one level release, when I can figure out if I will get sued or not releasing the modified map .

So you guys know this is a PERFORMANCE TEST ONLY. I want to see how well PolymerNG works on a variety of hardware. I will write up a full doc, but that is the only goal with this release.

[Paul B]

icecoldduke, on 01 July 2016 - 01:27 PM, said:

I have updated the public PolymerNG github repository to P4 rev 395. This includes all of the per pixel lighting work, and various fixes I have done. This is in prep for the one level release, when I can figure out if I will get sued or not releasing the modified map .

So you guys know this is a PERFORMANCE TEST ONLY. I want to see how well PolymerNG works on a variety of hardware. I will write up a full doc, but that is the only goal with this release.

It would be nice if mouse support was working for the testing since most of us here use a computer for eduke. Not sure how involved that would be. But man you've been a busy guy! I'm looking forward to trying this out.

[TerminX]

I can't make any promises as to whether someone that isn't me is going to sue you or not, but based on recent conversations I've had with Gearbox I don't think they're going to be interested in causing you grief.

[icecoldduke]

Paul B, on 01 July 2016 - 01:52 PM, said:

It would be nice if mouse support was working for the testing since most of us here use a computer for eduke. Not sure how involved that would be. But man you've been a busy guy! I'm looking forward to trying this out.

It's not hard I just have to do it, and I probably won't have time this weekend. It's playable with a keyboard, all I want is performance metrics. If you want me to hold back the build by a week or so I can get it fixed, but all I need people to do is run around, shoot shit and tell me how fast things are running. That's it.

[icecoldduke]

TerminX, on 01 July 2016 - 02:05 PM, said:

I can't make any promises as to whether someone that isn't me is going to sue you or not, but based on recent conversations I've had with Gearbox I don't think they're going to be interested in causing you grief.

That's good enough for me, I'm going to write up a readme and upload.

[Paul B]

icecoldduke, on 01 July 2016 - 02:06 PM, said:

It's not hard I just have to do it, and I probably won't have time this weekend. It's playable with a keyboard, all I want is performance metrics. If you want me to hold back the build by a week or so I can get it fixed, but all I need people to do is run around, shoot shit and tell me how fast things are running. That's it.

IMO performance is best measured when people can actually engross themselves in the game to get a feel for how it flows. This is usually done through a mouse for its accuracy and flow. I find a lot of that experience is felt through the mouse since it is so much more accurate then a keyboard or joystick In anycase please don't hold up progress because of me. I just wanted to express how I can tell whether a fps game performs and its usually done through the mouse movements in relation to the video being drawn on screen.

[icecoldduke]

I understand if you some of you don't want to try this out because mouse support is broken. All I need is some of you to go in run around and shoot and tell me what the FPS counter at the type right of your screen says. I promise mouse support will be fixed for the next test. Think of this as the pre-alpha one level demo.

PolymerNG One Level Demo
----------------------
PolymerNG by Justin Marshall

Build #395

Full Source Code:
https://github.com/j...olymerNGPublic/

RECOMMENDED HARDWARE SPECS:
------------------------
NVIDIA Geforce 670 or higher.
Windows 7 or higher(Windows 8.1 or higher is actually required, I'm fixing this but it will take some time).
At least 1gb of ram.
CPU With at least 4 cores.

You may run this demo on lower end hardware and I would love to know how well it performs.

WHAT IS POLYMERNG
-------------------
PolymerNG is new renderer for eduke32, that uses Direct3D 11. The goal of PolymerNG is to add next generation graphics features to eduke32.

CURRENT POLYMERNG FEATURES:
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Direct 3D 11 graphics renderer that uses the programmable shader pipeline(no fixed function nastiness).
CPU Occlusion Culling via modified Polymost code.
Deferred Lighting Engine - Point lights and Point light shadows Only
Multi-threaded - the game and the renderer run on two seperate threads.
Texture Cache - zlib compressed image payload system

BUILD NOTES
-------------------
This build is designed to test performance of the ngzoo map ONLY. There are broken features in this build. Please do NOT run any other maps, only maps that are lit with PolymerNG lighting will render correctly. This map is
lit by me and should not indicate the maximum potentional of PolymerNG. If you are looking for nice NG features compared to UE4, expect to be disappointed, were not there yet . I just need you guys to run the build and
tell me how well it performs...that's it.

KNOWN ISSUES
-------------------
*Mouse support is broken. You can use a keyboard, the recommended input device is a xbox one controller(360 controller should work), but this is entirely playable with only a keyboard. Yes this is lame and will be fixed.
*Fire sprites(specifically alpha in high res sprites) don't render properly.
*Textures are prebuilt in this test(game_textures.payloads) and can't be modified. You can build the VirtualTextureBuildTool to generate this file if you wish.
*The only supported resolution is what your desktop is running at. For those that are having performance issues I do plan in the future to allow you to scale down the various fullscreen buffers which will save on performance, but this isn't implemented yet.
*Console does not work

HOW TO RUN
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Please copy your Duke3D.grp file to Assets/dukedata/
Then run EDuke32_PolymerNG.exe

FEEDBACK
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The FPS counter is enabled, please provide these stats after running the demo.

*TAKEN DOWN* Thanks to everyone who tried the build .

[MusicallyInspired]

E1L1 comes with the shareware episode, so....also there was a fanmade Hollywood Holocaust II map, which I thought was really neat. Inspired me to make an Red Light District II where the whole map was taken over by aliens and turned into a base. Sadly, that map was lost.

[0815Jack]

@icecoldduke

XINPUT1_4.dll is missing... any idea?

[Paul B]

I noticed transparencies aren't working which you probably already knew, as well when the light shines in the theater area it seems to effect the texture coloring. The FPS seem to be at a static 90fps at all times. I've also noticed that it appears the wall textures are being squished together.

[icecoldduke]

0815Jack, on 01 July 2016 - 03:08 PM, said:

@icecoldduke

XINPUT1_4.dll is missing... any idea?

EDIT:
Seems like that file is only included in Windows 8, I'm not directly bringing in that file, let me figure out if SDL is bringing it in.

[icecoldduke]

Paul B, on 01 July 2016 - 03:11 PM, said:

Okay here are two real quick test videos. I'm just trying to find a resolution and quality that works for you. Let me know how these look. I also have a bunch of older hardware I can try it on as well. Right now I'm using a Geforce 660.

https://dl.dropboxus...16-52-41-13.mp4
https://dl.dropboxus...17-03-24-82.mp4

I noticed transparencies aren't working which you probably already knew, as well when the light shines in the theater area it seems to effect the texture coloring.

I can't access those videos, dropbox says I don't have permission.

[Mark]

Paul B, on 01 July 2016 - 03:11 PM, said:

Okay here are two real quick test videos. I'm just trying to find a resolution and quality that works for you. Let me know how these look. I also have a bunch of older hardware I can try it on as well. Right now I'm using a Geforce 660.

https://dl.dropboxus...16-52-41-13.mp4
https://dl.dropboxus...17-03-24-82.mp4

I noticed transparencies aren't working which you probably already knew, as well when the light shines in the theater area it seems to effect the texture coloring. The FPS seem to be at a static 90fps at all times. I've also noticed that it appears the wall textures are being squished together.

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[icecoldduke]

Some updates, I screwed up and this executable will only run on Windows 8.1 or higher. I need to install the platform SDK for Windows 7.0. I apologize to everyone, I will get this rectified as soon as possible.

Paul B when you can, can you fix those dropbox videos? I would love to take a look.

[0815Jack]

icecoldduke, on 01 July 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

Some updates, I screwed up and this executable will only run on 8.1 or higher. I need to install the platform SDK for Windows 7.0. I apologize to everyone, I will get this rectified as soon as possible.

ok ... that's why it doesn't run on my Win7 x64

[Paul B]

icecoldduke, on 01 July 2016 - 03:22 PM, said:

Some updates, I screwed up and this executable will only run on Windows 8.1 or higher. I need to install the platform SDK for Windows 7.0. I apologize to everyone, I will get this rectified as soon as possible.

Paul B when you can, can you fix those dropbox videos? I would love to take a look.

Yeah I'm running Windows 10 here. I think the reason why you can't access them is because they were probably still uploading. One of them should work the other one will finish uploading soon as it was a larger video size. Try the second link I think it should work now. Also if the quality sucks let me know and I'll see what I can do.

[icecoldduke]

Paul B, on 01 July 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:

Yeah I'm running Windows 10 here. I think the reason why you can't access them is because they were probably still uploading. One of them should work the other one will finish uploading soon as it was a larger video size. Try the second link I think it should work now. Also if the quality sucks let me know and I'll see what I can do.

It looks dark as hell in that recording, there should be a 30% ambient factor. Are you seeing the dark areas as completely black? Performance looks about what I expect.

[Paul B]

icecoldduke, on 01 July 2016 - 04:56 PM, said:

It looks dark as hell in that recording, there should be a 30% ambient factor. Are you seeing the dark areas as completely black? Performance looks good though.

So it looks like when my video recorder software is running it clamps the video fps to 90. Where as when I run the game without the video recording software I get FPS that jump all over the place from 150 to 350 fps. Must have something to do with FRAPS. Yes it is way too dark in the dark areas. I'll do a comparison between PolymerNG and Polymer. I just crashed PolymerNG with the F12 Screenshot button. I'll post more later.

[icecoldduke]

Paul B, on 01 July 2016 - 05:01 PM, said:

Yea actually I think I might have been getting confused with FPS in my video recorder and actually FPS in game. Yes it is way too dark in the dark areas. I'll do a comparison between PolymerNG and Polymer. I just crashed PolymerNG with the F12 Screenshot button. I'll post more later.

Interesting I'll have to look into that. I need to find a hardware configuration were I can repo, even on my shitty monitors I don't see 100% black. Use print screen, F12 screenshot is probably broken. Comparing with Polymer will probably be useless, the radius calculation is different at the moment then regular Polymer(something I have to fix), you might have to multiply the light radius by a 1000.

If anyone else tries the build, let me know if you just see 100% blackness in the dark areas. This is a bug.

This is reason why I released this build, to find shit like this .

[icecoldduke]

Paul B can you extract the PostProcess_pixel.cso replace the file thats in the same folder EDuke32_PolymerNG.exe and see if this fixes the blackness?

Attached File(s)

•  PostProcess_pixel.rar (4.28K)
  Number of downloads: 156

[Paul B]

icecoldduke, on 01 July 2016 - 05:32 PM, said:

Paul B can you extract the PostProcess_pixel.cso replace the file thats in the same folder EDuke32_PolymerNG.exe and see if this fixes the blackness?

That's definitely a lot better! Give me a minute and i'll post another quick video. The updated version of that file you sent me definitely improved the shaded areas.