[Tea Monster]

I really enjoyed the latest Wolf titles from Machine games.

Sadly I won't be getting Youngblood. Too much crap.

[HulkNukem]

LAW, on 30 October 2019 - 09:28 AM, said:

I have never played the new Wolfenstein titles because of the robots. That is not what I expected. I was remotely interested in the Old Blood - too bad it wasn't released on the previous generation of consoles.

But for some reasons I really like the 2009 Wolfenstein, despite the fact that it mixes too many things in one game. I like it even more than RTCW, which never has been my cup of tea. And I just love the sound of the MP40 in that title.

You mean you didn't want to fight robots in the new Wolfenstein games?
They actually only make up MAYBE 20% of the enemies you face, even less depending on which game.

I thought 09 Wolf had a great atmosphere. Really reminds me of Indiana Jones or the Brendan Fraser Mummy movies. Would've liked to see Raven go all out on a sequel, especially considering their fate now is just Call of Duty maps, but such is life.

[LAW]

HulkNukem, on 30 October 2019 - 01:29 PM, said:

You mean you didn't want to fight robots in the new Wolfenstein games?
They actually only make up MAYBE 20% of the enemies you face, even less depending on which game.

I thought 09 Wolf had a great atmosphere. Really reminds me of Indiana Jones or the Brendan Fraser Mummy movies. Would've liked to see Raven go all out on a sequel, especially considering their fate now is just Call of Duty maps, but such is life.

Yes, I don't like the robots in these games. I don't like mutants either, but I got used to them. So how many robots are there in the New Order?

Wolfenstein 2009 had indeed a great atmosphere, with a feeling of continuous danger. The old king Heinrich the 1st was a douche and I really didn't care. Besides that it was nice to see the id Tech 4 in action again, with all these medieval elements representing what could be done in the Heretic/Hexen universe.

[HulkNukem]

LAW, on 04 November 2019 - 06:02 AM, said:

Yes, I don't like the robots in these games. I don't like mutants either, but I got used to them. So how many robots are there in the New Order?

Wolfenstein 2009 had indeed a great atmosphere, with a feeling of continuous danger. The old king Heinrich the 1st was a douche and I really didn't care. Besides that it was nice to see the id Tech 4 in action again, with all these medieval elements representing what could be done in the Heretic/Hexen universe.

Going based off memory, I could be wrong about some of this.

New Order - Robots were typically either bosses or mini bosses or scripted events (like being chased by a giant robot dog). Some levels had no robots at all, some might've had at most maybe 3
Old Blood - Giant cyborgs with miniguns make up most of the first level, after that there might be like 1 or 2 for the entire rest of the game
New Colossus - Quite a few robots, some of which become regular enemies they throw at you. Some of them remind me of the T-800 exoskeleton that can teleport all around
Youngblood - Has the most robots. Most enemy spawns are random with robot enemies being one of the possible spawns

Old Blood is definitely the most like Wolfenstein 2009, without spoiling anything. The first level is a slog to get through but after that it really picks up.
You also don't need to have played New Order to enjoy Old Blood since its a prequel. It also has far less cut scenes and breaks in the action than the rest of the games

[AlektorophobiA]

I've just started The Old Blood for the third time and yet again i don't feel like playing it anymore because of the shitty stealth section with the giant robots, i'm almost tempted to lower the difficulty just to get over it, it's not that it's hard, it just plain sucks.

Does the game get any better?

[Newken]

Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory Single-Player coming in Q4 2021.

[Ninety-Six]

Hell yes. I was afraid this project was destined for the unfinished bin like all the others.

Mods like that are really important, I think. They're a way to somewhat preserve multiplayer-only games. Don't get me wrong; they're hardly a perfect substitute. But multiplayer depends on other people playing the game, and it's inevitable that will stop eventually. SP mods are a way to at least preserve the assets in a way that resembles what the game plays like.

[jkas789]

At least the community is keeping alive the Wolfenstein legacy on that front after the fuck up that was Youngblood.

[NightFright]

After all these years!

[NightFright]

Looks like it happened. Blade of Agony has been taken down since apparently quite a few people felt offended by it, in more than one way apparently. If you already downloaded it, consider yourself lucky - you got it before it (supposedly) will become watered down.

[Phredreeke]

I just posted this on their github

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IMO going through Not Jabba's entire list of demands and executing them all kinda downplays the one actually shitty thing you did (misgendering of Marisa Heit)

[NightFright]

I was only aware of one of the difficulty settings being (supposedly) named inappropriately, the rest is/was new to me.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Jesus Christ (yes, talking to myself here), just be a fucking asshole and own it. It's better than turning around and apologizing and "changing" things.

That said, if whoever doesn't wanna host the mod as it is, that's their prerogative. I just really hate messing with people's creative vision. Makes me lose respect for everyone involved.

[Phredreeke]

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Realm667 deleted a comment from Phredreeke 1 minute ago

hahahahaha yeah they're cucks

thankfully I know a based mexican who is hard at work preserving the edgy boi version of BoA

[NightFright]

Sadly, this is another "shining" example of SJWs/Cancel Culture taking over pretty much everything. Artistic liberties are basically dead now. Anybody can feel offended by anything, and the only thing you gotta do is to scream loud enough to have others join you until the "offenders" cave in. Is that how it's going to be from now on for anything you say or do in public?

Looks like they might even have to replace a boss because the artist isn't ok with them intending to change his artistic vision (breast shown in ONE F'ING FRAME of the death animation), and rightfully so. I mean FFS, they even complained about stuff that wasn't used in the actual game at all.

[Phredreeke]

[NightFright]

Yepp, pretty much that. All over again.

BTW: Posting basically the same thing I wrote above over at Doomworld already got me into the crossfire. Just tried to be constructive and telling my POV in a very civilized manner, getting the shit right into the face already, lol.

Anyway, there are apparently controversies about the way Torm handled the criticism presented to him early on, also by playtesters, which is admittedly stuff I don't know anything about, so there might be more to it than what I can see right now. Oh, and it seems they banned Torm from Doomworld already, indefinitely.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Gotta love SgtFuckface weighing in with his two cents in a desperate attempt to remedy his own sullied reputation. I think everyone is a piece of shit. People should just realize this already. You all probably think some horrible bigoted thing. Everyone in the world does. And in the quest to not be a bigot, you form bigoted ideas about people you deem to be wrong, conflating everyone into one (I've sure done this), seeing demons where there are none, etc. It's a schizophrenic existence. We're all shit in some ways. All of us.

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone"

[Phredreeke]

They should replace Hitler with staatmeister while they're at it

[NightFright]

You can go back like 10-15 pages and you can see how the thread derailed. Was about Sunday when someone mentions the problematic holocaust theme and the concentration camp level plus how it was realized. Then suddenly, more and more jump in and add more Torm bashing. Again, I dunno what happened with playtesters and other backstage shit. The game should be in the spotlight, not its creators and the philosophy behind it. Torm explained how it was meant and I don't think there were bad intentions involved. Admittedly, using real holocaust footage was "balls-ish" and certainly not everyone's cup of tea, but you would surely receive complaints as well if they had tackled the topic in a more harmless way or even not at all.

Anyway, they are going to change all this shit now, it's not going to be the same any more and actually I guess those feeling offended won't even touch the revised edition once (if?) it gets released, out of principle, pride, stubborness or whatever. The damage is done.

[Phredreeke]

Don't defend Torm, he's bending the knee here.

Am I the only one seeing the irony in removing any references to the Holocaust and changing concentration camps to prison camps?

[NightFright]

If I am defending him, it's only regarding his original vision of the new episode. That he caved in now or rather got bent over a chair is his problem. What seems to be a majority in that comm is against him, he already got banned.

I don't think they should change the game. Max thing I would have done is put a disclaimer screen a la Disney, stating s.th. like "Hey, this is our artistic approach to the topic, no harsh feelings intended. If you don't like this level, you can skip it by pressing key x now or quit the game entirely, your BoA team." That's it, take it or leave it. Ofc we can also pretend WW2 and all the shit that went down there never happened, but that should not be the message that should come across in a game with this historic scenario. And yes, actually removing these references is making it only worse.

[Phredreeke]

Imagine if someone made a mod set during the Beer Hall Putsch

[ReaperAA]

NightFright, on 09 June 2021 - 04:57 AM, said:

I was only aware of one of the difficulty settings being (supposedly) named inappropriately, the rest is/was new to me.

To be honest, some of the things definitely need to be changed. For example, the Randi Heit character (a character in the game who's a tribute to the prominent transwoman in the Doom community who created ZDoom) should definitely be changed she is deadnamed and misgendered and the character named after her is also a shitfaced drunk who jokes about his huge dong. Similar story for Enjay's (another prominent Doom memeber) character.

[Aristotle Gumball]

Deadnamed and misgendered, sounds so brutal. Like a grindcore album.

[ReaperAA]

Jesus Christ, on 09 June 2021 - 10:21 AM, said:

Deadnamed and misgendered, sounds so brutal. Like a grindcore album.

Something that was completely unnecessary and done without the permission of said person. Not to mention, its the person who made the source port (ZDoom) that Tormentor and co. used to create their artistic vision.

[Phredreeke]

The Randi thing is the one thing I agree should go. And it gets downplayed over the noise of Doomworld being a bunch of SJWs

[NightFright]

Call me whatever you want, I didn't even know what "deadnamed" meant before this. It's weird learning about this stuff through a derailed Wolfenstein mod.

[Phredreeke]

I'm not calling you an SJW, I'm talking about people demanding the mod takes out "League of German girls" as a difficulty.

[jkas789]

I have managed to upload the original version of the final release of Blade of Agony and the previous releases to internet that were nixed from moddb. No censorship allowed.

EDIT: Also, fuck Doomworld.