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I Want to see how the Switch port holds up
Ion Fury "formerly Ion Maiden, launching August 15!"
#3811 Posted 31 December 2019 - 05:23 PM
Yeah it's a 3rd party right?
I Want to see how the Switch port holds up
I Want to see how the Switch port holds up
This post has been edited by Truck Stop Santa Claus: 31 December 2019 - 05:25 PM
#3812 Posted 02 January 2020 - 06:00 AM
Wow! Playing Iron Fury on the PS4 will be fantastic.
I was very disappointed that Night Dive Studios didn't port their first person shooter remakes to the PS4, but hopefully they'll port their System Shock Remake to the PS4, as they speculated a while ago.
I was very disappointed that Night Dive Studios didn't port their first person shooter remakes to the PS4, but hopefully they'll port their System Shock Remake to the PS4, as they speculated a while ago.
- Dr. Effector
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#3815 Posted 15 January 2020 - 05:20 AM
That's the raw render without any overpaint, intended for 3rd person model.
Facial features are just palceholder for the actual overpaint stuff.
Facial features are just palceholder for the actual overpaint stuff.
#3818 Posted 16 January 2020 - 06:07 AM
oasiz, on 15 January 2020 - 05:20 AM, said:
That's the raw render without any overpaint, intended for 3rd person model.
Facial features are just palceholder for the actual overpaint stuff.
Facial features are just palceholder for the actual overpaint stuff.
Commando Nukem, on 15 January 2020 - 06:17 AM, said:
Outtagum, on 15 January 2020 - 03:43 PM, said:
Well, not to insult anyone of course, I just think that 3d models of characters from sprite games usually don't look good. An example would be Duke Nukem 3D with full 3D.
- Dr. Effector
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#3819 Posted 16 January 2020 - 10:45 AM
A lot of models we have look quite bare before the overpaint. Models are more like a blueprint for the artist to work on.
The end result ends up being quite different to the renders, more colour depth gets added along with many additional details and cleanups.
Model renders directly are very bare bones and do not reflect the sprite itself, consider it 50% finished
The end result ends up being quite different to the renders, more colour depth gets added along with many additional details and cleanups.
Model renders directly are very bare bones and do not reflect the sprite itself, consider it 50% finished
- Judge Mental
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#3820 Posted 17 January 2020 - 08:25 AM
the_raven, on 16 January 2020 - 06:07 AM, said:
Well, not to insult anyone of course, I just think that 3d models of characters from sprite games usually don't look good. An example would be Duke Nukem 3D with full 3D.
You do understand that most of the sprites in Duke 3D were rendered off of 3D models just like this.
#3821 Posted 17 January 2020 - 08:37 AM
Commando Nukem, on 17 January 2020 - 08:25 AM, said:
You do understand that most of the sprites in Duke 3D were rendered off of 3D models just like this.
No, I did not. Still, the reverse process is strange to me.
- Judge Mental
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#3822 Posted 17 January 2020 - 08:49 AM
the_raven, on 17 January 2020 - 08:37 AM, said:
No, I did not. Still, the reverse process is strange to me.
It's the reason that Duke3D was able to run on such a wide range of hardware, whilst Quake required a bit more juice.
Rendering out images of 3D models makes it easier to animate the sprites, instead of having to manually/hand paint every frame from scratch. Doom used clay models and toys to do this.
Trying to render a model like the one posted there, in real-time, would grind even a modern system.
- Dr. Effector
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#3823 Posted 17 January 2020 - 09:27 AM
Yes, animating and lighting, you get a consistent light source that way.
It's actually quite hard to make consistent directional frames without some reference like that, what gets obscured during rotation etc..
It's actually quite hard to make consistent directional frames without some reference like that, what gets obscured during rotation etc..
- Evil Overlord
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#3824 Posted 17 January 2020 - 09:43 PM
That's not even the full quality texture and lighting. It's a draft render for reference.
#3825 Posted 20 January 2020 - 11:12 AM
the Twin Peaks easter egg doesn't work
UPDATE: i'm a f*cking idiot. I pressed the button, fell to my dead, and after loading i forgot to press it again.
UPDATE: i'm a f*cking idiot. I pressed the button, fell to my dead, and after loading i forgot to press it again.
This post has been edited by Lazy Dog: 20 January 2020 - 01:40 PM
#3830 Posted 26 January 2020 - 02:12 PM
#3832 Posted 01 February 2020 - 08:20 PM
Phredreeke, on 01 February 2020 - 04:54 PM, said:
I can't help but think
Spoiler
Maybe not, the girl is Nightmare Reaper's protagonist(if you read the twitter post you would know), and I can't found what's her name is.
This post has been edited by Player Lin: 01 February 2020 - 08:21 PM
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#3833 Posted 08 February 2020 - 11:40 AM
After a long break since last September, I have resumed playing the game. I noticed that a few game options are either missing or I have tomatoes on my eyes. Can't find the switches for texture filtering or palette emulation, for example. Can still edit the cfg file, but I believe I remember the options were there in v1.0. I am on v1.02 now. It's not really a big deal, but I find it curious.
Side note: It's not a good idea to play the game during the day with sunlight coming through the window when there are no blinds. Many levels are quite dark in some places. On the other hand, it's a neat trick to increase the challenge...
Side note: It's not a good idea to play the game during the day with sunlight coming through the window when there are no blinds. Many levels are quite dark in some places. On the other hand, it's a neat trick to increase the challenge...
This post has been edited by NightFright: 08 February 2020 - 11:46 AM
#3834 Posted 09 February 2020 - 01:48 AM
NightFright, on 08 February 2020 - 11:40 AM, said:
After a long break since last September, I have resumed playing the game. I noticed that a few game options are either missing or I have tomatoes on my eyes. Can't find the switches for texture filtering or palette emulation, for example. Can still edit the cfg file, but I believe I remember the options were there in v1.0. I am on v1.02 now. It's not really a big deal, but I find it curious.
Both removed now because EDuke32 team needed find a way to make them work with custom shader to re-implement them.
(If I didn't misunderstand some devs' posts...
)
This post has been edited by Player Lin: 09 February 2020 - 01:49 AM
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#3835 Posted 09 February 2020 - 07:26 AM
filtering was in preview but it was removed as the palette setup was reworked for GL (due to implementation changes breaking it), there is no need for emulation option as it's set to accurate (high quality) by default.
As for sunlight, I recommend cranking up the gamma. Flat panels do not do that well in sunlight with many games.
As for sunlight, I recommend cranking up the gamma. Flat panels do not do that well in sunlight with many games.
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#3836 Posted 09 February 2020 - 08:52 AM
Yeah, I remember the options from the preview. Guess they were already gone in v1.0, I just noticed it now for some reason. Basically after I read somewhere else in the forum that the game doesn't look good with palette emulation off and I wanted to make sure it was on. Seems now it's on by default and you can only change it by manually editing the config. Not sure if there's still a way to turn on texture filtering, but I guess it's still somewhere, too. But default settings are just fine for me.
This post has been edited by NightFright: 09 February 2020 - 08:52 AM
- Dr. Effector
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#3837 Posted 09 February 2020 - 10:16 AM
Texture filtering code still exists but it's broken (i.e. parallax skies are missing). This was changed in eduke32 side around early 2018.
Options are:
Palette emulation:
OFF = Very old legacy style that approximates duke-like palswaps with GL functions, light on the system and this was the style adopted for polymost. Since none of the game palettes are really mathematically correct (and many skewed intentionally to produce desired results) the outcome is just a vague approximation. This can result in richer or different hues as a byproduct but they are more like "made up" rather than part of the game.
ON = This would use the true palette as a reference and create a copy of EACH used combination of EACH texture when loading a map. While this produces desired results, the cost to get there is quite high as you'd have duplicates in RAM. I think Fury was around 200-300MB VRAM usage alone on the first maps during preview which was just ridiculous amounts for that texture set.
Current = Permanent "on", instead of using above functions it uses shaders on the fly to do the palette swaps. This ensures accuracy while not utilizing any extra memory. By far the superior option.
So yes, when people refer to "palette emulation", giving choice is simply unnecessary today. (As the old approximation was just a compromise/workaround)
Options are:
Palette emulation:
OFF = Very old legacy style that approximates duke-like palswaps with GL functions, light on the system and this was the style adopted for polymost. Since none of the game palettes are really mathematically correct (and many skewed intentionally to produce desired results) the outcome is just a vague approximation. This can result in richer or different hues as a byproduct but they are more like "made up" rather than part of the game.
ON = This would use the true palette as a reference and create a copy of EACH used combination of EACH texture when loading a map. While this produces desired results, the cost to get there is quite high as you'd have duplicates in RAM. I think Fury was around 200-300MB VRAM usage alone on the first maps during preview which was just ridiculous amounts for that texture set.
Current = Permanent "on", instead of using above functions it uses shaders on the fly to do the palette swaps. This ensures accuracy while not utilizing any extra memory. By far the superior option.
So yes, when people refer to "palette emulation", giving choice is simply unnecessary today. (As the old approximation was just a compromise/workaround)
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#3838 Posted 09 February 2020 - 12:35 PM
Makes sense then to remove this option since it makes little sense to allow users to go for an inferior method. Since I also dislike bilinear filtering in old games (or retro style like this one), I don't really miss the option, just wondered what happened to it.
#3839 Posted 09 February 2020 - 01:25 PM
NightFright, on 08 February 2020 - 11:40 AM, said:
After a long break since last September, I have resumed playing the game. I noticed that a few game options are either missing or I have tomatoes on my eyes. Can't find the switches for texture filtering or palette emulation, for example. Can still edit the cfg file, but I believe I remember the options were there in v1.0. I am on v1.02 now. It's not really a big deal, but I find it curious.
Side note: It's not a good idea to play the game during the day with sunlight coming through the window when there are no blinds. Many levels are quite dark in some places. On the other hand, it's a neat trick to increase the challenge...
Side note: It's not a good idea to play the game during the day with sunlight coming through the window when there are no blinds. Many levels are quite dark in some places. On the other hand, it's a neat trick to increase the challenge...
Have you beat the game yet?
- The Sarien Encounter
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#3840 Posted 09 February 2020 - 09:42 PM
I noticed when toggling Palette Emulation in the older builds that there were missing colour values in textures while it was ON. Is this still the case? Or was it intentional I guess? I kind of felt bad having it ON for that reason because it felt like I was not seeing all of the great work in its full glory.
