[NNC]

Forge, on 31 May 2019 - 07:57 PM, said:

Forbes, PCWorld, IGN, etc., etc.

Streisand effect

But only if it escalates further. If the band management and 3DRealms make an agreement on the case, change the name, and pay the royalties, it will be a non case, and the team will see very little gain from the whole debacle like higher selling rate. On the other hand I don't think they want it to escalate. It can have a painful outcome for them, despite getting the moral support from the public.

[OpenMaw]

3D Realms and VP do not need to change the name. It's utter tosspottery.

[Zaxx]

TerminX, on 31 May 2019 - 01:55 PM, said:

Sure, but you do have to blame them for "defending" it with outright lies:

Oh fuck, that's 100% fabrication. Reading stuff like this makes me think you should fight these fucktards.

Seriously, put up a GoFundMe or something for the legal costs, I'll pay.

[Phredreeke]

[mwnn]

It may well be utter tosspottery and even though we all know that Ion isn't Iron as in: Ion Cannon (star wars), Ion Storm (developer), an atom with an electrical charge, etc

I can't say I'd trust some senile old fart to make the right decision should it escalate.
I'd like to say fight to the death but it's likely already cost a few thousand just to establish whether the claim has any merit and they've got more firepower.

They've already won a previous fight against a comic called Iron and the Maiden The Iron Saint
On the name alone - Ion Maiden is probably even more similar thanks to the silent "r".
Once the legal profession get fired up it can drag on for years.

At the same time I don't know if a change of name is equivalent to admitting guilt.
If they can change it without penalty that might be the smartest option.

[MusicallyInspired]

Paul B, on 31 May 2019 - 08:47 PM, said:

Well that sucks! =(

Here's some new names:
Bionic Maiden
Metal Maiden
Robo Maiden
Cyber Maiden
Trooper Maiden
Cyborg Maiden
Steel Maiden (stronger than Iron Maiden)
Metallic Maiden (piss on Metallica and Iron Maiden) lol

Many of those names are fitting as in the prequel game she's not a cyborg at all yet....unless that comes later in the game? Ion Maiden is a weapon from the previous game.

[Danukem]

Nancsi, on 31 May 2019 - 11:10 PM, said:

But only if it escalates further. If the band management and 3DRealms make an agreement on the case, change the name, and pay the royalties

Why would they pay royalties?

[Sledgehammer]

If anything, Iron Maiden themselves are supposed pay compensation for false accusations.

[Radar]

What is with these lawsuit trigger happy metal bands!?!? I hope they lose and are counter-sued to the fullest extent.

[Outtagum]

MusicallyInspired, on 01 June 2019 - 06:24 AM, said:

Ion Maiden is a weapon from the previous game.

Where she is a cyborg. It's a modification for her mechanical arm.

[MusicallyInspired]

Zor, on 01 June 2019 - 11:39 AM, said:

Where she is a cyborg. It's a modification for her mechanical arm.

But she isn't a cyborg in Ion Maiden.

[PsychoGoatee]

Forge, on 31 May 2019 - 01:40 PM, said:

They're still one of my favorite bands.

I think they're wrong in this instance, but I don't blame them for trying to defend their name and trademark.
From their perspective, they (the holdings lawyers) are doing what they think is right to protect themselves. They don't hang out in this community. They probably never played the game. They are outsiders looking in, without the insight we have.

The 2 million in reparations thing is bad any way you look at it. A cease and desist asking for a name change, that's wrong and misguided, along with the absurd Shelly's name stuff mentioned. But the 2 million dollars thing, for a game that isn't even fully released yet, and clearly has not cost Iron Maiden a cent, it's just awful.

Good luck with all this, we're rooting for you!

[Forge]

PsychoGoatee, on 01 June 2019 - 04:02 PM, said:

The 2 million in reparations thing is bad any way you look at it. A cease and desist asking for a name change, that's wrong and misguided, along with the absurd Shelly's name stuff mentioned. But the 2 million dollars thing, for a game that isn't even fully released yet, and clearly has not cost Iron Maiden a cent, it's just awful.

A C&D was issued around 6 months ago. 3DR filed to abandon their Ion Maiden trademark because of it.

3DR made the decision to continue to use the name anyway.

Exactly what did they think was going to happen?

If the case for the Ion Maiden name was that strong, why did Fred file to cancel the trademark? (back in December)

The reasons and correlations are stupid to us, because most of us have been here for years and can see how silly some of the accusations are. You're not looking at it from a clueless california lawyer's perspective.

Getting mad at Iron Maiden is about as dumb as the lawsuit itself.


Fred had 6 months to figure it out, he apparently decided to do nothing and hoped for the best.

[MusicallyInspired]

Forge, on 01 June 2019 - 04:44 PM, said:

A C&D was issued around 6 months ago. 3DR filed to abandon their Ion Maiden trademark because of it.

I hadn't read that anywhere.

[Hank]

MusicallyInspired, on 01 June 2019 - 05:07 PM, said:

I hadn't read that anywhere.

"Defendant's infringement is incredibly blatant. Defendant is undoubtedly aware of IRON MAIDEN's existence and is attempting to trade off on IRON MAIDEN's notoriety because, inter alia, Defendant chose to use the virtually exact IRON MAIDEN trademark and was instructed to cease and desist by Plaintiff. In response thereto, Defendant abandoned its Ion Maiden trademark application but chose to defiantly continue to use its Ion Maiden mark.

from
https://www.blabberm...den-video-game/

[Forge]

Also this: look through the document history of when it was filed and when the abandonment was filed

Hank, on 29 May 2019 - 08:10 PM, said:

direct link http://tsdr.uspto.go...pe=statusSearch

[Master O]

Is this game's full release going to be delayed because of this lawsuit?

[Hank]

Master O, on 01 June 2019 - 07:10 PM, said:

Is this game's full release going to be delayed because of this lawsuit?

Who knows? My distaste for this Euro Trash, (ake 3D Realms) is well documented here.
Let’s just hope Voidpoint is getting their well-deserved break in the Gaming Industry. The game is superior in my books; despite this Euro Trash Corporation from Aalborg fucking it up, all because of a technicality, a simple trade name legal issue.

Expire 3D Realms, please, go to fucking hell, you mother fuckers.

[Jimmy]

[HenitoKisou]

“Let the past (Iron Maiden) die. Kill it, if you have to. That’s the only way to become what you are meant to be.”

[johnnythewolf]

I was going to suggest renaming the game to "Bombshell Begins" if worse comes to worst, but then I remembered that the first Bat-Nolan movie was called Batman Begins.

[Master O]

Hank, on 01 June 2019 - 07:47 PM, said:

Who knows? My distaste for this Euro Trash, (ake 3D Realms) is well documented here.
Let’s just hope Voidpoint is getting their well-deserved break in the Gaming Industry. The game is superior in my books; despite this Euro Trash Corporation from Aalborg fucking it up, all because of a technicality, a simple trade name legal issue.

Expire 3D Realms, please, go to fucking hell, you mother fuckers.

I certainly can't believe that this naming issue wasn't handled much earlier than now. This sounds to me like massive incompetence on 3D Realms' part. Didn't it occur to someone at 3D Realms to check with Iron Maiden's lawyers first?

[Radar]

Either 3DR thought they were bluffing, or that they could easily handle a lawsuit if one was filed. Incredibly short-sighted behavior regardless. I hope this lawsuit doesn't nix the game the way the HTTK lawsuit did.

[Mark]

How about "Bombshell Re-thinked"

[Zaxx]

"Bomsbshell FUCK IRON MAIDEN HOLDINGS UNTIL THEIR ASSES BLEED"?

[johnnythewolf]

Bombshell Ignited?

[oasiz]

Can't wait for you guys to get your hands on the game...

Effort and tricks that have gone to this are just stupid.

Even if everybody ends up hating the full game, damn is it a showcase on what the engine can pull off.

I'm surely going to try to document and explain a bunch of stuff, It's just stupid how much more control you have over duke now.

[DisgustedGrunt]

what about Shelly Explosive Adventure?

[TerminX]

Forge, on 01 June 2019 - 04:44 PM, said:

Fred had 6 months to figure it out, he apparently decided to do nothing and hoped for the best.

Nah, that's bullshit. We responded to the C&D and they just didn't like the response. "Ignoring" it in this context means we didn't do what they told us to. They received a proper letter in response to the original C&D saying that we weren't going to change the name.

[Phredreeke]

What if you were to change the name to "Voidpoint's Ion Maiden"?