[Stabs]

if its like how bodies float in shadow warrior it should be good, i have the perfect part for it

Ive been playing around with those lights quite a bit and the only thing i could see it using is with pal 1, if you set a minus shade value the light should stay on mostly and flicker now and then, naturally this would make little difference at values of 100 or 100- because its blinking so fast
, that glow map hack got me thinking how you could make walls with breaking light textures work with lights

if the lights in a sector with a wall / ceiling with an extra 4911, make hitag of the wall the tile it changes to when shot, and the lotag is the amount shade added to it when shot, because a light texture should be fullbright but when broken goes back to the shade of everything around it, when the 4911 wall texture is broken and changes to its broken state defined by hitag thats when the SE49 starts to use the pal 1 flashing values, just a thought

[Danukem]

I'm confused. Since we are talking about Polymer lights here, why would you want the wall texture or shades to change? When the light is broken, you want the model to switch to a broken version and the SE 49 to die. What am I missing?

[Stabs]

Sector conatins one SE49, one wall or ceiling with a breakable texture with an extra value of 4911, the hitag of this wall is its broken version tile #. the lotag is how much shade to add to the wall when broken.

When i make a light out of textures i like to turn it up to a shade of 0 so it looks bright, because i use a uniform shade of 27 for everything when shot i would want the texture to add 27 points of shade, hence a lotag of 27 and just use the polymer light hitting it to make it look like its flashing.

Anyway basically what happens is there is an SE49 looking for a wall with an extra of 4911 and a tile matching its hitag, once those conditions are met, ( shooting the light texture which would changes it tile, which would match the hitag ) the SE49 in that sector changes to a pal 1, starting the flash effect, you would only need to enter the shade in mapster.

I think it might work, its based of the glow map flash effect, i hope i explained this well enough.

EDIT : I dont think this would work with ceiling or floor as they share lotag / hitag

[Danukem]

DanM, on Aug 1 2010, 09:45 PM, said:

When i make a light out of textures

Ah that's what I didn't understand. We had just been working with SE 49 lights from light models and I was still thinking of those.

I have a strong hunch this would be a bad move. It involves mixing up the old shade based lighting system with the Polymer lighting system, and it's getting complicated, making me worry about bugs (even without your edit).

If you want a light model that becomes a broken version and then changes the associated SE 49 to the flickering light after being shot, that's fine, but I don't think it's a good idea to be messing with wall/floor shades and textures for this.

[Stabs]

ive been thinkin about it more and its probably not a good idea, its just some crackpot idea i got of the glow fix you made and had to share, heres another one, heh

If a SE49 has a pal 3 which makes it have a 0 hitag, could it be linked through its extra to a dp touchplate / chain / light switch sprite? i could control when lights come on pal 0 and off pal 3 then i could make the classic scary hallway effect where the lights turn off one by one, getting closer to you, the chains are good because i can control timing perfectly .

i could make certain lights like the big light hitag of 5000 that lights up the pool on the roof of the hotel in nine one one turned off at the start and when you first come out into the street it should give a bit of an fps boost, you dont need to be up there so it shouldn't matter if its off.

That would be cool if you could make a breaking light like that, i don't think i would make every light breakable, all that flashing will probably look bad, but used in situation with a scripted explosion (like the commander fight in the cinema when he blows up the wall, lights could start flashing.) it could do a lot to increase the destructive atmosphere, id probably just hide a C4 Canister above the light hidden in the roof so it will be affected by it

the extra bit for the dukebike which makes it invulnerable and makes the player cop all the damage, you could really screw yourself in this level iam working on at the moment if you loose your bike,

I also need the sector of death to work with the invulnerable bike, so if you jump of the bike and it goes flying of a cliff into the ocean and it has this SE as soon as it hits the water the screen should fade out and say "you have lost the bike, mission failed" or some crap like that.

cheers for this stuff DT if your keen on doing it its a bit of task this one.

[Mike Norvak]

Hey DT could u make a bullet breakable version of the crate? (like in Half Life) and maybe add Extra flag options like be destructible by explosions and non moveable?

[Danukem]

Norvak, on Aug 3 2010, 12:54 PM, said:

Hey DT could u make a bullet breakable version of the crate? (like in Half Life) and maybe add Extra flag options like be destructible by explosions and non moveable?

OK. There should be 3 tags. One for destructible (bullets, explosions, or whatever), one for non-moveable, and one for the item (if any) that it contains.

[Mike Norvak]

DeeperThought, on Aug 3 2010, 02:59 PM, said:

OK. There should be 3 tags. One for destructible (bullets, explosions, or whatever), one for non-moveable, and one for the item (if any) that it contains.

Sounds great, i know this will have many usefull porpuses...

[Sobek]

Wow, D+ has really grown since I last used it (it's been a couple of months, life sucks sometimes). 40mb... Crikey. Is that mostly because of new sounds, or is it because of custom content for the included user maps? I'm really looking forward to trying out some of these new features, and the ability to pulse or flicker Polymer lights is really going to come in handy.

[Danukem]

The increase in size is mostly due to the Dukebike stuff, which took more space than in the Dukebike mod itself, because I included some Duke skins. I did that to make it to work properly even without the HRP (it's bad enough that some people still use the software renderer and then complain about models not working, I didn't want non-HRP users to complain about the bike with no rider).

[Stabs]

remade the muzzle flashes from the shotgun and mp5, i think you'll agree these are much better & smaller now so they are not so distracting



also i was playing around with the new eduke with hud lighting and the cruizer, double barrel, and mp5 all needed their zadd modified to work correctly with the new eduke, and then they would not look right in polymost, however the shotgun in attrition viewed correctly either way so there is something to look into there.

[Fantinaikos]

About the dukebike, I think it's a little unrealistic that you can use any type of weapon when you're on board.

You should be able to only use the pistol (one handed), the shotgun, the double barreled shotgun and the chaingun/MP5. Weapons that do not take two hands, should be done also to balance the game because The dukebike give an extra armor and is too easy defeat the enemies.

[Danukem]

DanM, on Aug 22 2010, 03:27 AM, said:

also i was playing around with the new eduke with hud lighting and the cruizer, double barrel, and mp5 all needed their zadd modified to work correctly with the new eduke, and then they would not look right in polymost, however the shotgun in attrition viewed correctly either way so there is something to look into there.

Thanks for the muzzle flashes. I will check them out soon.

As for the zadd issue, for now I will assume that something has not yet been implemented fully in the recently added Polymer HUD, and that it will be fixed. Getting models positioned properly in the HUD can be a very tedious process, and it's not something I want to mess with again except as a last resort.

[Plagman]

Ah, I only checked the HUD models from the stock HRP. So you're saying that some Duke Plus HUD models display differently between Polymost and Polymer as of right now? If so that's definitely something I need to correct and you shouldn't change anything in your DEFs to address that as of right now.

[Danukem]

Here are examples of the problem:

Polymer



Polymost



Since the HRP models all display correctly, the issue is probably CON related. I use a zoom of 131072 for those models with rotatesprite, which is double the default zoom.

[Plagman]

Ah; can you verify that setting the default zoom makes it look exactly the same between rendmode 3 and 4? I think I just forgot to do anything with the zoom argument in Polymer...

[Danukem]

Plagman, on Aug 23 2010, 08:59 AM, said:

Ah; can you verify that setting the default zoom makes it look exactly the same between rendmode 3 and 4? I think I just forgot to do anything with the zoom argument in Polymer...

Yeah, I checked on one of the weapons and it looks exactly the same between rendmodes when zoom is set to 65536.

[Plagman]

OK, I think I got it right this time. Let me know if you keep seeing discrepancies.

[Odin]

Forgive me if this was already answered, but are there any plans to add sprites for the modeled weapons (e.g. the double-barreled shotgun)? I'm not a big fan of the HRP and Polymer loves crashing for me (I should make a thread about that actually).

[Danukem]

Odin, on Aug 27 2010, 09:23 AM, said:

Forgive me if this was already answered, but are there any plans to add sprites for the modeled weapons (e.g. the double-barreled shotgun)? I'm not a big fan of the HRP and Polymer loves crashing for me (I should make a thread about that actually).

Yeah it has been answered, and the answer is it may never happen. But you don't need the HRP or Polymer for DukePlus. As long as you aren't using the software renderer, those modeled weapons will work fine. It may look a little strange to have a few weapon models among the sprite weapons, but it's not that bad imo.

[Knivesron]

hey ive been playing duke plus since like 1.5 and absolutly love it. i think it really adds to duke nukem 3d. i like the slower running.
some things i think you should try and add some time (my 2 cents)
--leaning, like in most good modern fps games they have ability to lean around corners etc.
--the option to change the models of the guns. i know you have a few already but i think it would be good if you had an option to use the old laser pistol
--a second laser pistol. you have all the models there why not make the newer laser pistol have a different alt fire like a constant beam. lasers in real life dont shoot balls, its a high enegy focused light.
-- the bfg ground model is way to big it like shrinks when you pick it up (its a cool model and every thing tho)
--ide like to have more tactical weapons also. like a m4 or ak or sumthing would be nice
--i think some of the hud models need to be moved to the right a little bit especially the mp5, i think it looks a bit silly having it in the middle.
--proper reloading animation on the pistol
--possibly even a prone option.

they are just some of my ideas i think would improve duke plus alot.
so far awsome work on dp ill be playing it for many months ahead

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Knivesron, on Aug 31 2010, 05:30 PM, said:

hey ive been playing duke plus since like 1.5 and absolutly love it. i think it really adds to duke nukem 3d. i like the slower running.
some things i think you should try and add some time (my 2 cents)
--leaning, like in most good modern fps games they have ability to lean around corners etc.
--the option to change the models of the guns. i know you have a few already but i think it would be good if you had an option to use the old laser pistol
--a second laser pistol. you have all the models there why not make the newer laser pistol have a different alt fire like a constant beam. lasers in real life dont shoot balls, its a high enegy focused light.
-- the bfg ground model is way to big it like shrinks when you pick it up (its a cool model and every thing tho)
--ide like to have more tactical weapons also. like a m4 or ak or sumthing would be nice
--i think some of the hud models need to be moved to the right a little bit especially the mp5, i think it looks a bit silly having it in the middle.
--proper reloading animation on the pistol
--possibly even a prone option.

they are just some of my ideas i think would improve duke plus alot.
so far awsome work on dp ill be playing it for many months ahead

Most of these would fit a modern shooter better than Duke Nukem 3D.

[Danukem]

Knivesron, on Aug 31 2010, 02:30 PM, said:

hey ive been playing duke plus since like 1.5 and absolutly love it. i think it really adds to duke nukem 3d. i like the slower running.
some things i think you should try and add some time (my 2 cents)
--leaning, like in most good modern fps games they have ability to lean around corners etc.
--the option to change the models of the guns. i know you have a few already but i think it would be good if you had an option to use the old laser pistol
--a second laser pistol. you have all the models there why not make the newer laser pistol have a different alt fire like a constant beam. lasers in real life dont shoot balls, its a high enegy focused light.
-- the bfg ground model is way to big it like shrinks when you pick it up (its a cool model and every thing tho)
--ide like to have more tactical weapons also. like a m4 or ak or sumthing would be nice
--i think some of the hud models need to be moved to the right a little bit especially the mp5, i think it looks a bit silly having it in the middle.
--proper reloading animation on the pistol
--possibly even a prone option.

they are just some of my ideas i think would improve duke plus alot.
so far awsome work on dp ill be playing it for many months ahead

Lately I've been taking a break from Duke modding, but I've been struggling with the problem of what to do with DukePlus. As more modern elements get added, it becomes less of an enhancement for the original game and more of a TC. There is a case to be made for splitting it into two mods: classic DukePlus, which would be fully compatible with the original 8-bit art, but still have lots of map effects, options, and other features that don't require models or OpenGL. Then there could be, uh... Duke++, which would be designed for the Polymer HRP, and have new modeled weapons, the Dukebike, the models and textures currently exclusive to DanM's DNE, etc. That would make sense, BUT, I've got too many mods to manage as it is.

[Stabs]

I could probably manage the up keep and uploading of something like that provided i had ftp space, that would just leave you with con additions and def stuff

[Knivesron]

"but I've been struggling with the problem of what to do with DukePlus. As more modern elements get added, it becomes less of an enhancement for the original game and more of a TC"
i see your point but, with the duke plus menu you have options to change things you need to have it so if you want to play original duke you have the option there. eg use cruizer shot gun. you can turn on or off to have the cool reloading shotty.
i must admit i havent played any of the duke plus maps since i clocked it back in 1.5 but i use duke plus on the like 4000 maps ive downloaded and it just makes it more fun.
i dont think adding lean and prone would take away but you should have the option in the duke plus menu to turn it on and off.

in my opinion i think duke would be ultimate if it had the americas army movement and aiming physics. even if you Could aim up the iron sights of the guns would be ultimate

[williamjcm]

Knivesron, on Aug 31 2010, 11:30 PM, said:

--leaning, like in most good modern fps games they have ability to lean around corners etc.

No, Duke isn't supposed to be a realistic game. Duke is a fun game.

Knivesron, on Aug 31 2010, 11:30 PM, said:

--ide like to have more tactical weapons also. like a m4 or ak or sumthing would be nice

I thought of a M4A1 rifle instead of the MP5. But we need a proper model.

Knivesron, on Aug 31 2010, 11:30 PM, said:

--proper reloading animation on the pistol

The pistol reloading animation is from the HRP (or from the 8-bit art, if you don't use HRP).

Knivesron, on Aug 31 2010, 11:30 PM, said:

--possibly even a prone option.

What's the point ? We don't need stealth in Duke. Only Run n' Gun.

[Micky C]

Knivesron, on Sep 1 2010, 05:52 PM, said:

you should have the option in the duke plus menu to turn it on and off.

IIRC DT isn't likely to do that for 2 reasons; 1, coding options in the menu is somewhat tedious and makes the code overly complicated. 2, He's expressed the view of wanting to remove options, to make the mod simpler for the user and overall more tidy. There are arguments on both sides but ultimately the decision is up to him.

[Vdaxzter]

Hello everyone,

I am trying Duke Plus for the first time but am having a serious problem. When I start the game, all places on the menu where there should be text are just occupied by solid white rectangles. I tried to take a screenshot but for some reason my computer is not capturing anything but a black screen. I have the latest version of Duke Plus, but no idea how to solve this problem. Duke Nukem: Atomic Pack works perfectly fine without Duke Plus, only when I try to use Duke Plus do I get this problem. Here are my system specs:

Windows 7 64-bit
Radeon Hd 4870 1gb
6gb ram
Intel Core 2 Quad 3.00 Ghz

Thanks in advance.

[NF64]

have you tried to roll back your driver?

[Vdaxzter]

Nfelli64, on Sep 4 2010, 12:58 AM, said:

have you tried to roll back your driver?

I haven't, mainly because I didn't think the driver would affect the text but I will try to roll back. Do you use ATI? If so, which driver are you using to get this to work? Thanks.