[necroslut]

 Hendricks266, on Aug 9 2010, 09:02 PM, said:

However, weren't we going to put Daidoh from the XBLA port into the HRP?

I hope you won't. It doesn't look nearly as good as the one you have now or the original.

[PimpUigi]

 Spiker, on Aug 9 2010, 02:09 PM, said:

Expect it really soon.

You read my comment about the Atomic symbol right?
Do try to make sure we can see the whole thing on the shotgun.
Doesn't matter how tiny you have to make it, the one on the original shotgun is pretty tiny too. (bigger than the original would be better, just so long as we can see the whole thing.)

[Night Wolf]

Daidoh wouldn't be a good idea now ...
the only reason Daidoh was an option was becaue the old red font looked like shit, but this new red font by SwissCm is great, really fit's in well with duke.

[Night Wolf]

Heres revised 0742
I remade it so that it matched the revised #0764 since they are the same parts to this particular buliding. (although this isnt added into svn yet)



& link to revised 0764 posted awhile back
http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y319/z...d333/0764-1.png
theres currently no revised normal map for this but it will work fine with the existing one for now.

Edit: changed size to 1024 x 512 (tile is used for big walls in the game)

[Micky C]

Great work Ozz! It bothered how the old HRP tile didn't match...

[Tea Monster]

Pistol HUD is in progress as well.

[Night Wolf]

Are there any other HUD guns currently being remade, i'd like to hope they will all get remade eventually, otherwise they wont match quality wise..
The freezer needs reworking, it doesnt look anything like the sprites.. possibly just the angle.

[MusicallyInspired]

I couldn't stand the red menu font from the original 1.4/1.5 Duke. I have always played with 1.3D (that was version we had when I was younger) and thought those fonts were much better than what they decided on for Atomic. I'm happy to see the superior 1.3D fonts get the HD treatment.

[Spiker]

Ok, here comes the shotty. Both pickup and HUD version.

Hopefully the def files are correct (not checked), and parallax values might need adjustment when polymer HUD support is added. There is a problem with alpha on the muzzleflash when playing with polymer but Plagman says it will be fixed, it's fine in polymost. As for the animation I've tried hundreads of ways to create it as well as different ways of defining it and I think that it's very unlikely to get something better than this with the current HUD animation in Eduke, for me it looks decent. Also from now on any new weapon that will need hands should use the textures included which are made by Parkar.

Any comments are welcome.

Attached File(s)

•  shotgun.zip (1.91MB)
  Number of downloads: 364

[Master Fibbles]

It is possible that I did something wrong with installing it but I get this in the log and sprites:

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Invalid frame name on line highres/sprites/firstperson.def:321
Invalid frame name on line highres/sprites/firstperson.def:322
Invalid frame name on line highres/sprites/firstperson.def:323
Invalid frame name on line highres/sprites/firstperson.def:324
Invalid frame name on line highres/sprites/firstperson.def:325
Invalid frame name on line highres/sprites/firstperson.def:326
Invalid frame name on line highres/sprites/firstperson.def:327
Invalid frame name on line highres/sprites/pickups.def:76

Nevermind those errors. I did something wrong with my install. However, unless I need to update eduke to see the shotgun HUD, I see nothing. I also need to figure out how to integrate the defs...but I do like the pickup model.


EDIT: Here is what I mean (with the latest eduke synthesis)

[Spiker]

Oh, yeah my bad. Change every instance of shotgun1.png to 2613_shotgun_d.png Sorry

Edit: or copy this.

// Shotgun (2613)
model "highres/sprites/firstperson/2613_shotgun.md3" {
scale 6

skin { pal 0 surface 0 file "highres/sprites/firstperson/2613_shotgun_d.png" }
skin { pal 0 surface 1 file "highres/sprites/firstperson/2613_shotgun_d.png" }
normal { file "highres/sprites/firstperson/2613_shotgun_n.png" parallaxbias 0.1 parallaxscale 0.1 }
specular { file "highres/sprites/firstperson/2613_shotgun_s.png.png" }
skin { pal 0 surface 2 file "highres/sprites/firstperson/2613_shotgun_d.png" }
normal { file "highres/sprites/firstperson/2613_shotgun_n.png" parallaxbias 0.1 parallaxscale 0.1 }
specular { file "highres/sprites/firstperson/2613_shotgun_s.png.png" }
skin { pal 0 surface 3 file "highres/sprites/firstperson/2613_shotgun_d.png" }
normal { file "highres/sprites/firstperson/2613_shotgun_n.png" parallaxbias 0.1 parallaxscale 0.1 }
specular { file "highres/sprites/firstperson/2613_shotgun_s.png.png" }
skin { pal 0 surface 4 file "highres/sprites/firstperson/duke_hand_d.png" }
normal { file "highres/sprites/firstperson/duke_hand_n.png" parallaxbias 0.1 parallaxscale 0.1 }
specular { file "highres/sprites/firstperson/duke_hand_s.png.png" }

frame { name "frame_1" tile 2613 }

frame { name "frame_2" tile 2616 }
frame { name "frame_20" tile 2617 }
frame { name "frame_30" tile 2618 }
frame { name "frame_60" tile 2619 }
frame { name "frame_1" tile 2614 }
frame { name "frame_1" tile 2615 }


hud { tile 2613 xadd 0.32 yadd 0.81 zadd 0.8 angadd -1200 }
hud { tile 2614 hide }
hud { tile 2615 hide }
hud { tile 2616 xadd 0.24 yadd 0.7 zadd 0.8 angadd -1200 }
hud { tile 2617 xadd 0.2 yadd 0.9 zadd 1 angadd -1350 }
hud { tile 2618 xadd 0 yadd 0.2 zadd 1 angadd -1350 }
hud { tile 2619 xadd 0 yadd 0.2 zadd 1 angadd -1350 }

[Master Fibbles]

Thanks. I fixed it. I really should wait until the HUD stuff is working before commenting on graphics.

One thing I will say is that the animation isn't bad. I notice that things get really stretched out and the shotgun does seem to change size in the animation. It is noticeable but not bad.
I'll let someone else critique it further.

[Radar]

Please post screens for us folks who can't get polymer working on our computers, anyone.

[Spiker]

Yeah, I'm still waiting for ozz to doom me Also it's hard to improve things without any comments. Unfortunatelly the one you mentioned might be not possible to fix in the current state.

[NightFright]

You have some typos in your defs above. Sometimes, ".png.png" ending is used. I have corrected this in the version implemented into SVN.

General opinion about HUD shotgun:
> Good animation and model
> Shotgun skin needs improvement (I think, normal/spec maps are not used at all for some reason, it all looks flat)
> Muzzleflash needs improvement (has some ugly black square around its edges)

*EDIT*
I see you have already noticed the skin and muzzleflash issues above. My bad. ^^

[Master Fibbles]

Well, the normal/spec maps aren't implemented in the HUD yet, are they? not in a "public" build of eduke. Also, about the muzzle:

Quote

There is a problem with alpha on the muzzleflash when playing with polymer but Plagman says it will be fixed, it's fine in polymost.

Now we have a HUD model polymer made...but no public polymer HUD. The waiting game begins....

[NightFright]

SVN build #143 committed. Changes:

> New HUD shotgun/pickup (by Spiker): #28, 2613
> New hand skin (by Parkar) for tiphand (also for shotgun)
> Modified textures: #742_d/n/s, 764

As soon as the new HUD shotgun is finalized/properly working (at least with fixed muzzleflash, depending on new EDuke32 snapshot), I will issue a new HRP preview so that all folks can check it out.

[Spiker]

Short notice: There is no hand model by it's own (every md3 needs it's own) but the skins can be shared and the hand is not by me but Parkar. Yes, normal maps don't work in the HUD yet.

[Lunick]

Shotgun is nice

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[ReaperMan]

Lunick said:

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Happy B-Day!!!!!

@ Spiker: The chamber where the shells are eject from the shotgun seem to be a bit too wide, it should be skinnier.

[Night Wolf]

Spiker, on Aug 11 2010, 06:42 AM, said:

Yeah, I'm still waiting for ozz to doom me

Am I like some kind of Design Nazi to you?
I just tell it like it is.

It looks alright, although the animation.... looks well "rubbery".
It's hard to judge when the polymer HUD isnt working.

Is it just me who thinks the shotgun looks a little small?
It looks as if the weapon is as big as the pistol :S
Wouldn't it seem more right to be around this size/perspective?
http://www.vgblogger.com/wp-content/upload...2-DLC-gun01.jpg

It's rather debatable whether its right to stick to the original sprites size and perspective...
it looks odd with a model, no modern game I have seen would have it's perspective and size like that...

[Spiker]

I can experiment with size a bit. But as you noticed my aim was to make it close to the sprite because if I didn't do that some guys would complain. Every change is a kind of compromise and model will never look exactly like sprite because it would look stupid. No matter what you wont get 100% satisfactory result because then you would have to forget about 8 bit completely.

[Night Wolf]

Spiker, on Aug 11 2010, 06:15 PM, said:

I can experiment with size a bit. But as you noticed my aim was to make it close to the sprite because if I didn't do that some guys would complain. Every change is a kind of compromise and model will never look exactly like sprite because it would look stupid. No matter what you wont get 100% satisfactory result because then you would have to forget about 8 bit completely.

This shotgun is a tricky one.
I think in some terms its best to avoid faithfulness 8bit sprites, the sprite shotgun looked weird to begin with (size wise)
I think it would be best to just forget scaling it down.
It really does look weird having a shotgun the same size as a handgun.

Imo, I would go for a more modern approach as seen in the link I posted
why not improve from the sprites....

I wonder how the duke plus shotgun worked

Edit: heres another picture of a modern game shotgun HUD
Its actually quite simmilar to the one in duke without the pump handle & a shorter heat sheild

http://img.techpowerup.org/070906/MOHA%202...23-38-39-70.jpg

now if the shotgun looked somewhat like this we would have a winner, imo.

[NightFright]

BTW: Since removing pre-made palettes for #707/708 worked well, it should be checked if it is safe to remove any palettes different from pal0 for other highres tiles, too. Some HRP filesize could be cut off if we didn't need extra tiles for pal1-x any more.

[Cage]

Hope that's the final revision of my #4112





Normal and spec for Ozz's #276

[Night Wolf]

NightFright, on Aug 11 2010, 08:04 PM, said:

BTW: Since removing pre-made palettes for #707/708 worked well, it should be checked if it is safe to remove any palettes different from pal0 for other highres tiles, too. Some HRP filesize could be cut off if we didn't need extra tiles for pal1-x any more.

Indeed ... that being said, maybe #0276 pals should be removed?

.................

@Cage

Nice work ... it would be interesting to see a parallax version of #276

[SchoeteCitie]

Alright how do i get the new shotgun model to work? i downloaded the latest polymer hrp but it still has the original stretched shotgun model then i deleted the shotgun in first person in the HRP zip and put the shotgun.zip in my autoload but it still doesnt work.

[NightFright]

SVN build #144 committed. Changes:

> Added: #276_n/s; 4112_s
> Modified: #4112_d/n
> Removed: Outdated/unused textures (#151, 181, 191, 293, 297, 312, 362, 414, 448, 449, 457, 458, 749, 781, 783, 823, 884, 1169, 1215-1217, 3397, 4112, 4130-4133)

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Regarding autotinting:
It seems it does not work for all tiles, e.g. #297 needs predefined tile, otherwise it is displayed with default color in E2L3. Every tile has to be checked before its pal can be removed from HRP, it seems...

Commented-out normal/spec maps in textures.def:
These should be checked and fixed by someone, if possible.
> 0070 --> normal map existing, spec missing
> 0186 --> 0186_s looks like 0186_d
> 0297 --> not tested yet
> 0313 --> not finished/integrated
> 0381 --> n/s not existing
> 1024 --> n/s not existing
> 1097 --> current defs cause display errors
> 4112 --> incorrect defs

[Master Fibbles]

SchoeteCitie, on Aug 11 2010, 09:39 AM, said:

Alright how do i get the new shotgun model to work? i downloaded the latest polymer hrp but it still has the original stretched shotgun model then i deleted the shotgun in first person in the HRP zip and put the shotgun.zip in my autoload but it still doesnt work.

The files are not put in folders correctly in the zip. You have to change the folder structure.

Since I haven't spent the time to integrate the shotgun defs with my other defs, I don't have a fully working setup either (but the shotgun works).

[NightFright]

SchoeteCitie, on Aug 11 2010, 04:39 PM, said:

Alright how do i get the new shotgun model to work? i downloaded the latest polymer hrp but it still has the original stretched shotgun model then i deleted the shotgun in first person in the HRP zip and put the shotgun.zip in my autoload but it still doesnt work.

Try putting attached zipfile into HRP autoload folder. Note that you should not integrate this into your HRP file.