[SwissCm]

When you create modern 3D objects you generally make 2 seperate models; a high-resolution model and a low resolution model. The high resolution model is used to create a normal map for use with the low resolution model so it's usually best to create the high resolution model first and pack as much polygonal detail in it as possible, including bumpy textures, symbols, anything like that. You can then create a diffuse texture for the low res model and bake the normal map onto that which is currently necessary since Polymer doesn't support normal mapped HUD weapons. For pickups you can use a non-baked diffuse texture, normal map and specular.

[Tea Monster]

If it is your intention to only make a low-poly model, then that will do.

If you are making for the P-HRP then you have to make a low-poly and then a high poly and then bake the high to the low.

The high-poly model SHOULD have screws and manufacturers labels and ingraved text, dings, scratched paint and the whole 9 yards.

That is why we are re-doing the pack with next-gen assets, as they can be low poly and LOOK like high poly.

Check out this thread at polycount. See all the detail on the gun? Then look at the wires. Its a low-poly model. But forget screws, you can see the wood-grain on the handle!

There is no reason why Duke can't have stuff that looks like this (once we get the HUD working!!)

[PimpUigi]

ozz, on Jul 19 2010, 02:35 PM, said:

Shotguns coming along pretty well, the perspective looks pretty spot on.
The back part still looks a little odd, it seems a bit sharp in tems of angle, maybe it needs more polys?
The top back part of the gun has a line shape as seen in theres sprites, few other details too
or are you planning to add these details in via normal mapping?


I'm getting this feeling like the back part is thicker in the sprites, but this could just be the angle?

can we see a screen shot of the whole model too?

See that looks nice, don't forget to leave a big amount of space for the Atomic symbol.
That's one of the most important parts of Duke Nukem's shotgun. And one overlooked in the current shotgun. ie they did it poorly

[ReaperMan]

@ Spiker

The shotgun's perspective is perfect.

One thing that is seriously bothering me is the part that ejects the shells is in the wrong spot, it should higher up on the gun, look at the sprite.

[Night Wolf]

Pretty much the shotgun has to be up to the quality of the other HUD models redone for the P-HRP.
The new Pisol & Devastator models are very highly detailed, and they look fantastic... the shotgun needs more work to be up to their level.
Probably best to just model the shotgun as close as possible to the picture of the real shotgun the TM posted
http://dynamicarmame...v2008/50580.jpg
then add in the nuke symbol

After all they made the spites from that gun. (Although the pump part was smoother & didnt have grip)

[Tetsuo]

Since the grip is a handle it would be redundant for the pump part to have grip.... neither the sprite or the photo have ribbing on the pump part.

[Night Wolf]

Tetsuo, on Jul 20 2010, 06:45 PM, said:

Since the grip is a handle it would be redundant for the pump part to have grip.... neither the sprite or the photo have ribbing on the pump part.

Yeah ribbing , that's what I ment by grip ... wasn't sure of the technical words for gun parts.

[Tetsuo]

Me either really I'm just calling it what it looks like.

[Night Wolf]

Remade the Arcade sign
now it's actual neon lights!

#1046

[SwissCm]

Ya know that texture is actually used as a sprite in-game so it would be quite possible to create a cool looking 3d model instead.

[Hendricks266]

Keep the texture for user maps, etc.

[SwissCm]

 Hendricks266, on Jul 22 2010, 08:30 AM, said:

Keep the texture for user maps, etc.

Of course, still be nice to have a 3d model though

[Night Wolf]

A 3D model would be awesome, although for people who dont like the models atm, sprites are also needed.

[Night Wolf]

Remade this ceiling texture, now its a more realistic mineral fiber ceiling board

#1204

[KillerBudgie]

Man ozz. You sure are one badass texture making machine!

[NightFright]

Definition values for this one? Same as existing ones?

Otherwise: SVN Build #138 committed. Changes:

> Modified: #1046, 1204 (d/n/s)

[Night Wolf]

 NightFright, on Jul 23 2010, 04:36 AM, said:

Definition values for this one? Same as existing ones?

I would keep them the same.

[MusicallyInspired]

Question. How do I download the latest updates via the SVN? I'm on svn.eduke32.com but I can't seem to find a download option...

[High Treason]

@MusicallyInspired; You might want to read this, I always thought they should sticky that thread, ah well. http://forums.duke4....?showtopic=2251

[MusicallyInspired]

Thank you.

[The Commander]

 High Treason, on Jul 23 2010, 04:26 PM, said:

@MusicallyInspired; You might want to read this, I always thought they should sticky that thread, ah well. http://forums.duke4....?showtopic=2251

Yes it should be IMO
So I put my request forward. lol

[Night Wolf]

Remade this metal tile for polymer.
I couldnt seem to generate a working normal map for this, anyone want to give it a go? =)

#0218

[Spiker]

ozz, on Jul 23 2010, 12:40 PM, said:

Remade this metal tile for polymer.
I couldnt seem to generate a working normal map for this, anyone want to give it a go? =)

Looks rather simple. Why you couldn't generate it?

[Night Wolf]

Spiker, on Jul 23 2010, 09:09 PM, said:

Looks rather simple. Why you couldn't generate it?

Yeah I know hey... not sure.. some tiles just don't want to work.
When I gererate it with Nvidia normal map filter, the edges just drop straight off, same situation I had with the monitor tiles.
It only seems to work 50% of the time with me, I'm most probably doing somthing wrong

[Spiker]

I've downloaded your texture and it works for me. Try messing with range setting.

[Night Wolf]

Spiker, on Jul 24 2010, 01:01 AM, said:

I've downloaded your texture and it works for me. Try messing with range setting.

Range setting aih...
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I'm not gonna lie i'm only guessing what you mean by that haha
I'm essentially just fiddling with things I dont understand and hope for the best .. it works sometimes others not so much.
I should really look up how to use this filter properly.

Edit:
This is what's happening

It might be to do with my height map, hmmm

[Spiker]

The pickup version of shotgun is basically done. I think it looks pretty good but I think I won't release it. It has problem with "face normals" and from what I've heard this is probably an engine problem which discourages some artists from making models for polymer.

Also I won't make the HUD version since noone wants to share with me the hands that should be used with it, and these should be consistent as far as I know. Thank you for your attention.

[Master Fibbles]

What do you mean by "face normals"?

Also, if you ask, you could probably get the hand models...

[Spiker]

Basically speaking the normal map does not look exactly as it should. I asked

[Cage]

how about this one:



Btw. I found that when I have my heightmap as a separate layer (not as background) in photoshop, I end up with a weird normal map (kinda similar to one you've posted)