[zchri9]

Piano Man, on Jun 22 2009, 02:23 AM, said:

WHY MUST YOU TAUNT US LIKE THIS.... I SO WANT THIS... SCREW IF IT HAS BUGS... I AT LEAST WANT TO TRY IT OUT....

I think they should be making SVN's of it public by now.

[Stabs]

i wouldnt say its ready just yet

still needs flashing / pulsating light SE's,
some objects still are not dynamic lights
spotlight can do funny things to lighting in other rooms, even if they are not set to shine that far
gun in hud dosnt reflect the lighting around you
some sprites cast shadows that they shouldnt

point lights are good, you can use alot of them without to much of a performance hit but the way lighting hits things can look a bit odd sometimes, sometimes if they have adjacent sectors the lighting will be really dark in one and light in the other, you have to move em / split sectors to make it display right sometimes

and all round genral optimisation, i may be able to run it ok but i have a quad, so the man with a single core isnt going to be having the time of his life with this just yet (or ever) depending how well it gets tweaked up,

i dont think its a good idea to dump this thing out there with crysis-like requirements for a community that enjoys a 13 year old game, and have the devs annoyed with hundreads of emails starting with "this runs like shit etc etc"

[quakis]

Exactly how close can Polymer look like the 8bit Classic mode, without any use of the lighting system? I only ask because it seems to look like Polymer is the only way to use good ROR.

[Stabs]

the lights are only there if you put them there (asides from dynamic lights from gun flashes and fire), you could still make maps as you do and use good ROR, probably only playable in 32-bit mode only though

iam guessing in the more final version you'll have the option of disabling spotlights and dynamic lights from fires and such.

[XenoMatriX]

DanM, on Jun 22 2009, 09:50 AM, said:

room over room support like this in build?
did you sell your soul to the devil?

Dude, build has had room over room support since back in the day. The original levels make use of this feature.

[Master Fibbles]

No, the Duke3D BUILD did not have RoR but SoS. Shadow Warrior had real Room over Room.

[XenoMatriX]

Mr.Flibble, on Jun 22 2009, 04:26 PM, said:

No, the Duke3D BUILD did not have RoR but SoS. Shadow Warrior had real Room over Room.

I thought this is what he meant, my bad. so how does ror work? is it similar to sos?

[Master Fibbles]

Room over Room is what Shadow Warrior used for translucent water and such. Sector over Sector is when you layer sectors but you can't see the sectors from each other.

[Jimmy]

Shadow Warrior didn't have "real" RoR, it was faked, using what is called a stacked mirrors trick.

[Mr_Blastman]

I found a bug or is it a feature with eduke32 and polymer that can possibly prevent music packs from loading. Please go here to see more:

http://forums.duke4....?showtopic=1118

I hope this helps (if it wasn't known before) with the eventual release.

[The Commander]

Mr_Blastman, on Jun 23 2009, 05:45 AM, said:

I found a bug or is it a feature with eduke32 and polymer that can possibly prevent music packs from loading. Please go here to see more:

http://forums.duke4....?showtopic=1118

I hope this helps (if it wasn't known before) with the eventual release.

This is not a bug, this is what it is meant to do. Generally the people that have the Polymer build would know this.

[Mr_Blastman]

Mr_Blastman, on Jun 22 2009, 01:45 PM, said:

I found a bug or is it a feature with eduke32 and polymer that can possibly prevent music packs from loading. Please go here to see more:

http://forums.duke4....?showtopic=1118

I hope this helps (if it wasn't known before) with the eventual release.

Ah okay. I figured it could be a feature - but could never find any documentation of it on the wiki relating to music. I have added an entry to the installation page which will let others know how to solve this as well.

[supergoofy]

Bug report:

r1438 compiled ok. no errors or warnings.

but r1438 compiled exe is broken. it doesn't even show the startup window.

[Stabs]

XenoMatriX, on Jun 22 2009, 08:14 AM, said:

Dude, build has had room over room support since back in the day. The original levels make use of this feature.

oh its way more than the standard room over room, you can get two floors to see each other without graphics glitching

+1 1438 wont work

[AdrianG]

Polymer isn't working for me...just looks like polymost but with brightness/gamma incredibly high in some areas. I'll probably be flamed for the chipset i'm trying to run this with (and probably rightfully so, as it is pretty ridiculous), but hey, it supports SM3.0 and the OpenGL extensions Plagman said were used. I'm not expecting more than a fraction of 1 FPS here but I was at least expecting it to render properly when it finally got around to writing a frame to the display buffer.

It looks like my "card" doesn't support the exact version of an OpenGL extension that is being used. Am I just SOL here? I'm pretty sure my drivers are the latest version, but is this even something that a display driver could update? Thanks in advance.

eduke32.log (stuff that looked important in bold):

Quote

EDuke32 2.0.0unstable 20090616
addsearchpath(): Added C:/EDUKE32PLYMER/
OS: Windows XP (5.1.2600) Service Pack 2
Loading opengl32.dll
Loading glu32.dll
Initializing DirectDraw...

...


Warning: Failed including highres/projections.def on line duke3d_hrp.def:7

...

Setting video mode 1024x768 (32-bit fullscreen)
OpenGL Information:
Version: 2.0.1
Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer: GeForce Go 6150/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW! (Yeah...I know, I know...)
Cache contains 0 bytes of garbage data
Initializing Polymer subsystem...
PR : Board loaded.

PR : FBO #1 initialization failed.
PR : FBO #2 initialization failed.
PR : FBO #3 initialization failed.
PR : FBO #4 initialization failed.
PR : FBO #5 initialization failed.

PR : Initialization complete.

...


[no OpenAL]

...


Loaded map hack file '/E1L1.mhk'
Cache time: 10650ms
PR : Compiling GPU program with bits 99441...
PR : Failed to compile GPU program with bits 99441!
PR : Compilation log:
Vertex info
-----------
(1) : error C0201: unsupported version 120
(3) : warning C7508: extension GL_ARB_texture_rectangle not supported

Fragment info
-------------
(1) : error C0201: unsupported version 120
(3) : warning C7508: extension GL_ARB_texture_rectangle not supported

OpenGL Information:
 Version:  2.0.1
 Vendor:   NVIDIA Corporation
 Renderer: GeForce Go 6150/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
 Maximum anisotropy:	  16.0
 BGRA textures:		   supported
 Non-x textures:		supported
 Texure compression:	  supported
 Clamp-to-edge:		   supported
 Multisampling:		   not supported
 Nvidia multisample hint: not supported
 ARBfp fragment programs: supported
 Depth textures:		  supported
 Shadow textures:		 supported
 Frame Buffer Objects:	supported
 Rectangle textures:	  supported
 Multitexturing:		  supported
 env_combine:			 supported
 Vertex Buffer Objects:   supported
 Shader Model 4:		  not supported
 Extensions:
   GL_ARB_color_buffer_float GL_ARB_depth_texture
   GL_ARB_draw_buffers GL_ARB_fragment_program
   GL_ARB_fragment_program_shadow GL_ARB_fragment_shader
   GL_ARB_half_float_pixel GL_ARB_imaging
   GL_ARB_multisample GL_ARB_multitexture
   GL_ARB_occlusion_query GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object
   GL_ARB_point_parameters GL_ARB_point_sprite
   GL_ARB_shadow GL_ARB_shader_objects
   GL_ARB_shading_language_100 GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp
   GL_ARB_texture_compression GL_ARB_texture_cube_map
   GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine
   GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 GL_ARB_texture_float
   GL_ARB_texture_mirrored_repeat GL_ARB_texture_non_power_of_two
   GL_ARB_texture_rectangle GL_ARB_transpose_matrix
   GL_ARB_vertex_buffer_object GL_ARB_vertex_program
   GL_ARB_vertex_shader GL_ARB_window_pos
   GL_ATI_draw_buffers GL_ATI_texture_float
   GL_ATI_texture_mirror_once GL_S3_s3tc
   GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_abgr
   GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_blend_color
   GL_EXT_blend_equation_separate GL_EXT_blend_func_separate
   GL_EXT_blend_minmax GL_EXT_blend_subtract
   GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_EXT_Cg_shader
   GL_EXT_depth_bounds_test GL_EXT_draw_range_elements
   GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_framebuffer_object
   GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays GL_EXT_packed_depth_stencil
   GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_pixel_buffer_object
   GL_EXT_point_parameters GL_EXT_rescale_normal
   GL_EXT_secondary_color GL_EXT_separate_specular_color
   GL_EXT_shadow_funcs GL_EXT_stencil_clear_tag
   GL_EXT_stencil_two_side GL_EXT_stencil_wrap
   GL_EXT_texture3D GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc
   GL_EXT_texture_cube_map GL_EXT_texture_edge_clamp
   GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3
   GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic GL_EXT_texture_lod
   GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias GL_EXT_texture_mirror_clamp
   GL_EXT_texture_object GL_EXT_texture_sRGB
   GL_EXT_timer_query GL_EXT_vertex_array
   GL_HP_occlusion_test GL_IBM_rasterpos_clip
   GL_IBM_texture_mirrored_repeat GL_KTX_buffer_region
   GL_NV_blend_square GL_NV_copy_depth_to_color
   GL_NV_depth_clamp GL_NV_fence
   GL_NV_float_buffer GL_NV_fog_distance
   GL_NV_fragment_program GL_NV_fragment_program_option
   GL_NV_fragment_program2 GL_NV_half_float
   GL_NV_light_max_exponent GL_NV_multisample_filter_hint
   GL_NV_occlusion_query GL_NV_packed_depth_stencil
   GL_NV_pixel_data_range GL_NV_point_sprite
   GL_NV_primitive_restart GL_NV_register_combiners
   GL_NV_register_combiners2 GL_NV_texgen_reflection
   GL_NV_texture_compression_vtc GL_NV_texture_env_combine4
   GL_NV_texture_expand_normal GL_NV_texture_rectangle
   GL_NV_texture_shader GL_NV_texture_shader2
   GL_NV_texture_shader3 GL_NV_vertex_array_range
   GL_NV_vertex_array_range2 GL_NV_vertex_program
   GL_NV_vertex_program1_1 GL_NV_vertex_program2
   GL_NV_vertex_program2_option GL_NV_vertex_program3
   GL_NVX_conditional_render GL_SGIS_generate_mipmap
   GL_SGIS_texture_lod GL_SGIX_depth_texture
   GL_SGIX_shadow GL_SUN_slice_accum
   GL_WIN_swap_hint WGL_EXT_swap_control

GPU has 512 MB of shared RAM allocated, though I doubt that matters at all as far as my roadblock.

[Plagman]

AdrianG, on Jun 23 2009, 08:26 AM, said:

It looks like my "card" doesn't support the exact version of an OpenGL extension that is being used. Am I just SOL here? I'm pretty sure my drivers are the latest version, but is this even something that a display driver could update? Thanks in advance.

The graphics driver has total control over which OpenGL extensions are exposed and what version they "report", yeah. What you're experiencing is interesting; do you know exactly which driver version you have installed? The NVIDIA control panel might help you with that. It really ought to work properly on your card.

[Stabs]

http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/OS-Enh...ributable.shtml

thats the latest dx redistributable, might help you out AdrianG

[AdrianG]

Plagman, on Jun 23 2009, 02:12 AM, said:

The graphics driver has total control over which OpenGL extensions are exposed and what version they "report", yeah. What you're experiencing is interesting; do you know exactly which driver version you have installed? The NVIDIA control panel might help you with that. It really ought to work properly on your card.

My current ForceWare version is 86.02. Nvidia doesn't even provide display drivers for the 6xxx Go series (wtf?) which is why I thought I was current, but I'm looking at third party drivers now to see if I can find something more recent. Thanks DanM, but I'm already running DX9.0c.

[Plagman]

Yeah, a ridiculously old driver would cause the problems you're seeing.
Try installing this: http://www.nvidia.co...86.18_whql.html
The installer might or might not let you install it, though. Let me know how it goes.

[TerminX]

If the driver doesn't install, find the modded inf that corresponds to the driver version here: http://www.laptopvid...p?showforum=123

[AdrianG]

Thanks TerminiX, that's where I ended up. Got ForceWare 174.74 installed using the modified INF, the results are in, and damn are they good. I got about the frame rate I was expecting with my setup + HRP, and taking these was a bit tedious but well worth it. Thanks for all your hard work guys, it's looking fantastic...seeing Polymer has prompted me to register at SF in order to buy you guys some coffee. I'm usually a cheap bastard and rarely support projects that I enjoy and use as I should, but this one I just can't do that to...an insane amount of work has been put into learning the game code and providing us a wonderful port with one enhancement after another.

Anyway, nothing much new to see here really, but I just couldn't resist posting the sexiness after all the effort I put into compiling my first binary in a Win32 environment and getting it to render...so here's some more E1L1 screenies.

[Stabs]

good work dude

if ya know how to map is there a chance you could performance test?

just make a small room with 4 point lights (lotag 49 / hitag 2000) and see how that runs
now try it again but chuck a spotlight in there (lotag 50 / hitag 2000) put it near a wall so it casts some shadows.

[AdrianG]

DanM, on Jun 23 2009, 05:13 AM, said:

good work dude

if ya know how to map is there a chance you could performance test?

just make a small room with 4 point lights (lotag 49 / hitag 2000) and see how that runs
now try it again but chuck a spotlight in there (lotag 50 / hitag 2000) put it near a wall so it casts some shadows.

I haven't used Build since '99 or so but I've been toying with the idea of getting back into it...I was literally getting 1-3 FPS using HRPv4+polymer_hrp though. I'll toy around with my settings some and drop the normal HRP, and if that brings me to an acceptable performance level then yeah, sure.

[Plagman]

AdrianG, on Jun 23 2009, 12:27 PM, said:

I haven't used Build since '99 or so but I've been toying with the idea of getting back into it...I was literally getting 1-3 FPS using HRPv4+polymer_hrp though. I'll toy around with my settings some and drop the normal HRP, and if that brings me to an acceptable performance level then yeah, sure.

The lighthacks for E1L1 in the polymer_hrp are pretty demanding. Did you try another map?
Also, why did you go with an older driver in the end? The latest series should support your GPU, even if you have to get the modded INF.

[AdrianG]

Plagman, on Jun 23 2009, 05:36 AM, said:

The lighthacks for E1L1 in the polymer_hrp are pretty demanding. Did you try another map?
Also, why did you go with an older driver in the end? The latest series should support your GPU, even if you have to get the modded INF.

I only had time to play around with E1L1 tonight, but tomorrow I'll start checking some of the others out. I went with ForceWare 174.74 because it was WHQL'd on LV2G, but I ended up having to use the modified INF anyway as the executable still didn't accept my hardware. I'll be installing the latest tomorrow night in light of this.

[William Gee]

Can someone post some ROR screens with nice lighting effects so I can see?

[Stabs]

William Gee, on Jun 23 2009, 03:12 AM, said:

Can someone post some ROR screens with nice lighting effects so I can see?

yer ill make a vid, really the only way to enjoy this effect

done, no lighting effects, just some good solid proof of how good this ROR is
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=RNIDlSEzeA0

[Danukem]

DanM, on Jun 23 2009, 04:52 AM, said:

yer ill make a vid, really the only way to enjoy this effect

done, no lighting effects, just some good solid proof of how good this ROR is
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=RNIDlSEzeA0

LOL, that was great.

[Usurper]

Excellent.

[nsnake]

Guys , I need help...
Unfortunately, Eduke32 Polymer builds don't work on my PC correctly (some weird texture corruption).





Problem remains even if Polymer is disabled, but if hi-res textures and models is turned off, picture became normal...
If I use last official relesed Eduke32 build, hi-res content dispalayed correctly.

First I've tried to delete texture cache - nothing, then I installed new drivers for my video (GF 9600) - nothing, tried different options in Eduke32.cfg - nothing. Everything I've tried don't help and i still get same hi-res texture corruption in Polymer builds.

OS: Windows XP (5.1.2600) Service Pack 2
Loading opengl32.dll
Loading glu32.dll
Initializing DirectDraw...
Using config file 'eduke32.cfg'.
Scanning for GRP files...
 Checksumming DUKE3D.GRP... Done
Using group file 'duke3d.grp' as main group file.
Using group file 'autoload/duke3d_hrp.zip'.
Compiling: GAME.CON (151190 bytes)
Including: DEFS.CON (35992 bytes)
Including: USER.CON (45482 bytes)
GAME.CON: In actor `ORGANTIC':
GAME.CON:3968: warning: found `else' with no `if'.
GAME.CON: In state `pigshootenemystate':
GAME.CON:5891: warning: found `else' with no `if'.
Found 2 warning(s), 0 error(s).
Resizing code buffer to 16187*4 bytes
Script compiled in 32ms
Compiled code size: 16179*4 bytes, version 1.4+
Pointer bitmap size: 2024 bytes
1918/11264 labels, 321/2048 variables
125/16384 quotes, 0 quote redefinitions
0/88 event definitions, 207 defined actors
Initialized 32.0M cache
Definitions file 'duke3d.def' loaded.
RTS file DUKE.RTS was not found
Initializing OSD...
Using keyboard layout 00000409
Initializing DirectInput...
  - Enumerating attached input devices
    * MOUSE: Мышь
    * KEYBOARD: Клавиатура
Setting video mode 1024x768 (32-bit fullscreen)
OpenGL Information:
 Version:  3.0.0
 Vendor:   NVIDIA Corporation
 Renderer: GeForce 9600 GT/PCI/SSE2
Cache contains 0 bytes of garbage data
Initializing Polymer subsystem...
PR : Board loaded.
PR : Initialization complete.
Initializing music...
Loading OpenAL32.DLL
OpenAL Information:
 Version:  1.1
 Vendor:   Creative Labs Inc.
 Renderer: Software
Initializing sound...
Initializing MultiVoc... 
  - 32 voices, 1280 byte mixing buffers
Initializing DirectSound...
  - Primary buffer format: 2 ch, 44100Hz, 16 bits
  - Creating secondary buffer

Plese help, I want to play Duke with Polymer.

P.S. Sorry for my english, it's not my native language.