[supergoofy]

the new official snapshot is probably based on r1487, but without the polymer stuff.

[KillerBudgie]

Too bad that r1487 keeps crashing on me, even when I don't select Polymer. This one might be much more stable.

[lycanox]

Is there a change log or something like that for this build.

[Danukem]

KillerBudgie, on Aug 8 2009, 02:42 AM, said:

Too bad that r1487 keeps crashing on me, even when I don't select Polymer. This one might be much more stable.

It isn't. It crashes for me as well, and so have other recent builds. It seems to be completely random and happens on average about once every fifteen minutes or so.

[XThX2]

Does it crash when you try to launch the game with polymer? It happens to crash for me on that, and the previous 2 versions. (Clean install, plain duke v1.5)

[KillerBudgie]

DeeperThought, on Aug 8 2009, 04:49 PM, said:

It isn't. It crashes for me as well, and so have other recent builds. It seems to be completely random and happens on average about once every fifteen minutes or so.

The same thing happens to me every now and then on these unstable builds. You get to play it for a good 15 or so minutes before the irritating error message comes up.

[Chip]

For me it crashed within the first minute - then again upon closing the game down on my third run through.

But enough of that...........TRANSPARRENT WATER!!!!! You could see that whole floating box! I then jumped in the water to join that happy little box AND could look back up through the water surafce
Since I saw 3 bugs with it I'm going to assume that its still in development? Still, WHEEEEE!!!!! TRANSPARRENT WATER!!!!!

[TerminX]

Strange that these crashes don't happen to me. Post some logs! I've since changed the eduke32_current.zip back to the previous snapshot, but the newer binary is still in the directory for anyone that wants to try it.

[Chip]

I'm thinking its relating to .ogg audio files. (since .ogg audio is causing irregular clicking blips with this build)
My crash within 1 minute was at the hands of my actor using his flame thrower - each partical of that weapon has an impact sound of .ogg format and the weapon fires fast so there were like 5+ .ogg sound files playing at the same time.
My next crash was upon leaving the game after starting an .ogg music track (using F5 + shift F5)

I'll post some logs tomorrow when I'm next on it.

[TerminX]

I think I may have found the source of the crash you guys are experiencing, but I'll have to verify by testing it more. Also found an unrelated bug in trails for custom hitscan projectiles that happened to show up while I was testing for the sound problem, so at the very least that's definitely one less crash that'll happen.

[Danukem]

TX, on Aug 8 2009, 05:14 PM, said:

I think I may have found the source of the crash you guys are experiencing, but I'll have to verify by testing it more. Also found an unrelated bug in trails for custom hitscan projectiles that happened to show up while I was testing for the sound problem, so at the very least that's definitely one less crash that'll happen.

I don't know if it's the one you just fixed, but there used to be a bug that caused the hitscan trail to go through walls. It provided an easy way to make a railgun type weapon, because the trail actors could then be coded to do damage.

[Master Fibbles]

Quote

Fatal Signal caught: SIGSEGV. Bailing out.
g_errorLineNum: 0, g_tw: 0
UDP network uninitialized successfully

I also get the crash after the loading screen.

[Fox]

Mr.Flibble, on Aug 8 2009, 10:03 PM, said:

I also get the crash after the loading screen.

I have take that error several times.

It can be:

1) You are using GIF based textures, which unfortunatelly has an error on Eduke32 reading (at least you can replace with PNG, with 256 colors palette if you want)
2) The game crashes for me if there is missing a texture defined in DEFs

This is where it us more usual

[Gambini]

Ok, so i´ve placed SE 49 as lights in a map of mine, for some reason sometimes the lights that have no xyzvel values just wont cast any light, while the ones where i set a value in these fields, work. Maybe i´m supposed to tag all the SE ligths with these values in 255 255 255 to get a white light, but the curious thing is that sometimes they DO work as normal lights and some other times they dont.

I thougth it was about which polymer version i were using, but i´ve already tryed to move back to an old version without luck. Any idea?

Adding SE 49/50 lights without the need of setting its x-y-z vel values is easy, so if for some reason it has been changed lately, i suggest to allow mappers to add lights this way.

[Stabs]

i highly recommend you manually set light values and not use straight white, even for reds you should use a 100 1 1 not 100 0 0, just playing around with the lights over the past few months i have found they all sit and work nicer with manual values.

try to make it 200 200 225 for a slight blue shade if the surroundings are metallic, and a 200 200 180 works nice as a soft yellow which is nicer on brick/stone.

as for priority and sector splitting with multiple point lights

eg



even if your sector does not need those sectors you should split them so the light will sit properly and also boost your frame rate.

[BrOiler1985]

Can someone send me a newer (compiled) version of e-duke with polymer? My version is really, really old!

[Master Fibbles]

ILovefoxes:
I am using the latest HRP (to my knowledge) and I don't think it has any GIFs or errors in the DEF code.

It crashes when it starts to load the 3D stuff so there is probably something wrong with that...

[Gambini]

DanM, on Aug 9 2009, 12:21 AM, said:

i highly recommend you manually set light values and not use straight white, even for reds you should use a 100 1 1 not 100 0 0, just playing around with the lights over the past few months i have found they all sit and work nicer with manual values.

try to make it 200 200 225 for a slight blue shade if the surroundings are metallic, and a 200 200 180 works nice as a soft yellow which is nicer on brick/stone.

as for priority and sector splitting with multiple point lights

eg

priority.jpg

even if your sector does not need those sectors you should split them so the light will sit properly and also boost your frame rate.

Thanks for your advice, i will put in practice your tips to see if i get how it looks.

However, and put aside eyecandy, allowing mappers to use light 0 0 0 as a ligth 255 255 255 (pure white both, since black light doesnt exist in world) is plain simplicity since it´s way easier to set a light 0 0 0 from the 3d view than finding every SE 49 sticked into a millon of sprites and giving to it the proper values.

About using barely coloured lights, i´ve experimented high slowdowns in the fps counter myself. It´s this a common thing? for other engines i work white lights are always cheaper than coloured lights.

[Stabs]

hmm ill have to see what a pure vanilla white offers, i really havnt really used them in months

but as for lights i find right shift + insert is the best way to mass produce them.

[TerminX]

Can anyone building from svn verify that the latest commits fix the crashes after playing for 20 minutes or so? It's a good thing EDuke32 mods are so damn fun or else these crashes after an extended period of time would really be a pain in the ass to debug.

[Danukem]

TX, on Aug 9 2009, 06:47 PM, said:

Can anyone building from svn verify that the latest commits fix the crashes after playing for 20 minutes or so? It's a good thing EDuke32 mods are so damn fun or else these crashes after an extended period of time would really be a pain in the ass to debug.

I just went 25 minutes with no crash. It only crashed when I quit the game (it always does that, and has been doing that for about a month).

[The Commander]

DeeperThought, on Aug 10 2009, 05:13 PM, said:

It only crashed when I quit the game (it always does that, and has been doing that for about a month).

Can't say that happens here.

[Stabs]

as for me the only crashes ive had are going back into mapster from an autosave.map test, cant really pinpoint it to anything.

BTW i think i scored more FPS by simply putting eduke32.exe as something ffdshow cant use.


with every new eduke32 build i delete all cache files and the eduke.cfg aswell, you can leave the binds

[Hendricks266]

I've noticed that after I F10 out of the game, it sometimes segfaults after the binds are written and DirectDraw is uninitialized.

I've also noticed that PLR_MORALE does not override the displayed armor amount in TX's modern HUD.

Another thing is that the quotes displayed for inventory items are off, so that the medkit says "STEROIDS", the steroids say "HOLODUKE", and so on, until the boots say "AUTO AIMING".

[itsmydamnation]

i just signed up to say, GREAT F***ING WORK!! last time i looked at Duke 3d/HRP was well over a year ago, a lot has changed! i complied the latest SVN for Eduke and its working brilliantly 99% of the time (i get about 600 frames a sec) , had one game crash in about 6 hours of play ( i have a heavily overclocked 4850) and an occasional long pause when picking up a new gun (only seemed to happen with duke plus guns) .

i just found the SVN for polymer HRP so im downloading that now.

If i didn't have a massive exam coming up in September ( CCIE ) i would gladly help on the conversion of those plane old boring textures . If i pass in September and help is wanted i would most certainly chip in, not that i have any idea what im doing but im a quick learner.

out of all the old game modding communities going around this one seems to be making massive strides.

cheers

[SkullHacker]

I just succesfully compiled my first build ever. Played E1L1 and E2L1. Seems to work perfectly. A lot of 'tesselation errors' in the console though, whatever the fuck that means, and I just had a strange bug in E1L1 in which all polymer lights just dissapeared, but came back when I restarted the level.

Now where's that polymer lightmaps pack... I've had it and lost it before, but where the heck did I get it from?

[itsmydamnation]

SkullHacker, on Aug 18 2009, 12:01 AM, said:

I just succesfully compiled my first build ever. Played E1L1 and E2L1. Seems to work perfectly. A lot of 'tesselation errors' in the console though, whatever the fuck that means, and I just had a strange bug in E1L1 in which all polymer lights just dissapeared, but came back when I restarted the level.

Now where's that polymer lightmaps pack... I've had it and lost it before, but where the heck did I get it from?

there is maphack with lightmaps on the polymer HRP source but it looks like only the first level is done:
https://svn.eduke32.com/polymer_hrp/

[z0mb1e]

where is everyone getting a polymer build? can someone send me one?

[Danukem]

Polymer does not support the view distortion that occurs in the other renderers when the player changes y size (from shrinking or growing). I hope it is added, because that effect is useful.

[itsmydamnation]

hi i have been reading though this thread i have something to suggest, maybe you already planned something along these lines or maybe it can already be done, i dont know because i haven't really looked into yet it.

I was reading that there is currently a maximum of 5 light sources that can be cast on a surface and this in the future would likely be tied to a configurable setting under renderrer settings in the future. well if you do that i would also think it would be useful to be able to conditionally use light sources based on this value set.

so for example set you define 3 settings low, medium, high. low has 3 lights per surface , medium has 6 lights per surface and high has 10 lights per surface.

now imagine a room that has a bunch of lights(not light sources) in it,

for low you might just want to define one strong light source in the room to light the entire room. where as on medium you might have 3 or 4 weaker light sources and high even more. it would also make sense to be able to define a light source that can be used for multipule settings where there are cases where there would be the same lighting requirement regardless of the configurable setting set.

This gives people who put in the time and effort to make very detailed lighting setups but not remove an entire chuck of users whos machines cant handle it.




ps: is there anywhere that documents the features of the eduke32 /polymer engine/renderrer particularlly around textureing filtering/mapping etc and the ligthing side of things, im keen to do some research into these different aspects and contribute something to a project thats doing some kick arse work!

Cheers