[darkprince227]

Just downloaded the latest eduke32 build. Not sure why but my AVG didn't seem to like it until I turned off CyberCapture.

Other than that, I can't see any problems. I'll let you guys know if anything comes up.

[TerminX]

darkprince227, on 26 July 2018 - 11:12 AM, said:

Just downloaded the latest eduke32 build. Not sure why but my AVG didn't seem to like it until I turned off CyberCapture.

Other than that, I can't see any problems. I'll let you guys know if anything comes up.

Did you download the 32-bit version or the 64-bit version?

[darkprince227]

TerminX, on 26 July 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

Did you download the 32-bit version or the 64-bit version?

It was the 32-bit version now that I look at it. Don't know why though, I have a 64-bit machine.

i think I just really wanted to download and a lot of the time, when I try it says "Server busy or per-user connection limit exceeded." until I download something else on the page and THEN click on it.
AVG says the file is safe though.

EDIT: I turned CyberCapture back on and it seems to be working OK.

[Phredreeke]

TerminX, on 26 July 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

Did you download the 32-bit version or the 64-bit version?

How about adding an alert (that can be optionally disabled) when you run the 32-bit version on a 64-bit OS?

[TerminX]

Phredreeke, on 27 July 2018 - 03:56 AM, said:

How about adding an alert (that can be optionally disabled) when you run the 32-bit version on a 64-bit OS?

It doesn't have anything to do with that... it has to do with the 32-bit version of the classic software renderer making somewhat extensive use of self-modifying code that Ken wrote by hand in x86 assembly. From the virus scanner's point of view, there is little to no distinction between this sort of thing and what certain kinds of nasty malware may do to try and obfuscate its behavior.

This is one of the reasons there is no 32-bit version of Ion Maiden.

[Phredreeke]

I know it won't help antivirus alerts, but it would help with people who unknowingly download the wrong version

[Player Lin]

Phredreeke, on 27 July 2018 - 12:03 PM, said:

I know it won't help antivirus alerts, but it would help with people who unknowingly download the wrong version

No, the real help is sent the exe file to those antivirus companies(whose AV program detected) and complain about these kind of false alerts to them I think...

Unless someone already did and they don't give a shit...

[Romulus]

I remember back in the olden days McAfee used to flag DUKE3D.GRP as a virus.

[Phredreeke]

Player Lin, on 27 July 2018 - 10:04 PM, said:

No, the real help is sent the exe file to those antivirus companies(whose AV program detected) and complain about these kind of false alerts to them I think...

Of course false positives are a problem. But even without them, running the 32-bit version on a 64-bit system is suboptimal. I did so myself for the longest time without realising it

[necroslut]

Player Lin, on 27 July 2018 - 10:04 PM, said:

No, the real help is sent the exe file to those antivirus companies(whose AV program detected) and complain about these kind of false alerts to them I think...

Unless someone already did and they don't give a shit...

But EDuke32 gets several new versions a week... wouldn't it just repeat with each new release?

[Player Lin]

necroslut, on 28 July 2018 - 07:21 AM, said:

But EDuke32 gets several new versions a week... wouldn't it just repeat with each new release?

Normally it should be fine just a verison of EDuke32 should work fine for analyzing, based what TX was said, but I'm not expert of AV so I'm not sure. I don't think those problematic code will keep changes on every version of EDuke32, if it does, then I can only suggest keep sent them the new files (still detected) or just change your AV software if it acting too sensitive. The world is already so sensitive I don't need my AV keeping to do the same shit to me so often.


Better keep bother the AV's support team/devs if still want using the AV and EDuke32 the same time if you ask me.

[Phredreeke]

Player Lin, on 29 July 2018 - 01:28 AM, said:

Better keep bother the AV's support team/devs if still want using the AV and EDuke32 the same time if you ask me.

...or use the 64-bit build (sorry if I'm starting to sound like a broken record)

[Forge]

or just add eduke32.exe to the av exception list so it'll stop alerting every time you run it, and move on

[MusicallyInspired]

All good points. I agree with the idea of putting a popup notice on the screen if you're running the 32-bit version on 64-bit OS's. A lot of people are stupid and ignorant of these things.

[Jblade]

I'm getting a "ERROR: Too many objects in cache! (cacnum > MAXCACHEOBJECTS)" crash on certain level loads...normally if I do a few consecutively; is this due to the cache size being set too low or too high? it's set to 262144 currently; but I also got crashes with double that.

Here's the log, there was literally about 9000 lines of similar error messages which I didn't include:

Spoiler

EDuke32 r6957
Built Jul 26 2018 09:37:33, GCC 7.2.0, 64-bit
Using E:/AMC_TC/ for game data
Running on Windows 10 (build 10.0.17134)
Initializing SDL 2.0.8
Searching for game data...
Using "DUKE3D.GRP" as main game data file.
Using file "AMCTC.grp" as game data.
Compiling: GAME.CON (436173 bytes)
Relocating compiled code from to 0x000000001dd17040 to 0x000000001e720040
Including: USER.CON (0 bytes)
Including: DEFS.CON (0 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCVARS.CON (52670 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCDEFS.CON (193640 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCUSER.CON (314269 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_EPS.CON (22662 bytes)
Including: AMC_Settings.ini (3032 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_LOADA.CON (27008 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_SUBTITLES.CON (187031 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_CUT_SUB.CON (285741 bytes)
Including: CODE/getzrange.con (1373 bytes)
Including: CODE/PSTATS.CON (771084 bytes)
Including: CODE/EBIKE.CON (17658 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCEXTRA.CON (537723 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCSTEPS.CON (25910 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCWEPS.CON (1037308 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCENEMY.CON (689961 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_COM.CON (265149 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCCOMP.CON (1008225 bytes)
CODE/AMCCOMP.CON: In state `JAMES_EQUIP_SCREEN':
CODE/AMCCOMP.CON:6253: warning: found `else' with no `if'.
CODE/AMCCOMP.CON: In state `ZAXTOR_EQUIP_SCREEN':
CODE/AMCCOMP.CON:6718: warning: found `else' with no `if'.
Including: CODE/AMCSCENE.CON (83345 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCALLY.CON (156217 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCDISP.CON (257087 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCITEMS.CON (218083 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_OBJECTS.CON (75408 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMCINPUT.CON (113189 bytes)
Including: CODE/LENSFLARE.CON (5504 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_ZAX.CON (257352 bytes)
Including: CODE/AMC_MIKKO.CON (13103 bytes)
Found 2 warning(s), 0 error(s).
Script compiled in 743ms, 8610864 bytes
AMC TC v3.0 Alpha
Initialized 256.0M cache
Loading "duke3d.def"
.........
Definitions file "duke3d.def" loaded in 598 ms.
Initializing OSD...
Switching keyboard layout from 00000809 to 00000409
0 joystick(s) found
Loading clip map: _clipshape0.map
Loaded clip map.
Executing "settings.cfg"
Setting video mode 1600x900 (8-bpp fullscreen)
Refresh rate: 60Hz
OpenGL information
NVIDIA Corporation GeForce GTX 1060 6GB/PCIe/SSE2 4.6.0 NVIDIA 397.64
Compile Status: 1
Compile Status: 1
Initializing music...
Initializing sound... 128 voices, 2 channels, 16-bit 48000 Hz
Cache time: 24ms
E1L1: THE AMC TEAM
Cache time: 19ms
E1L2: AMC BASE
Cache time: 3ms
E1L3: BRIEFING FILE 1
Cache time: 82ms
E1L4: THE MEGABASE
Cache time: 13ms
S_PlayMusic(): error: empty music file "dethtoll.mid"
User Map: /test.map
Cache time: 132ms
S_PlayMusic(): error: empty music file "dethtoll.mid"
User Map: /AMCTCBF.map
Cache time: 12ms
E3L1: THE CONTINUED ADVENTURES
0- ptr: 0x23ea3050, leng: 5520, lock: 200
1- ptr: 0x23ea45e0, leng: 1344, lock: 200
2- ptr: 0x23ea4b20, leng: 368, lock: 200
3- ptr: 0x23ea4c90, leng: 144, lock: 200

*snip about 9000 lines of this*

9215- ptr: 0x328d5810, leng: 2464, lock: 199
9216- ptr: 0x0, leng: 602550352, lock: NULL
Cachesize = 268435456
Cacnum = 9217
Cache length sum = 848126384
ERROR: Too many objects in cache! (cacnum > MAXCACHEOBJECTS)
Switching keyboard layout from 00000409 to 00000809

[Mark]

Looks like its long overdue to run Mapster scripts and find out what assets are not being used and delete them. You couldn't pay me enough to do it.

[necroslut]

I noticed that there's an "alternate weapon" keybind now - a carryover from Ion Maiden, I assume... Does that mean we're finally getting proper support for defining new (more than 11) weapons?

[Hendricks266]

necroslut, on 31 July 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

I noticed that there's an "alternate weapon" keybind now - a carryover from Ion Maiden, I assume... Does that mean we're finally getting proper support for defining new (more than 11) weapons?

It's for the Duke 64 mod. In Duke 3D it functions for the Shrinker and Expander.

[necroslut]

Hendricks266, on 31 July 2018 - 03:49 PM, said:

It's for the Duke 64 mod. In Duke 3D it functions for the Shrinker and Expander.

Yeah, I noticed it worked with the Expander. It seemed weird to include a special keybind just from toggling between those two weapons though.
So, does that mean "no"? Just a special keybind for mods to use without overwriting an existing one?

[Hendricks266]

The idea is modeled after a similar bind that was added to SWP. Such a bind would be useful for any Build game that has multiple weapons or weapon modes per numeric key slot, including new games.

This bind functions correctly as-is. It is not part of anything larger, though it will work well with whatever ends up being implemented in the future.

I am irritated by "finally".

[necroslut]

Hendricks266, on 31 July 2018 - 03:57 PM, said:

The idea is modeled after a similar bind that was added to SWP. Such a bind would be useful for any Build game that has multiple weapons or weapon modes per numeric key slot, including new games.

This bind functions correctly as-is. It is not part of anything larger, though it will work well with whatever ends up being implemented in the future.

I see. Yeah, SWP/Redux came to mind, but Shadow Warrior has five guns like that and Duke only one, so it seemed a bit overkill if just for Duke - which I assumed it was related to IM.

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I am irritated by "finally".

Uh, why? Such functionality has been mentioned as being, not in development or really planned AFAIK, but as wanted and on the horizon somewhere. Since it didn't have it already, but it would be welcome to have it, that would make it "finally".
"Finally" doesn't necessarily mean "I can't believe you assholes let us wait this long!".

[Phredreeke]

I requested that feature. Duke64 has three weapons with different forms of ammo in addition to the shrinker/expander

[Fox]

It's not just for mods. I add features to Eduke32 as if it supported all Build games.

[necroslut]

Phredreeke, on 31 July 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

I requested that feature. Duke64 has three weapons with different forms of ammo in addition to the shrinker/expander

Yeah, I forgot the port/mod allows you to switch between ammo types manually unlike the console version.

Fox, on 31 July 2018 - 04:52 PM, said:

It's not just for mods. I add features to Eduke32 as if it supported all Build games.

Makes sense then.

[Danukem]

necroslut, on 31 July 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

I noticed that there's an "alternate weapon" keybind now - a carryover from Ion Maiden, I assume... Does that mean we're finally getting proper support for defining new (more than 11) weapons?

I guess it depends on what you mean by "proper support". It's a royal pain to hook additional weapons into the existing structures, especially when shoehorning in new weapon switch logic so that all the added weapons work correctly with the next/previous weapon keys. BUT, for anyone willing to put in the work, it's quite possible to ignore the hardcoded structures entirely and make your own system with an unlimited number of weapons, or any system you like. One could argue that providing gamevars and all the other fundamental features needed to make a new system from scratch is all the proper support that we could ask for.

[necroslut]

Trooper Dan, on 31 July 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

I guess it depends on what you mean by "proper support". It's a royal pain to hook additional weapons into the existing structures, especially when shoehorning in new weapon switch logic so that all the added weapons work correctly with the next/previous weapon keys. BUT, for anyone willing to put in the work, it's quite possible to ignore the hardcoded structures entirely and make your own system with an unlimited number of weapons, or any system you like. One could argue that providing gamevars and all the other fundamental features needed to make a new system from scratch is all the proper support that we could ask for.

I know it's possible, I've played around with that myself and I'm not complaining But I'm pretty sure Hendricks or TX have talked about implementing a simpler way to add more weapons, I even seem to remember the word "proper" being used.

Well, at least we have been saved from Doom wads with 10 guns per slot...

[December Man]

Nvm

[spacekebab]

has anyone else had trouble with the forcesetup = 1 param (in the config) with the last few builds?

[December Man]

I've been getting out of memory CTDs after attempting to load a game with my mod on the newest eDuke32 versions: 20180903-6976 and 20180906-6978. On 20180809-6969 it works fine.

[Danukem]

December Man, on 06 September 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

I've been getting out of memory CTDs after attempting to load a game with my mod on the newest eDuke32 versions: 20180903-6976 and 20180906-6978. On 20180809-6969 it works fine.

That's interesting. I have never experienced this problem myself, but I have seen similar reports from players on Mod DB regarding Alien Armageddon, and in those cases it is 6969 that is being used.

I think there was a recent change in which compiled script is no longer included in saved game files, and it may have something to do with that.