[Hendricks266]

 TerminX, on 04 September 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

Hey, at least the messages weren't blank.

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ass rape

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I bet this breaks something

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[Plagman]

So, huh, this is fixed? Cause I didn't do anything. I'm assuming Helix did then? Either way, thanks.

[Jblade]

Would it be possible for you guys to add a blacklist command to the def files that we can add a map's name to so they won't show up in the usermap menu?

[Helixhorned]

Plagman, on 04 September 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

So, huh, this is fixed? Cause I didn't do anything. I'm assuming Helix did then? Either way, thanks.

There is no bug, but a pseudo-regression because default settings have changed. DanM only needed to set r_usenewshade to 1 and r_pr_artmapping to 0. That said, with all the different options there's some need to be able to override cvars during some local scope, for example while a certain map is played. It's not that pressing when this logic is handled by the mod/TC (for example, because it sets the value in each map), but imagine a set of independent maps played with vanilla EDuke32...

James, on 05 September 2013 - 12:48 AM, said:

Would it be possible for you guys to add a blacklist command to the def files that we can add a map's name to so they won't show up in the usermap menu?

Do you want to hide certain levels from users? Keep in mind that there's no real protection there as everything is readily extractable if it's not plainly on disk...

[Jblade]

Helixhorned, on 05 September 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

Do you want to hide certain levels from users? Keep in mind that there's no real protection there as everything is readily extractable if it's not plainly on disk...

While true, adding even one layer of preventation is enough to keep most people away from it IMO. I think more people would cheat in newer games if you had all the levels readily available from the main menu even if the names aren't quite clear at first

[Micky C]

I have this problem where ambiant looping sounds simply don't play when they're anywhere near other SFX sprites. I have like 250 voices in the sound menu, so why is this happening? Very destructive to the atmosphere

[Helixhorned]

James, on 05 September 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

While true, adding even one layer of preventation is enough to keep most people away from it IMO. I think more people would cheat in newer games if you had all the levels readily available from the main menu even if the names aren't quite clear at first

But there's nothing wrong with this form of "cheating", is there? It's similar to skipping forward in a movie or a book -- you may miss out cool stuff and ruin the experience, but other than that no harm is done.

Deeper Micky, on 07 September 2013 - 01:42 AM, said:

I have this problem where ambiant looping sounds simply don't play when they're anywhere near other SFX sprites. I have like 250 voices in the sound menu, so why is this happening? Very destructive to the atmosphere

Can you provide a test map? Note that sounds with bit 1 set will only ever play one instance. (We may want to add another sound bit to to disable that particular aspect of it.)

[Jblade]

But playing maps out of sequence will harm things since they depend on variables in other levels being set. It's also ugly looking and not very clear when you hit the usermaps and see by default all of the internal maps as well. At the very least by default they should be hidden so only external levels are visible at first. Since EDuk3e32 autoloads the megaton edition I have to scroll through all of duke's default maps as well now.

Either this or a way to disable the menu all together would be appreciated.

[TerminX]

Just name the maps you don't want showing up in there with a file extension other than .map.

[Jblade]

That's a good idea actually, thanks.

[TerminX]

No problem, sometimes the best option is the easiest one.

[Spiker]

Do the cutscenes like episode 4 intro play fine for you with the recent snapshots?

[Helixhorned]

Deeper Micky, on 07 September 2013 - 01:42 AM, said:

I have this problem where ambiant looping sounds simply don't play when they're anywhere near other SFX sprites. I have like 250 voices in the sound menu, so why is this happening? Very destructive to the atmosphere

I took a look at your map: you were using sound #186 which has bit 1 set. It's hard-coded to ever play only one instance since Duke3D. My theory about why they made it like this is that it was supposed to be able to create an extended, non-circular region where an ambience sound would be played without directional preference. You'd construct such a region by overlapping the circular regions of multiple MUSICANDSFXs and presumably, you'd only want one instance of the same sound playing at any time then. However, I can't find a compelling instance of something like this in the original maps: the regions all seem to be more or less disjunct.

The workaround in your case is to clear bit 1 from the offending sound, either by creating a new sound definition, or overriding it like this:

definesound GENERIC_AMBIENCE10     h2orush2.voc    0   0   0   2   0

Note that I used to recommend setting bit 1 to all looped sounds, but for those played from MUSICANDSFXs, that's not necessary since r3336 (some amendments had to be made, IIRC).

[Helixhorned]

Spiker, on 15 September 2013 - 10:22 AM, said:

Do the cutscenes like episode 4 intro play fine for you with the recent snapshots?

Confirmed, in Polymer they seem to to either stay at the first frame and sometimes even keep the first frame of a previous cutscene, e.g. nuke when playing E4 intro.

[Fox]

May I ask, why the default setting is mouse wheel up for previous weapon, and wheel down for next weapon? Shouldn't it be the other way around? I find that to be counterintuitive, especially since the weapons are selected using the number keys.

[Plagman]

I had to add special code to artmapping to invalidate the Polymer copy of the ART data when the movie was blasted directly into the tile each frame. Was that code removed somehow or did it only ever work with the intro anims?

[Mark]

Fox, on 18 September 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

May I ask, why the default setting is mouse wheel up for previous weapon, and wheel down for next weapon? Shouldn't it be the other way around? I find that to be counterintuitive, especially since the weapons are selected using the number keys.

If it has been this way for a long time I say leave it alone. If someone wants to change it on their own copy they can.

[Plagman]

Isn't it like that in every game? It is in Half-Life for sure since the weapon selector is a drop down list.

[Mark]

I checked a few other games and that is how its set up there too. Not sure if me or by default but I'm guessing default. So my vote is leave it as is.

[MusicallyInspired]

It is usually how it is. However, I don't even use the wheel so I don't care. But for the sake of not confusing people I say leave it as is.

[necroslut]

That's how it is in most games, but not all games.

[Jblade]

I don't like it that way but just about every single game I've played has it set that way, it's just the standard (much like how WASD is now the standard for movement instead of the arrow keys)

[MusicallyInspired]

Or uninverted mouse look....it used to be inverted by default. Like a mouse tethered to the back of the head, not acting as the eye balls. I hate uninverted mouse look.

[Tetsuo]

At least most games come with Y inversion options for mouse\camera. I always Y invert.. even on a gamepad. Practically the only games that don't have it... or at least exposed in the options are a bunch of Unity engine games. I don't know why so many devs there have a blind spot to that.

[NightFright]

Since apparently some folks are running into memory problems with EDuke32 and Polymer: How much longer until we can expect 64-bit builds? My first playtests a few months ago have already revealed at least minor FPS increases when using it, so I think it'd be cool to have it in the near future, especially considering the fact that HRP texture and skin resolutions continue to increase.

[supergoofy]

the last 64bit build by hendricks266

http://hendricks266....973-20130719.7z

[Hendricks266]

Since we removed nedmalloc, there should be no impediment to converting synthesis from the current Wine+MinGW32 setup to the native i686-MinGW-w64 setup that we've tried 2-3 times. It shouldn't be too hard to add x86_64-MinGW-w64 builds too.

[Hendricks266]

New binaries of the Build tools, built with MinGW 4.8. http://hendricks266....dtools_r4075.7z

[NightFright]

Excellent news! I hope regular x64 snapshots will pop up at the EDuke32 website eventually.

[Fox]

How feasible would be to rework the enemies killed and max kills counts? It has been broken in the DOS version too. I did some tests, and this is what I have found:

1) The following enemies don't work with RESPAWN, but still count to the max kills:
- Recon Car
- Egg

2) The following enemies doesn't count to the max kills, but do for the enemies killed:
- Egg
- Shark

3) Additionally, the Octabrain is the only enemy that decreases the number of enemies killed when it is revived in Damn I'm Good.

The first case only affects Red Light District as far I know. The second affects almost all levels excluding episode 1, basically making it look like all enemies have been killed while there are plenty of left.


For the first case, while it would be relatively easy to simply make a special check so that the Recon Car doesn't count for the max kills, the correct solution would be to check if the actor x-yrepeat doesn't equal zero zero before adding to the max kills.

Regarding the second case, I can think of two solutions:
A. Make it so that Eggs and Sharks count towards the max kills;
B. Make it so that the addkills command only works for actor which count for the max kills, which makes sense;
Both would work, but A would take in account the CON code idea, while B would follow the source code.

About the third case, an ugly hack would be to prevent the addkills command to work inside an ifrespawn condition. It would do the job, but is it worth to change the source code because of an inconsistency in the CON code?


Ultimately, I should ask if it isn't weird that enemies using RESPAWN only count to the max kills after they respawn? I suppose it would be relatively easy to make it so that the RESPAWN add to the max kills instead, although I don't know if that would be too much of a gameplay change. Also it would be necessary to add a routine to check if any trigger for the RESPAWN is avaiable, since there are unlinked enemies in some levels (for example Red Light District).