[Helixhorned]

Norvak, on Dec 2 2010, 02:50 AM, said:

BTW it´s possible to move the walls in this mode, right click to see what we are selecting:

and then hold right click to move the point...

No, you still drag points with LMB.

Jhect, on Dec 2 2010, 02:56 AM, said:

yea but i dont have to double tap it xD the curser/pointer you are moving are very annoying. its so hard to find the real wall you are pointing at, if you know what i mean. the yellow X on your picture.

and maybe some time it will be possible to drag the vertics instead of the walls only? i mean the ceiling vertic or floor vertic if you know what i mean? that would give some great opportunities!

Micky C, on Dec 2 2010, 05:57 AM, said:

The ability to view the map depends as we all know on the position of the camera, which is limited to the x-y plane on the grid square. This means that at some angles when sections of the map appear outside the grid, you can't have a close look at it.

Likewise, if you went purely side on, the camera can't be moved up and down, and it would be impossible to have a close up side on look at any part of the map which doesn't lie on or near the same plane as the grid itself at z coord 0. I.e I can't look at the main part of my map in the attached image.


Oh and Norvak's right, vertices can be moved, but it's the most awkward thing ever. I guess I shouldn't complain until Helixhorned has had more of a chance to work on the controls like he said.

Try the middle mouse button, it will change your z position. This is in contrast with RMB, which slides you in the (x, y) plane.
The aiming is determined with respect to the z position. As I said, it's a bit confusing right now.
Regarding dragging individual vertices, it can't be done straightforwardly simply because there are no separate vertices for the floor and ceiling as far as the map structure is concerned.
BTW, the dotted yellow line goes from your position to the nearest floor so that you have an indication of your elevation.

Roma Loom, on Dec 2 2010, 02:07 PM, said:

Also a dozen of latest mapster builds crash after loading few original maps one by one (switching 2d/3d mode inbetween) after 2nd or 3rd map... And no debug crashreport is generated in this case [GF9600GT, WinXP]

Maybe it's an infinite loop then? Is there a way to persuade you to install GDB?

[Roma Loom]

downloading...

No luck. I'm launching GDB, setting the needed dir, "file" eduke32.debug.exe, it reads symbols, "run" - it runs ok, and never hangs after dozens alt-tabs.

Launching eduke32.debug.exe outside the debugger makes it hang after few alt-tabs.

[Helixhorned]

Right. Those are the most fun to debug. I'll boot to Windows and see if I can reproduce it myself since I didn't use Polymer earlier.


... no crash in 32-bit XP and Vista for me.

[Roma Loom]

as for vidrestart bug on my notebook with ATI HD4300 onboard GDB returnes this after r_hightile 0, restartvid, r_hightile 1, restartvid:

Starting program: D:\Games\Duke3D Polymer/eduke32.debug.exe
[New Thread 5916.0x1bec]
warning: `C:\Windows\system32\ntdll.dll': Shared library architecture i386:x8
warning: `C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\wow64.dll': Shared library architecture i386:x8
warning: `C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\wow64win.dll': Shared library architecture i386
warning: `C:\Windows\SYSTEM32\wow64cpu.dll': Shared library architecture i386
warning: Could not load shared library symbols for ntdll32.dll.
Do you need "set solib-search-path" or "set sysroot"?
warning: Could not load shared library symbols for WOW64_IMAGE_SECTION.
Do you need "set solib-search-path" or "set sysroot"?
warning: Could not load shared library symbols for WOW64_IMAGE_SECTION.
Do you need "set solib-search-path" or "set sysroot"?
warning: Could not load shared library symbols for NOT_AN_IMAGE.
Do you need "set solib-search-path" or "set sysroot"?
warning: Could not load shared library symbols for NOT_AN_IMAGE.
Do you need "set solib-search-path" or "set sysroot"?
[New Thread 5916.0x357c]
[New Thread 5916.0x33fc]
[New Thread 5916.0x3ffc]
[New Thread 5916.0x2cbc]
[New Thread 5916.0x26fc]
[New Thread 5916.0x43f0]
[New Thread 5916.0x21a4]
[New Thread 5916.0x3248]
[New Thread 5916.0x39ac]
[New Thread 5916.0x32dc]
[New Thread 5916.0x3db8]
warning: HEAP[eduke32.debug.exe]:
warning: Invalid address specified to RtlFreeHeap( 1E400000, 2DA3C230 )

warning: HEAP[eduke32.debug.exe]:
warning: Heap block at 2DA178F0 modified at 2DA1790A past requested size of c


Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x0000002b in ?? ()

with eduke's crashlog with the following content

Failed to init bfd from (C:\Windows\system32\atioglxx.dll)
0x1db58eea : C:\Windows\system32\atioglxx.dll : DrvPresentBuffers 
Failed to init bfd from (C:\Windows\system32\atioglxx.dll)
0x1e00a3c7 : C:\Windows\system32\atioglxx.dll : atiPS 
0x5661ed : D:\Games\Duke3D Polymer\eduke32.debug.exe : Z:\var\www\synthesis\eduke32\eduke32\build/src/
polymer.c (775) : in function (polymer_loadboard) 
0x565d29 : D:\Games\Duke3D Polymer\eduke32.debug.exe : Z:\var\www\synthesis\eduke32\eduke32\build/src/
polymer.c (620) : in function (polymer_init) 
0x5182a6 : D:\Games\Duke3D Polymer\eduke32.debug.exe : Z:\var\www\synthesis\eduke32\eduke32\build/src/
engine.c (8260) : in function (setgamemode) 
0x4d9c53 : D:\Games\Duke3D Polymer\eduke32.debug.exe : Z:\var\www\synthesis\eduke32\eduke32/source/osdcmds.
c (364) : in function (osdcmd_restartvid) 
0x54ef21 : D:\Games\Duke3D Polymer\eduke32.debug.exe : Z:\var\www\synthesis\eduke32\eduke32\build/src/
osd.c (1776) : in function (OSD_Dispatch) 
0x54ebbd : D:\Games\Duke3D Polymer\eduke32.debug.exe : Z:\var\www\synthesis\eduke32\eduke32\build/src/
osd.c (1619) : in function (OSD_DispatchQueued) 
0x426452 : D:\Games\Duke3D Polymer\eduke32.debug.exe : Z:\var\www\synthesis\eduke32\eduke32/source/game.c (10017) : in function (app_main) 
0x55df94 : D:\Games\Duke3D Polymer\eduke32.debug.exe : Z:\var\www\synthesis\eduke32\eduke32\build/src/
winlayer.c (494) : in function (WinMain@16) 
0x5b5a16 : D:\Games\Duke3D Polymer\eduke32.debug.exe : main.c 
0x4010db : D:\Games\Duke3D Polymer\eduke32.debug.exe : crt1.c 
0x401158 : D:\Games\Duke3D Polymer\eduke32.debug.exe : crt1.c 
Failed to init bfd from (C:\Windows\syswow64\kernel32.dll)
0x75d43677 : C:\Windows\syswow64\kernel32.dll : BaseThreadInitThunk 
Failed to init bfd from (C:\Windows\SysWOW64\ntdll.dll)
0x77259d72 : C:\Windows\SysWOW64\ntdll.dll : RtlInitializeExceptionChain 
Failed to init bfd from (C:\Windows\SysWOW64\ntdll.dll)
0x77259d45 : C:\Windows\SysWOW64\ntdll.dll : RtlInitializeExceptionChain

[bullerbullerseven]

thanks helix. you explained a lot. so it is not possible to move the floor or ceiling vertic alone. maybe some time in the future? man i can see opportunities

[DavoX]

You do realize that it would be best to make an entire new 3D bsp system for that?

[Piano Man]

Helixhorned, on Dec 2 2010, 04:44 AM, said:

I'm not sure what you mean by "building on different axes" but there are no new inherent capabilities -- all you can do with the new mode you also could do before. The main goal is simply convenience for architecture that spreads wide in the z direction, for spritework, and the like.

The ability to not only create sectors from the ground... but to create sectors from the wall.

That's what I mean. The ability to actually start creating sectors from the walls horizontally. Sort of a true, room over room ability (actual 3D).

[Micky C]

You can already do that, unofficially of course, and only in polymer. It's not perfect (I'm not sure about the clipping and it disappears when you can no longer see the wall that it's branched from, but that's not a big problem). Check out High Treason's videos on how to do that http://forums.duke4....?showtopic=2988.

Jhect, on Dec 3 2010, 11:38 AM, said:

thanks helix. you explained a lot. so it is not possible to move the floor or ceiling vertic alone. maybe some time in the future? man i can see opportunities

Just to clarify, walls can never EVER be made to slope, that's the nature of the engine. It's 2D. The closest thing to that will always be having a ridiculously vertical floor or ceiling.

[Piano Man]

I have seen it... I know it's unofficial... but I'm talking about a proper, official way to build proper room over room levels.

Maybe even room over room over room

[bullerbullerseven]

oh thats sad. i wonder what the next move will be then. how will you upgrade the mapster32. maybe you should start with the controlls of the 3d view

[djdori11]

djdori11, on Dec 2 2010, 01:46 AM, said:

the problems i have with lastest builds and polymer hrp:
1.this problem:
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/2189/ed...20123041814.jpg
2.the game crashing randomly.
3.the game slow on my nice computer.
4.all other ati card problems (only liner and nearest textures filters work etc..)

when you will fix it? i really want to finsih the game with polymer hrp but this problems really annoy me.. (especialy the crashing problem) so.. yeah.. plz try to fix this problems and most important the crashing problem! thanks!

oh and i want u 2 know that this problems (except 4) happens only when i use polymer!
so.. hope you'll fix the problems soon!

[NUKEMDAVE]

My uncle just bought a laptop and I tried running Polymer on it. I didn't expect it to run it since it just has Intel graphics, but it did run it and quite well. Well, that was without using the maphacks and Polymer HRP pack. I tried it with those installed, too, but it lagged a bit. That was the only problem. Here's the specs:

[Stabs]

with stuff like this becoming more prevalent the intel graphics card can feast on penis

[Radar]

I too can run Polymer on my Intel graphics accelerater from 2007. The lights don't have any brightness level between super bright and dark, so I'm not bragging I can get it running flawlessly, but I can at least load it and play a level.

[Daedolon]

What the hell is going on, I'm away for a month and we get an isometric view for 2D mode and model clipping?

[Danukem]

Daedolon, on Dec 10 2010, 05:44 PM, said:

What the hell is going on, I'm away for a month and we get an isometric view for 2D mode and model clipping?

Yeah. Imagine what we could get if you would leave for a year.



j/k

[bullerbullerseven]

hehe. right now all it really does is giving you another view. but that can actually be useful. at least for me :S
that is the 3d view i am talking about

[VinsaneOne]

Finally, I now have a rig with enough balls to run Polymer!
It's fan-fuckin-tastic!

Setting video mode 1024x768 (32-bit fullscreen)
OpenGL Information:
Version: 2.1.2
Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
Renderer: GeForce 6100/PCI/SSE2/3DNOW!
Initializing Polymer subsystem...
PR : Board loaded.
PR : Initialization complete.
Initializing music...
Initializing sound...
EOF: EDuke32


Now going to enjoy playing all the Polymer maps I once avoided.....who needs DNF now? Not me! Hell, I can wait!

[Roma Loom]

Looks like the texture above the door is outdated. It was polymerized long time ago. I'd gladly doublechecked it but I don't recognize this map...

Actually thanks to The_Commander I've looked at this room in e1l2 and have to say that you don't have polymer HRP or it's very outdated:



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[High Treason]

Don't recognise? It's E1L2, how can you not recognise it?

[Roma Loom]

My first thought was that it's related to e1l2 but I've never looked at this door from this angle.

[The Commander]

It's the slope and the vent at the end that gives it away.

[MusicallyInspired]

You mean you've never went behind that counter to get the shotgun?

[The Commander]

I always stop there and check all my weapons because there is a sign stating me to do so.

[bullerbullerseven]

i have never seen the door from that side xD

[Mr.Deviance]

VinsaneOne, on Dec 12 2010, 10:43 PM, said:

Finally, I now have a rig with enough balls to run Polymer!
It's fan-fuckin-tastic!

Now going to enjoy playing all the Polymer maps I once avoided.....who needs DNF now? Not me! Hell, I can wait!

Not sure if you care about it, but what you have there is either very outdated or not working properly.
But then again, with a geforce 6100, the newest version of polymer wouldn't probably run decent anyway.
But I'm just enforcing what has been said above, to confirm that what you are showing in that screenshot looks very outdated/broken.
There are no bumpmaps and the lighting is too bright.
Roma Loom's screenshot shows how the latest version of polymer looks like.

Roma Loom, on Dec 13 2010, 10:15 AM, said:

My first thought was that it's related to e1l2 but I've never looked at this door from this angle.

You need to start playing some duke 3D man
I instantly recognized the door the second I saw it.
I've seen every door and every level of Duke 3D from all possible angles hundreds of times.
I would even recognize areas of duke 3d if they were untextured.

[LeoD]

Mr.Deviance, on Dec 14 2010, 05:49 AM, said:

I've seen every door and every level of Duke 3D from all possible angles hundreds of times.
I would even recognize areas of duke 3d if they were untextured.

Sounds like first symptoms of the blackhart-disease.

[The Commander]

Mr.Deviance, on Dec 14 2010, 05:49 PM, said:

I've seen every door and every level of Duke 3D from all possible angles hundreds of times.
I would even recognize areas of duke 3d if they were untextured.

Type in the console

r_pr_wireframe 1 and hit enter.

[Mr.Deviance]

LeoD, on Dec 14 2010, 03:29 AM, said:

Sounds like first symptoms of the blackhart-disease.

I wasn't being ironic. I've literally played Duke 3D way too much, especially the first levels, I know them with my eyes closed.

[Mike Norvak]

I hav a question? What graphic card recommend me to run Polymer properly, i ´m looking for something below $170 (dollars) maybe too cheap? I´m running under Windows 7 32 bits , with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual core 6000+ at 3.00Ghz and 2Gb on RAM