[ashley678]

3d realms screwed 3d realms ?

sorry just a lil quote from WWE with some words chnaged

[Kennerado]

Scott is a business man.

[MrAdidaKing]

ashley678, on May 8 2009, 05:54 AM, said:

Originally Posted by Weses
I could barely sleep last night just thinking of how much time we've wasted anticipating DNF. It better not get canceled. Come on, don't do this to me. DON'T DO THIS TO US

Joe reply

I could barely sleep last night worrying about where my paychecks will come from after the final one I get in a week. I could barely sleep worrying that I will be able to be successful in a replacement job. I could barely sleep knowing that I have a baby coming in three weeks right after I cease getting paid. DON'T DO THIS TO ME BY WHINING ABOUT A GAME. Some of us have REAL MAJOR life problems. It's just a game. Who cares? My life and my family are at risk. Don't insult me.

Joe has changed the thread title too

Man. FUCK Joe Siegler. He isn't the only one in the world trying to find a new job in a bad economy with a family and a mortgage. Who in the fuck does he think he is?? He has ALWAYS been an asshole to fans (alienating a lot of people imo.) And when 3DR finally shuts down and FANS are upset that the game they have been patiently waiting for for 13 years will most likely not come out... Its not okay to be upset about it because Joe Siegler is worrying about his next paycheck and baby.

Look at the economy you fuck. A lot of people have lost their jobs who have mortgages a family and bills. Fans are entitled to say what the fuck they want to say about you, DNF, GB, and 3DR because they have bought 3DR's fucking products and they have invested time into waiting for DNF.

Of course his rebuttal to this will be (in his usual asshole fashion) "No one asked you to wait around..." Thats what fans do... 3DR as a whole has never understood this.

[Tedades]

Still no official statement.

[NonSequitur]

Long time lurker of the 3D Realms forums here... and by long time, I mean lllloooooooooong time. I believe Duke Nukem 3D was the first thing I ever looked up on the internet back when it came out all those years ago. I've completely forgotten my login details to my account on there, if it even exists anymore, that is. I've got a lot of things to say about 3D Realms shutting down and it's frustrating the shit out of me that I can't register on their forums anymore. I don't suppose anyone here would have an extra account they'd like to donate, considering it's a sinking ship anyway?

[Tedades]

I can post on your behalf.

[NonSequitur]

MrAdidaKing, on May 9 2009, 12:00 AM, said:

Man. FUCK Joe Siegler. He isn't the only one in the world trying to find a new job in a bad economy with a family and a mortgage. Who in the fuck does he think he is?? He has ALWAYS been an asshole to fans (alienating a lot of people imo.) And when 3DR finally shuts down and FANS are upset that the game they have been patiently waiting for for 13 years will most likely not come out... Its not okay to be upset about it because Joe Siegler is worrying about his next paycheck and baby.

Look at the economy you fuck. A lot of people have lost their jobs who have mortgages a family and bills. Fans are entitled to say what the fuck they want to say about you, DNF, GB, and 3DR because they have bought 3DR's fucking products and they have invested time into waiting for DNF.

Of course his rebuttal to this will be (in his usual asshole fashion) "No one asked you to wait around..." Thats what fans do... 3DR as a whole has never understood this.

I have to agree with you here. 3D Realms has generally treated its fans like total shit over the years with their smug "when it's done" bullshit. After 12 years they refused to throw any of us a bone. Their business model and public relations policy is clearly what fucked them in the end.

I think it's pretty clear that whatever state DNF was in, it wasn't fit for release. The fact that they haven't been able to secure further funding just confirms that the game was either no where near finished, or it was a total piece of shit. Seriously, after 12 years... What the fuck? That is a huge period of time to get SOMETHING out the door. If they were having such massive problems putting it together, perhaps they should have had a closer look at the way they were operating. Even if they released the damn thing in episodic format (which has proven to be successful) they would have still been afloat.

You simply can't go in the gaming business without releasing something developed internally for 12 fucking years. What the hell were they smoking?

I gave up on anticipating the game many years ago. It got beyond a joke... But I always thought in the back of my mind that yes, it will be released, and we'll all get to see what we'd been waiting for for so long... Surely, they couldn't be THAT moronic, right? They had to have some kind of plan. Looks like I was wrong. Pack of morons, I'm afraid.

The only thing that's shocking about all of this is that it took until 2009 for them to die in the ass.

[NonSequitur]

Tedades, on May 9 2009, 12:08 AM, said:

I can post on your behalf.

Thank you for the offer. If I come up with anything really good, I'll take you up on that.

That said, if anyone wants to provide me with an alternate account they don't use I'd be very thankful.

[Tedades]

NonSequitur, on May 8 2009, 04:11 PM, said:

Thank you for the offer. If I come up with anything really good, I'll take you up on that.

That said, if anyone wants to provide me with an alternate account they don't use I'd be very thankful.

Just send PM with the content, and I'll post it on the forums.

[NonSequitur]

Tedades, on May 9 2009, 12:19 AM, said:

Just send PM with the content, and I'll post it on the forums.

Thank you... Will do if and when I think of something good.

[Jobi-Wan Kenobi]

[The Dukenator]

Where do we go
Where do we go now
Where do we go

[Dennis]

MrAdidaKing, on May 8 2009, 04:00 PM, said:

Man. FUCK Joe Siegler. He isn't the only one in the world trying to find a new job in a bad economy with a family and a mortgage. Who in the fuck does he think he is?? He has ALWAYS been an asshole to fans (alienating a lot of people imo.) And when 3DR finally shuts down and FANS are upset that the game they have been patiently waiting for for 13 years will most likely not come out... Its not okay to be upset about it because Joe Siegler is worrying about his next paycheck and baby.

Look at the economy you fuck. A lot of people have lost their jobs who have mortgages a family and bills. Fans are entitled to say what the fuck they want to say about you, DNF, GB, and 3DR because they have bought 3DR's fucking products and they have invested time into waiting for DNF.

Of course his rebuttal to this will be (in his usual asshole fashion) "No one asked you to wait around..." Thats what fans do... 3DR as a whole has never understood this.

I was writing the same post on the 3Drealms forum, but decided not to bother

That's was exactly what I was thinking when reading that response from Joe, geesh what a ......

[NonSequitur]

Dennis, on May 9 2009, 12:42 AM, said:

I was writing the same post on the 3Drealms forum, but decided not to bother

That's was exactly what I was thinking when reading that response from Joe, geesh what a ......

And the guy continues to be a douche on the forums. The people on the board are fans. The main reason they have been there all these years is because of that elusive piece of cheese that 3D Realms has been dangling in our faces all these years. The FANS are the reason they've been able to survive for the last 12 years without giving a single thing in return to the community. We all bought Duke 3D back in the day, we paid their salaries. Treating the fans with contempt for being disappointed about something they looked forward to for so long never seeing the light of day just underlines how out of touch these guys are... There's no surprise they went under.

The whole saga will go down in the history of gaming, there's no doubt about that. It's the story that senior game developers will tell fledgling employees in teaching them how NOT to run a project. People thought the Daikatana saga was a big joke... But man, this takes the cake.

[X-Vector]

ashley678, on May 8 2009, 02:13 PM, said:

they don't want Take 2 to make any money off it if they're not going to help fund finishing it's development. If they didn't care about Take 2 making money, they'd just leave 3d realms open and layoff half the staff.

Might want to try coming up with your own material next time, or at least indicate it's a quote and post the source: http://www.quartertothree.com/game-talk/sh...p;postcount=234

[ashley678]

if microsoft an sony had to cut divisions an lay off 1000s of people how in hell did people expect 3d realms to be perfectly fine ?

if developers like free radical have gone under then im surprised 3d realms lasted this long.

vector ive never heard of that site.

[MusicallyInspired]

NonSequitur, on May 8 2009, 09:48 AM, said:

And the guy continues to be a douche on the forums.

Or, you know, the company he's been working at for almost two decades(?) suddenly disappeared overnight and he's having a rough time dealing with it. That ever happened to you? Give the guy a break. For once. If ever he needed a break he probably needs it now more than ever. You could say he doesn't deserve it and maybe you're right I don't know. But at least wait for like a couple months or something at least before bad-mouthing him again. I'm not saying what he said was right, but I mean...come on. His job just disappeared. Anyone who went through this would react the same way to people constantly saying the same thing over and over.

[X-Vector]

ashley678, on May 8 2009, 05:05 PM, said:

vector ive never heard of that site.

Even though you quoted part of that post word for word?

Who said there are no miracles anymore?

[Dave-ros]

MusicallyInspired, on May 8 2009, 04:10 PM, said:

Or, you know, the company he's been working at for almost two decades(?) suddenly disappeared overnight and he's having a rough time dealing with it. That ever happened to you? Give the guy a break. For once. If ever he needed a break he probably needs it now more than ever. You could say he doesn't deserve it and maybe you're right I don't know. But at least wait for like a couple months or something at least before bad-mouthing him again. I'm not saying what he said was right, but I mean...come on. His job just disappeared. Anyone who went through this would react the same way to people constantly saying the same thing over and over.

I'm glad someone's got it -- the amount of Siegler-hatred in this thread is nauseating, as though it's somehow his personal fault that this has happened

[peoplessi]

ashley678, on May 8 2009, 06:05 PM, said:

if microsoft an sony had to cut divisions an lay off 1000s of people how in hell did people expect 3d realms to be perfectly fine ?

if developers like free radical have gone under then im surprised 3d realms lasted this long.

vector ive never heard of that site.

For one, they had A LOT of money from their games and IPs. That alone would have funded any AAA title - or should have. Seemingly it wasn't enough for DNF. Too bad, the second restart was too much.

[NonSequitur]

MusicallyInspired, on May 9 2009, 01:10 AM, said:

Or, you know, the company he's been working at for almost two decades(?) suddenly disappeared overnight and he's having a rough time dealing with it. That ever happened to you? Give the guy a break. For once. If ever he needed a break he probably needs it now more than ever. You could say he doesn't deserve it and maybe you're right I don't know. But at least wait for like a couple months or something at least before bad-mouthing him again. I'm not saying what he said was right, but I mean...come on. His job just disappeared. Anyone who went through this would react the same way to people constantly saying the same thing over and over.

I don't know the guy personally, I only periodically checked in on the forums... But every time I saw him posting, he was acting like a smug asshole. Right now he's there on the forums, still not answering any questions (yes, I know that's probably because of NDAs) and being condescending to disappointed fans. Sure, I don't envy his position, and I DO admire him for having the balls to be the only medium between the fans and the company in the middle of this shitstorm... But why does he have to be a dick about it?

There's all these poor sods on there actually willing to DONATE money to him... asking for his paypal account, etc. And he has actually said he'll accept donations! I don't know about you, but I think that's pretty morally low. That's the actions of a vulture. Shit, have some fucking dignity. He's been employed in a well paid dream job for the better part of the last 20 years, and he's willing to take handouts from vulnerable Duke nerds? Seriously, even if I were in his position, I would say NO - give your money to a REAL cause...

[NonSequitur]

Dave-ros, on May 9 2009, 01:20 AM, said:

I'm glad someone's got it -- the amount of Siegler-hatred in this thread is nauseating, as though it's somehow his personal fault that this has happened

I don't hate Siegler, and I don't think any of this is his fault (that blame lies with Broussard and the other upper management) - I just think the way he's acting at the moment is a little low. Sure, he's going through some shit, but rather than being a snappy asshole to the fans, he should be off doing something more productive with his time.

[Tedades]

SCREENSHOTS
http://talkinrealatyou.blogspot.com/

something to kill time while waiting for a statement.

[kaisersoze]

Lead, on May 8 2009, 08:35 AM, said:

If all the bits and pieces mentioned in various places (true or not) were put together it would go something like this:

• George and Scott own equal parts of 3D Realms.
  
• DNF taking forever to make costs tons of money.
  
• Scott who is arguably the smarter businessman gets tired of this over time and doesn't want to dump his money into it anymore.
  
• Scott looks to other things like Radar Group and newly launched Apogee Software LLC and leaves 3D Realms in Georges hands.
  
• Scott is still technically a manager at 3D Realms but is effectively done with 3D Realms at that point.
  
• Scott is now free to run companies as he sees fit without dealing with a 50% partner.
  
• A year or so later George wasn't able to handle it, especially with lack of Scott's personal and financial cooperation.
  
• Eventually funds begin to run low.
  
• Since Scott is out, and so is money, George drives out to California to show Take 2 the game in an attempt to wow them into funding development to finish DNF.
  
• Vague references were made to Take 2 possibly having (verbally) promising money, but didn't deliver.
  
• When George requested the $5 million from Take 2 so DNF development could be funded.
  
• Take 2 counter-offered with giving 3D Realms $30 million instead.... *IF*3D Realms sells all rights to the Duke IP. (currently Take2's only has publishing rights)
  
• George\They refuse this and keep the Duke IP, instead shutting down the company and going on life support.
  
• The purpose of not selling the IP is because the Duke IP still has the potential to make money, and it is their trademark. It would be like iD selling the Doom IP.
  
• George is said to have previously went to iD Software and Epic in an attempt to make a deal with funding for them, but is turned down.
  
• ..was also said to still have plans to contact other companies to make similar requests.
  
• A company in a better position to spend $5 million, such as EA or Microsoft are seen as the most likely candidates for possibly investing in saving DNF.

This also goes along with my line of thinking but I have a slightly different take.

I believe the game is pretty much done at this point with a few minor things here and there to add in. Now that George knows the game is basically done, he
decides he wants to get out from under Take2 publishing the title or wants a new deal from Take2 that will significantly lower their "take" of the profits while
giving more back to 3drealms. George packs up the game and goes to show them the game and then proposes a new publishing arrangement with Take2
or to get let out of their publishing contract with them. Take2 tells him they will have an answer for him shortly and he packs up and goes home. Meanwhile, he's
in good spirits because he figures he has Take2 by the balls and that after all this time, they'll cut whatever deal he wants because the game is now done.
Things are going good on the game's end and they reach a major milestone(I think this is where they basically finished up the game) and then order a barbeque
for the entire company for celebration. Take2 contacts George and says they will not renegotiate the contract and will not let 3drealms go to another publisher. Basically they tell him to "STFU". Since Take2 does not deal with George, he decides he will not let them publish DNF and shutters 3drealms and apparently, the
game.

Now whether he decides to merge with Apogee or under Radar Group is anyone's guess at this point. He could then rename the game and release it. Take2 has publishing rights for "Duke Nukem Forever" and that's it. If that game is "cancelled" it would surely mean Take2 has nothing to distribute.

I believe what Lead posted above with bits of mine are probably pretty damn close to how this all went down. Until we officially hear from George, it will be rumor and innuendo as usual with this game.

[Jobi-Wan Kenobi]

DNF SCREENSHOTS!!!!!

http://talkinrealatyou.blogspot.com/

[Tedades]

Jobi-Wan Kenobi, on May 8 2009, 05:29 PM, said:

DNF SCREENSHOTS!!!!!

http://talkinrealatyou.blogspot.com/

No shit!

[NonSequitur]

kaisersoze, on May 9 2009, 01:29 AM, said:

I believe what Lead posted above with bits of mine are probably pretty damn close to how this all went down. Until we officially hear from George, it will be rumor and innuendo as usual with this game.

Hey there Kaiser... As I said earlier, I've been a long time lurker on the 3D Realms forums for the better part of the last 10 years and for some reason your posts always stuck out to me. I admire your fandom. Pleasure to finally say g'day to ya. (Yes I'm an Aussie)

[WestSeven]

Tedades, on May 8 2009, 07:31 AM, said:

No shit!

Are these real? They look very generic / underwhelming.

[NonSequitur]

Tedades, on May 9 2009, 01:28 AM, said:

SCREENSHOTS
http://talkinrealatyou.blogspot.com/

something to kill time while waiting for a statement.

Wow, those dam shots looked great. What a crying fucking shame.

What's the chances that someone will come down on this guy's head for posting screenshots from the game? I take it that if they're allowed to release screenshots now, the project IS officially dead for good.

[Ramen4ever]

Someone should grab those screenies just in case. Also, follow the side links to other blogs for concept art, etc.

Ps. those infestation shots are pretty nasty. It reminds me of this one time I had a cold and I sneezed and snot shot out and it was all long and stretchy and...
*barf*