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3D Realms Shutting Down

#961

Microsoft wouldn't release a game with tits in. Duke is too adult for their image. Maybe they'll edit them out Duke3D style.
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User is offline   zchri9 

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#962

What about Godfather 2? Tits EVERYWHERE!!
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User is offline   Kathy 

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Microsoft wouldn't release a game with tits in. Duke is too adult for their image. Maybe they'll edit them out Duke3D style.


Mass Effect

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What about Godfather 2? Tits EVERYWHERE!!


That's EA.

This post has been edited by Lotan: 12 May 2009 - 03:16 AM

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#964

Mass effect had tits? Oh yeah it had sex I heard. Oh well there's hope yet.
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 Sinisterambo, on May 12 2009, 06:18 AM, said:

Oh well there's hope yet.


No. There. Isn't.

Nobody is going to "bail them out". Nobody is going to get them a new deal. Nobody is going to get a fundraiser going. Nobody outside the former employees is ever going to play DNF. I doubt we even get a satisfactory official statement.

The best we can hope for is to see Duke in a new game made by another developer, with another publisher, and with a different story several years from now under different circumstances.

It's over. That is all.
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 crunchysuperman, on May 12 2009, 12:53 PM, said:

It's over. That is all.


No way, it is not over, George is rushing around trying to find funds. Look, if he overseen Max Payne 1 & 2 whilst working on DNF then he can and will get DNF funded.

He even got Prey to be released.

$5 million is nothing when it comes to modern game development. Human Head (or any other medium sized gaming company) would bite George's hand off for even a share in this profit potential. It would only take the other company 6-8 months and it would go gold.

Just wait and see ;)
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#967

 Lotan, on May 12 2009, 05:51 AM, said:

Either way, we haven't seen any valid facts about that conspiracy being true. And we saw a shitload of facts that people were let go.

Conspiracy theories must have at least some strange facts that fuel their possibillity. I haven't seen those here. Just the general "it can't be" and "I don't believe".


I actually think there's more pointing at this being a conspiracy then us "seeing a shitload of facts" regarding 3drealms employees being let go.

Show us definitive fact that 3drealms employees have been let go. All we are going on is people saying "I've talked to somebody from 3drealms and yeah, they said they've been let go". If this is the "hype campaign" that they decided to go with, the employees HAVE to go along with the story. Generally, it does not take multiple days for someone to clean out their desk area. Usually, you are given a box, told to pack up and then escorted from the building. This shouldn't have taken more then 15 minutes to a half hour max. Why are there still 30+ cars there every day? Job fair? LMAO.

Everything Joe has said has been very carefully worded. Where exactly did this whole "Take2 shot down the $5million dollar completion funds request" story come from? Oh wait, somebody that was told this(feed this) was the story or better yet, "theorized" this is what happened. 3drealms certainly didn't comment on this officially. "If you don't hear it from us, it's not true/don't believe it". All these years of 3drealms never "taking" a loan and now at the finish line they're short $5 million dollars to finish it? 12 years of George being able to balance his check book/budget and out of nowhere the funds dry up at the end?

Where has 3drealms officially stated they have let go of all their employees and that the company has shut down? "If you don't hear it from us, it's not true". No offense to Joe but the last time I checked, George is the one who talks for the company and he has remained silent. Yes, Joe has commented on it but if he's indeed "in on it" then of course he's gonna say he's been "let go" and the company has closed.

So almost all the employees have Linkdin profiles. Well they knew people like Kristian where following them like hawks in that regard. George writing glowing recommendations for his fired employees that turn around and break NDAs? Rick Huenink basically leaks the entire plot of the game and yet gets a great recommendation from George? Why would any future employer interview someone who just leaked a bunch of plot points, screenshots, video, etc from a game
that's under heavy NDA bother? Because George said they could? Then they're contacted by "lawyers" to take that stuff down? Do you think the 3drealms guys would be that dense to post that stuff publicly for EVERYONE TO SEE even though it was "meant for possible future employers"? Are you kidding me? They didn't think about "passwording" their sites and giving the codes out to employers via email at the start? Take turns throwing the media up on different employee's "blogs" so everyone can save/dl everything but then "WAIT", we should have passworded that, we've been contacted by lawyers from a now defunct company regarding use of that property(NDA). Come on, this screams "VIRAL".

Then we have the saveduke.com website. Started by a JEFF SHENK who runs a site that deals with this: http://www.media-trac.com/about.shtml No, just coincidence.

I could go on and on about weird things regarding all of this but the bottom line is this:

Until George officially comments on the closure of 3drealms and the cancellation of Duke Nukem Forever, I believe this is one of the most elaborate marketing stunts ever attempted. Surely worthy of a 12 year development span.
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#968

This is getting ridiculous... Joe said about his 2nd baby coming. Do you really think that he would lie about that?

Besides, WHAT'S THE POINT in all of this? George is Kaufman wannabe or what?

This post has been edited by Lotan: 12 May 2009 - 04:25 AM

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#969

 kaisersoze, on May 12 2009, 05:09 AM, said:

I actually think there's more pointing at this being a conspiracy then us "seeing a shitload of facts" regarding 3drealms employees being let go.

Show us definitive fact that 3drealms employees have been let go. All we are going on is people saying "I've talked to somebody from 3drealms and yeah, they said they've been let go". If this is the "hype campaign" that they decided to go with, the employees HAVE to go along with the story. Generally, it does not take multiple days for someone to clean out their desk area. Usually, you are given a box, told to pack up and then escorted from the building. This shouldn't have taken more then 15 minutes to a half hour max. Why are there still 30+ cars there every day? Job fair? LMAO.

Everything Joe has said has been very carefully worded. Where exactly did this whole "Take2 shot down the $5million dollar completion funds request" story come from? Oh wait, somebody that was told this(feed this) was the story or better yet, "theorized" this is what happened. 3drealms certainly didn't comment on this officially. "If you don't hear it from us, it's not true/don't believe it". All these years of 3drealms never "taking" a loan and now at the finish line they're short $5 million dollars to finish it? 12 years of George being able to balance his check book/budget and out of nowhere the funds dry up at the end?

Where has 3drealms officially stated they have let go of all their employees and that the company has shut down? "If you don't hear it from us, it's not true". No offense to Joe but the last time I checked, George is the one who talks for the company and he has remained silent. Yes, Joe has commented on it but if he's indeed "in on it" then of course he's gonna say he's been "let go" and the company has closed.

So almost all the employees have Linkdin profiles. Well they knew people like Kristian where following them like hawks in that regard. George writing glowing recommendations for his fired employees that turn around and break NDAs? Rick Huenink basically leaks the entire plot of the game and yet gets a great recommendation from George? Why would any future employer interview someone who just leaked a bunch of plot points, screenshots, video, etc from a game
that's under heavy NDA bother? Because George said they could? Then they're contacted by "lawyers" to take that stuff down? Do you think the 3drealms guys would be that dense to post that stuff publicly for EVERYONE TO SEE even though it was "meant for possible future employers"? Are you kidding me? They didn't think about "passwording" their sites and giving the codes out to employers via email at the start? Take turns throwing the media up on different employee's "blogs" so everyone can save/dl everything but then "WAIT", we should have passworded that, we've been contacted by lawyers from a now defunct company regarding use of that property(NDA). Come on, this screams "VIRAL".

Then we have the saveduke.com website. Started by a JEFF SHENK who runs a site that deals with this: http://www.media-trac.com/about.shtml No, just coincidence.

I could go on and on about weird things regarding all of this but the bottom line is this:

Until George officially comments on the closure of 3drealms and the cancellation of Duke Nukem Forever, I believe this is one of the most elaborate marketing stunts ever attempted. Surely worthy of a 12 year development span.



kaiser, I love you just like everybody else does. but you're in denial. Snap out of it. Now.


I could write a 100+ page essay on why Lee Harvey Oswald was merely a patsy in the JFK assassination. Doesn't make it true. If you look hard enough, I'm sure you could somehow find "damning" evidence that the sky is really green with black polka dots.

The positive thing about all these people not wanting to accept reality and publicly voicing the whole "market scheme" theory is that maybe it will convince George to come out earlier and confirm that the project is dead as well as 3DR itself.

kaiser, I know this is an incredibly hard pill to swallow, but you are never going to play Duke Nukem Forever. Ever. You will die not having played the fourth official installment in the Duke series.

As will I and everybody else who never was employed at 3DR working on the game.

I know it's harsh of me to put it like this, but I'm doing you a favor by not allowing you to set yourself up for disappointment once it becomes 2018 and George still hasn't said anything.

Because he may never say anything....if I were him, I'd have my head buried in the sand right now. Seriously- what is he supposed to say? Do you think "sorry" would cut it? No matter what he writes or how he words it, he'd still end up looking like the biggest buffoon in the history of the world. Years of promises, years of "you just wait and see", years of reassuring fans.......anything he could possibly say would be ridiculed by all for eternity.

He is smart to have gone into stealth mode. If I were him, I'd change my name, appearance and identity and start completely over. I could see the "new" George owning a farm somewhere in rural Missouri.


kaiser: let go. I beg you.
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View Postkaisersoze, on May 12 2009, 02:09 PM, said:

Until George officially comments on the closure of 3drealms and the cancellation of Duke Nukem Forever, I believe this is one of the most elaborate marketing stunts ever attempted. Surely worthy of a 12 year development span.


So what you are saying is that, prior to evidence to the contrary, Broussard & co are the biggest assholes in the gaming industry?
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User is offline   Psyrgery 

#971

Nobody says nothing about this? Nothing to comment?

View PostPsyrgery, on May 12 2009, 12:30 PM, said:

Didn't no one notice the the dates of the file?

Take a look at this:

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I know it's in Spanish, but below are the translations:

Organization: 3D Realms
Creation date: 09/03/07 0:28
Last modification date: 29/07/08 23:04(Marked in red)
Last printed: 29/07/08 22:50

By that time, the supposed percentage of the game levels was about 60,8%

I've been playing with these dates on Excel, and found out this:

Posted Image

If I'm right, the last day developers were able to work on the game was on 05/05/09 (The previous day before 3DR closed down). If the dates in that file are correct and if we take them as reference (From the first day it was created, until the last day it was modified), in 508 days a 60,8% of the game had been developed. That is an approximate average of 0,119% from the total of the game levels creation per day.

It's been 280 days since the last update of that file on 29/07/08. If we follow the approximate level creation average per day, we'd obtain that an aproximate 30%~35% of the total of the game levels have been created by the day 3DR closed.

That is, ladies and gentlemen, the state of the levels was about 90%~95% finished the day 3DR shut down!!!

I can't believe they left the game when there was only 5%~10% of content left.

Your opinions are welcome

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User is offline   X-Vector 

#972

Nope.
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#973

It definitely seems too bizarre to be true that 3DR closed right at the last minute becuase of funding. "Cutting is shipping". Therefore its all done and just needed to be trimmed. The guys may well have been let go and 3DR may have closed it's doors but as I've said previously, why continue to pay for staff if they've already done their job? George would have budgetted ahead of time, it doesn't make sense. He hasn't asked Take 2 for money previously so why now?

As Kaiser (and another user Ramen4ever(?)) posted previously about there being 30 cars or so at 3DR yesterday, who could this be? Employees, potential investors? Whatever they're there for, one thing is certain, it has to do with DNF.

In no way would George be beaten so easily. He could have given up 7 years ago but didn't. Its more than money for George, Duke is his baby (albeit a grown up, close to middle aged one) and he is still trying to get funds.

Scott is still a manager/co-owner at 3DRealms and he will be thinking of ways to get funding (if this is the case).

All they have to do is chop stuff out of the bloat (even a level or 2) and they could ship.

Remember the quote from Jace Hall:-

"eh eh in eh in a in a sense of confidence and their ability to, to just close something up and get it out, they could, they could do that. I'm sure they..ah... I'm sure they could've done that a few years ago. If they wanted to".
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View PostDuke Rocks, on May 12 2009, 04:28 PM, said:

I could write a 100+ page essay on why Lee Harvey Oswald was merely a patsy in the JFK assassination.


That's actually not a really good analogy.
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User is offline   Kathy 

#975

2Psyrgery: I'm not following spoiler thread. And about 95% of the game completed. Worker's brother said something about people suggesting forking for free. That was only possible if the game was near completion. No one would work for free on the 70% completed project.
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#976

Why couldn't George have simply come out and said:

"I am working on a formal statement regarding the status of 3drealms and Duke Nukem Forever but want to assure you that this is not a viral "hype" campaign for the game. I will comment further at a later date. Thank you".

That's all it would take for me and I'm done.

I admit there is some *denial* in me but I also think the way this has gone down so far is very suspect. It's very fishy.

Did anyone catch the date the game takes place on in the "leaked plot"? April 1st. LMAO.

Lotan-Joe is the one who commented about the workers there offering to work for free. Workers who offered to work for free because they loved the game and company
so much. The same guys who days later break NDAs with releasing media and the entire "plot". These same workers who were let go last week yet seem to all still be going to the office. If George gave the go ahead for them to release this stuff, why were they contacted by "lawyers" asking them to take down those same materials? And don't even attempt to tell me that the guys had no idea how to go about passwording their supposed "private" blogs for potential future employers. One of the most secretive games and companies ever and ex employees make HUGE mistakes like that? Yeah.......

This post has been edited by kaisersoze: 12 May 2009 - 05:12 AM

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View Postkaisersoze, on May 12 2009, 02:52 PM, said:

Why couldn't George have simply come out and said:

"I am working on a formal statement regarding the status of 3drealms and Duke Nukem Forever but want to assure you that this is not a viral "hype" campaign for the game. I will comment further at a later date. Thank you".

That's all it would take for me and I'm done.

I admit there is some *denial* in me but I also think the way this has gone down so far is very suspect. It's very fishy.


Yeah, the bit about the developers that wanted to work for free to get it finished and not letting them.

It's stinking fishing. And a whole of other Bullshit too.

It looks like if somebody were playing with us while other were on a drama rampage
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User is offline   Kathy 

#978

Why couldn't George release a trailer in 2002-2006? Why not show a game if it existed? Because he didn't want to.

I think no one from the major news sites questioned whether is it a hoa or notx. Giving this statement now would even be more suspicious.

Besides, maybe there won't ve any comments further. Maybe he's not working on the things like that.



P.S. Ok, let's say that E3 is the time when this consiracy theory either dies or becomes true. If nothing happens on(around the time) E3, then it will be 100% over. 1 month is enough time.

This post has been edited by Lotan: 12 May 2009 - 05:02 AM

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#979

Jeff Shenk is a domain speculator.

Nothing more.
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View PostPsyrgery, on May 12 2009, 05:56 AM, said:

Yeah, the bit about the developers that wanted to work for free to get it finished and not letting them.

It's stinking fishing. And a whole of other Bullshit too.

It looks like if somebody were playing with us while other were on a drama rampage


People who work for you for free have nothing to threaten them.

When you pay them, if they screw you over or double cross you, you can fire them. You take away their salary. You cost them.

When you do not pay them, there is no real "control." There's no need for it.

So that's why he likely took the code, locked it up, and then fired everyone. You don't want people you don't have control over to work on your most important asset.
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View PostLotan, on May 12 2009, 01:58 PM, said:

Ok, let's say that E3 is the time when this conspiracy theory either dies or becomes true. If nothing happens on (around the time) E3, then it will be 100% over.


Maybe George should go there and ask for a %age of the funds needed from every game company as a loan.

DNF is like Jesus and T2 like Pontius Pilate. See where I'm going there?

It will be resurrected!
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#982

View PostLotan, on May 12 2009, 08:58 AM, said:

Giving this statement now would even be more suspicious.


I totally disagree with that. Once he officially comments that the game is cancelled and 3drealms is closed, I'm done. If he were to lie about that, then
X-Vector's "Broussard & co are the biggest assholes in the gaming industry" would definately apply here.
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#983

What about this. Release the game on steam and charge $130 - $150 for it.

Problem solved.
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User is offline   Richard Shead 

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#984

Doesn't matter if it was(WAS being the key word), 10% done, 60.8%, or 99.999998% done.

Duke is gone and we won't see him again(at least not in DNF).


Are you trying to say that Joe Siegler is that much of an asshole that he'd set up a real paypal account as part of the hoax, so people could donate to his personal funds that were in pretend need of a boost and the donors would waste their own hard-earned money when he really had secure job all along??

Or that these talented artists would post their work and give contact info for potential employers.....so you're trying to tell me that every other game company is in on the "hoax", too, in case one of them actually wanted to hire one of former 3DR employees???


Guys, there's a simple explanation for this: Shit happens. And it happened here. And by "shit" I mean DNF simply not "making it."
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View PostDuke Rocks, on May 12 2009, 06:13 AM, said:

Doesn't matter if it was(WAS being the key word), 10% done, 60.8%, or 99.999998% done.

Duke is gone and we won't see him again(at least not in DNF).


Are you trying to say that Joe Siegler is that much of an asshole that he'd set up a real paypal account as part of the hoax, so people could donate to his personal funds that were in pretend need of a boost and the donors would waste their own hard-earned money when he really had secure job all along??

Or that these talented artists would post their work and give contact info for potential employers.....so you're trying to tell me that every other game company is in on the "hoax", too, in case one of them actually wanted to hire one of former 3DR employees???


Guys, there's a simple explanation for this: Shit happens. And it happened here. And by "shit" I mean DNF simply not "making it."


It's also worth noting that some of my friends work in the game industry (I do not, but am a software engineer in another industry), and they are seeing the resumes of these guys. There are interviews being lined up. One person is already hired at a different company.

Those are all fake too? A huge elbaorate hoax amongst major (and minor) game companies to help promote a product that would get more press if it simply said "We're going gold. Oh. Open Beta."
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View PostRedcard, on May 12 2009, 09:09 AM, said:

So that's why he likely took the code, locked it up, and then fired everyone. You don't want people you don't have control over to work on your most important asset.


Again, these same employees who loved the company, loved working there and loved the game. Why would they jeopardize any future careers in the industry by then sabotageing the game? That definately makes NO SENSE. Come on.
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#987

Oh god why I must be away from a proper computer access right when they release new DNF media, I hope you guys have been saving everything from the blogs and putting it available for people like me. ;)
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#988

I cant belive that there are still peeple who think this is hoax. This is as real as it gets. This has gone way way too far to be a marketing scam. Just wake up and face the facts.
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#990

And Redcard, no offense but you are new around here. I don't know you and I simply cannot take what you say is true and believe it. The "I have a friend in the industry who says" or "3drealms didn't get a loan from Take2 for 5 million" is simply hearsay. NONE of this has been officially confirmed.

Here's even a better statement for George:

"It is with much sadness and regret that I am officially cancelling Duke Nukem Forever and closing 3drealms. All employees have been let go and are
now free to seek employment elsewhere. We were not able to meet our financing needs in order to get the game completed and after having tried to
secure more funding to no avail, I was forced to close the company and let all our employees go. I personally want to thank all the fans who stuck
with us over the years. I am sorry we could not finish the game.

-George Broussard


See, that's pretty easy to do. ;)
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