[btGrave]

Redcard, ok, that can be true. And what are you thinking about this: all game-devs have lists of employees with some profession (or speciality, forgot the word for it) they need. So, resume can be sended direct to that email, which figuring out in the list. So why blogs? It is very interesting to me, I mean, to read some others opinions etc.

[leechmasterb]

Redcard, on May 14 2009, 12:25 AM, said:

Because honestly, most people I know who are game-devs (and I know plenty) consider a secret club run by George "I can't release a game" B a joke.

It'd be like having an elite secret Ninja forum run by Austin Powers.

No credibility.

That was hillarious to read! ^^

[sol]

HEY! I just thought of an even better conspiracy theory that no one's thought of!

Maybe this is all a big stunt to get lots of PR for this Lord of the Rings fan movie?

** Edit

Wait maybe there is no DNF! Maybe it was all for this fan movie all along! LoTR began filming in 1999... and was planned well before that!

[Ramen4ever]

btGrave, on May 13 2009, 03:22 PM, said:

Ramen4ever, well, I thought that 3dr was founded by Apogee members, and there are Apogee Ltd. and Apogee LLC. Am I wrong?

If this is a stunt, i can see two ways:
1) The man who started it is not skilled with such stunts, too unrealistic, (the real stunt don't need some thoughts in the people soiety that this is a stunt).
2) The reason for this stunt is well-thinked PR-action, when the subject of the stunt needs attention from public.
And of course I can be wrong. The whole situation looks strange, but it has single edge, of course there is a possibility for that.

As you said it's unrealistic as a "stunt" the logical conclusion is that it isn't a stunt. This is real and 3DR is dead. DNF will not see the light of day unless nothing short of a miracle happens. As a stunt this would not help sell the game as there's more attention pertaining to the company than the game itself. Blame seems to be the favorite topic apart from conspiracy theories. And DNF was never a title that needed a "stunt" A teaser was enough to get major attention. Also.. if people would actually do a search. They would know that all Marketing and Advertising is included under publishing rights and therefore would have been a responsibility of Take 2, the company that has the publishing rights to DNF.

[leechmasterb]

sol, on May 14 2009, 12:31 AM, said:

HEY! I just thought of an even better conspiracy theory that no one's thought of!

Maybe this is all a big stunt to get lots of PR for this Lord of the Rings fan movie?

How can any of you watch movies while duke is dieing next to us?

[btGrave]

Ramen4ever, you know, if the country has the laws - there are a lot of possibilities to evade the laws without breaking them.

[Ramen4ever]

btGrave, on May 13 2009, 03:31 PM, said:

Redcard, ok, that can be true. And what are you thinking about this: all game-devs have lists of employees with some profession (or speciality, forgot the word for it) they need. So, resume can be sended direct to that email, which figuring out in the list. So why blogs? It is very interesting to me, I mean, to read some others opinions etc.

It's easier for an employer to see the work of a potential employee by checking out their blog as opposed to some secret forum that they would have to register for... "I can't even access the forums let alone the guys work.. hey lets just go to the next one"
/nuff said

[storm8ring3r]

I am underwhelmed at the turnout of cars on the 3DR parking lot and I am somewhat embarassed that I called for pics seeing them now. 12 is not a lot... :-( 50 would have been something!

[Reaper_Man]

Ramen4ever, on May 13 2009, 06:33 PM, said:

They would know that all Marketing and Advertising is included under publishing rights and therefore would have been a responsibility of Take 2, the company that has the publishing rights to DNF.

Going along that thread, I wonder if this all started from the teaser that came out last year. Maybe they didn't clear that with Take Two and they wanted to throw in the towel because of it.

[Ras]

storm8ring3r, on May 13 2009, 05:44 PM, said:

I am underwhelmed at the turnout of cars on the 3DR parking lot and I am somewhat embarassed that I called for pics seeing them now. 12 is not a lot... :-( 50 would have been something!

It's only been 30 since the closure was announced. I can't control the daily turnout, though.

[Redcard]

btGrave, on May 13 2009, 03:31 PM, said:

Redcard, ok, that can be true. And what are you thinking about this: all game-devs have lists of employees with some profession (or speciality, forgot the word for it) they need. So, resume can be sended direct to that email, which figuring out in the list. So why blogs? It is very interesting to me, I mean, to read some others opinions etc.

People have resumes on their websites all the time, and have since "personal" / "vanity" websites became popular.

It's a form of street cred in the programming world to have (if my name was Elliot Smith, for example) an email address like "me@ElliotSmith.Com"

For graphic and video artists.. their resume includes a portfolio.

Years ago.. before computers.. you'd print up the portfolio and mail it to prospective employers.

Now, you just point them to a blog. It's nothing new.

(EDIT)

Most employers don't like an unsolicited email containing a few hundred megs of images.

[johndough]

What time of day were these pictures taken?
It wasn't noon, was it?

[Ras]

It was about 3pm.

[Ramen4ever]

msleeper, on May 13 2009, 03:47 PM, said:

Going along that thread, I wonder if this all started from the teaser that came out last year. Maybe they didn't clear that with Take Two and they wanted to throw in the towel because of it.

A teaser wouldn't be something to lose millions over. I doubt it went like that.

[palan]

I posted this :
http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showpost.php...mp;postcount=48

on their memorobilia pages:

[Psyrgery]

palan, on May 14 2009, 01:32 AM, said:

I posted this :
http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showpost.php...mp;postcount=48

on their memorobilia pages:

died

[Ramen4ever]

6 feet under

[palan]

palan, on May 14 2009, 01:32 AM, said:

I posted this :
http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showpost.php...mp;postcount=48

on their memorobilia pages:

It is deleted now.
wow


Here is what I posted:
apogee/3dr memor... part deux
There was one monster thread once here. And it was awesome, 100 pages long. Now its gone!!!
Wtf happened?

Also is there any official announcement on the horizon, I imagine past week was a bitch, hopefully things are getting better, but you have to agree that you owe us dukefans some kind of statement.


p/s
I'm posting here because couldn?t start new topic.

[PokeThePower]

btGrave, on May 13 2009, 05:31 PM, said:

Redcard, ok, that can be true. And what are you thinking about this: all game-devs have lists of employees with some profession (or speciality, forgot the word for it) they need. So, resume can be sended direct to that email, which figuring out in the list. So why blogs? It is very interesting to me, I mean, to read some others opinions etc.

It's easier to review candidates if they provide a website. Typically the content you want employers to see is behind a password protected page and you provide them with the password.

What those guys have done is nothing out of the ordinary. I did it to my site. Everything that was confidential was behind a password protected page, and everything else that is ok to be in the public is out.

What happened with the leaks is they were either lazy, or too slow in password protecting it before someone noticed it was up.

As for the tasks: That was just 70 tasks left in that specific milestone.

I am actively helping friends find jobs guys... give up the conspiracy theory crap, it's getting insulting.

Additional note on why setting up a page/blog: A lot of recruiters scour LinkedIn when looking for candidates. It helps a ton for them to know if you are worth looking at if you provide a page they can quickly check in your LinkedIn profile. Since you can't possibly know every company looking for people it opens up your potential prospects. I guarantee every headhunter and recruiter immediately searched for 3DR employees on LinkedIn to contact them about possible openings when the news broke and by having a portfolio up you dramatically increase your chances of being contacted.

[Ramen4ever]

Palan.. I'm speechless.

[Richard Shead]

Yeah, what Charlie says only makes sense.

I mean, the fired staff have to somehow be able to show off what they're capable of.

And those who only had experience with DNF don't have anything else to show......so, in order to be hired elsewhere, they need at least something that would show off their skills.

Hence the reason why the shots and video were posted(and are now password protected).

[Woodensword]

Hi Wieder,

Do 3dr staff care about DNF completion anymore (as a chance/possibility to get back on their feet in the near future) or it is not considered as an option at all?

[Yatta]

Woodensword, on May 13 2009, 04:51 PM, said:

Hi Wieder,

Do 3dr staff care about DNF completion anymore (as a chance/possibility to bring their feet back on the ground in the near future) or it is not considered as an option at all?

Haha, it's Wieder, not Wielder.

I'll take a stab at your question. I think the staff cares *a lot* about the game, which is why Charlie (Wieder) said that any of them would have to be insane to leak the game in its current state. And with no money, it doesn't matter how much you care about the game's completion when it can't be funded.

[Woodensword]

Yatta, on May 14 2009, 02:53 AM, said:

Haha, it's Wieder, not Wielder.

I'll take a stab at your question. I think the staff cares *a lot* about the game, which is why Charlie (Wieder) said that any of them would have to be insane to leak the game in its current state. And with no money, it doesn't matter how much you care about the game's completion when it can't be funded.

Sorry, i edited my post but i was too late . No i mean to care as a way to bring money, for e.g. to silently finish it from their homes in parallel with searching or working in other jobs...

[Richard Shead]

I think a more relevant question would be "What are the chances of another company investing in DNF and finishing it from where 3DR left off."

Sorta like the deal with Human Head and Prey, except whatever developer picked it up wouldn't have to start from scratch.


Of course they care about it, it's just that they have no choice. Rumor has it that several team members offered to work for free!

[palan]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
With all these threads and posts being deleted on 3dr forums. It might turn out that little theory of mine might be bullseye after all:
http://www.duke4.net/forums/index.php?show...amp;#entry15325

[Richard Shead]

palan, on May 13 2009, 05:00 PM, said:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
With all these threads and posts being deleted on 3dr forums. It might turn out that little theory of mine might be bullseye after all:
http://www.duke4.net/forums/index.php?show...amp;#entry15325

Wieder, on May 13 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

.... give up the conspiracy theory crap, it's getting insulting.

[Reaper_Man]

Wieder, on May 13 2009, 07:39 PM, said:

I am actively helping friends find jobs guys... give up the conspiracy theory crap, it's getting insulting.

Yeah I really feel for the former employees, and this crap gets on my nerves and I don't even work in the industry yet. People are losing their JOBS and everyone is yelling "LOL PUBLICITY STUNT".

[Redcard]

Woodensword, on May 13 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

Sorry, i edited my post but i was too late . No i mean to care as a way to bring money, for e.g. to silently finish it from their homes in parallel with searching or working in other jobs...

Honestly, they may care.. but if they're not on the payroll, they likely won't get a chance to work on it. There are controls you have in place when someone is your employer and working for you that do not exist when they are not.

They'd be crazy to let "non-3DR" employees work on the code.. and these guys, sadly, are now non-3dr employees

[Ramen4ever]

Duke Rocks, on May 13 2009, 04:59 PM, said:

I think a more relevant question would be "What are the chances of another company investing in DNF and finishing it from where 3DR left off."

Sorta like the deal with Human Head and Prey, except whatever developer picked it up wouldn't have to start from scratch.


Of course they care about it, it's just that they have no choice. Rumor has it that several team members offered to work for free!

Chances are unknown. How many companies can you name that would not only be capable of doing this financially but would be trusted enough by 3dr/George to do a good job. Not to mention the most companies have their own games to work on.

palan, on May 13 2009, 05:00 PM, said:

It might turn out that little theory of mine might be bullseye after all:
http://www.duke4.net/forums/index.php?show...amp;#entry15325

No.