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Duke3D & SW - Early/Alpha/Beta/Gold Material

#1471

View PostSonaria The Druid, on 31 August 2015 - 11:26 AM, said:

Gearbox will never give a permission for that because this stuff means nothing for them.

Are you insinuating that my plan of calling Randy at his home phone in the middle of the night asking for betas may be ill-conceived?

This post has been edited by Marphy Black: 31 August 2015 - 12:03 PM

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#1472

View PostMarphy Black, on 31 August 2015 - 12:01 PM, said:

Are you insinuating that my plan of calling Randy at his home phone in the middle of the night asking for betas may be ill-conceived?


It lacks subtlety a pinch.

Maybe consider skywriting "RELEASE THE BETAS" over Gearbox HQ.

This post has been edited by Spastic Lagomorph: 31 August 2015 - 12:06 PM

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#1473

Right now, as much as I hate to say it, the Duke IP isn't worth much of anything, and it made sense for 3dr to give it up, even if it was to avoid a hefty penalty. When 3dr posted about the beta resurrection project, I did mention it was a bad idea to talk about the project without releasing anything, all it would do is get people's hopes up. They failed to deliver and the fallout was more animosity toward the IP, it seemed like a bad business decision.

What's done is done. I feel for the Richard and Evan who I'm sure put in long hours on the project, but shit like this happens. Gearbox won't allow it to get released, it doesn't make business sense for Randy to allow it to happen, and I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the day the reason the beta project doesn't see the light of day is Randy wants to stick it to 3dr.

This post has been edited by icecoldduke: 31 August 2015 - 12:53 PM

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#1474

View PostSonaria The Druid, on 31 August 2015 - 11:59 AM, said:

Wow. Your arguments is completely invalid. It can be leaked from ANYONE, for instance from some "old anonymous" 3DR worker and so on! A lot of old games got actively builds leaks and no one cares. For instance a lot of builds of first Unreal got leaked from somebody without any permission from Epic. No one cares.


You don't know that, you don't know who if anyone got fired for leaked Unreal builds, or if Epic discontinued partnership with whatever external studio leaked the build. Leaking builds opens 3dr up to legal action, what is the cost benefit?

This post has been edited by icecoldduke: 31 August 2015 - 01:11 PM

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#1475

I was hoping for a re - release of Time To Kill, no way Shovelware will have an interest in that or any other fan service for that matter.

As for the leak suggestion, that would get a very small pool of people into a lot of trouble, they would be mad to do that.

Shovelware may now be able to use these builds as a way to sweeten the old fan base to try and get them back on their side, but I doubt they care as there's no enough money to be made and they would probably loose time and money overseeing something like this.

If only 3D Realms could have seen how a guy that they would give a break to in the business would be crushing the company under his boot 20 years later.
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#1476

To sum it up, 3DRealms was raped in the courtroom. Likewise 3DRealms never stood a chance against a giant like Gearbox, so anyone who ever purchased a product from Gearbox is guilty.
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#1477

View PostFox, on 31 August 2015 - 02:20 PM, said:

To sum it up, 3DRealms was raped in the courtroom. Likewise 3DRealms never stood a chance against a giant like Gearbox, so anyone who ever purchased a product from Gearbox is guilty.

Well, considering that:
1)I bought a copy of DNF
2) Gearbox is now the sole owner of the Duke Nukem IP
3) I will buy all eventual Duke games that Gearbox releases
then yes, I am guilty. I am guilty of looking forward to the future of a beloved character. I am guilty of supporting the future of said character. I am guilty of giving way more importance to said character than I would to a faded memory. I will be guilty for my entire life and I will proudly wear my guilt like a medal of honor.

The Duke Nukem IP is in way more competent hands than it was when George was at the helm of 3DRealms. Would it be in better hands if it belonged to Fresch's 3DRealms? Well, it's impossible to know. Anyway, always remember that that possibility is not real, and it's not something we can interact with.

This post has been edited by Altered Reality: 31 August 2015 - 02:43 PM

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#1478

View PostAltered Reality, on 31 August 2015 - 10:31 AM, said:

I'll quote Rapture_Rising from the 3dRealms forum:

Personally, I had already lost hope in ever getting alphas or betas when I heard that Joe "hoard, brag and never share" Siegler was back at 3DRealms.

P. S.
I just noticed that the 3DRealms catalog still contains Duke Nukem games. I wonder whether they will eventually be removed...



What does Joe "hoard, brag and never share" Siegler have to do with this? I thought it's all because of Gearbox learning a little too much from Walt "cease and desist" Disney?


Also, does the "not allowing the release of" these unreleased materials extend to screenshots and videos of them? What about just describing them in detail?

This post has been edited by PikaCommando: 31 August 2015 - 02:53 PM

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#1479

View PostPikaCommando, on 31 August 2015 - 02:41 PM, said:

What does Joe "hoard, brag and never share" Siegler have to do with this? I thought it's all because of Gearbox learning a little too much from Walt "cease and desist" Disney?

Joe Siegler has a long history of bragging about his own archives of 3DRealms history, alphas, betas, unreleased projects, and then threatening of banning anyone who asks him to share them. When I read that he was back at 3DRealms, I already knew the chances of getting any historically interesting material would be zero. Now, many more people are sure of that, and even though the reason is different, the end result is the same.

Gearbox is acting exactly like 3DRealms would, if the situations were reversed. I am absolutely sure of this because in 1999 I shared a couple of screenshots of a Hollywood Holocaust remake for Quake2 I was working on, and I got a cease and desist email from George. So I ceased and desisted.

This post has been edited by Altered Reality: 31 August 2015 - 03:08 PM

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#1480

Where can we get hold of court papers describing the settlement?
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  #1481

View PostTea Monster, on 31 August 2015 - 04:50 PM, said:

Where can we get hold of court papers describing the settlement?

You can't, it was settled out of court and the terms are confidential.
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#1482

Sneaky bastards...
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#1483

View PostAltered Reality, on 31 August 2015 - 02:37 PM, said:

I am guilty of supporting the future of said character.

By "supporting" you mean funding lawsuits to make sure no Duke titles will ever shed light in the future.

Phew, we should organize a public boycott so Gearbox will release the early builds.
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#1484

View PostFox, on 31 August 2015 - 05:26 PM, said:

By "supporting" you mean funding lawsuits to make sure no Duke titles will ever shed light in the future.

I mean funding lawsuits to make sure that THERE WILL BE Duke titles in the future.

View PostFox, on 31 August 2015 - 05:26 PM, said:

Phew, we should organize a public boycott

And do what?

This post has been edited by Altered Reality: 31 August 2015 - 05:44 PM

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#1485

View PostAltered Reality, on 31 August 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

I am absolutely sure of this because in 1999 I shared a couple of screenshots of a Hollywood Holocaust remake for Quake2 I was working on, and I got a cease and desist email from George. So I ceased and desisted.


It's amazing how quickly people forget stuff like this :D.

This post has been edited by icecoldduke: 31 August 2015 - 06:19 PM

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#1486

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#1487

Still buying new DN games but boycott anything else from Gearbox Shovelware, but the trap still on there... :D
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#1488

View PostAltered Reality, on 31 August 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

Gearbox is acting exactly like 3DRealms would, if the situations were reversed. I am absolutely sure of this because in 1999 I shared a couple of screenshots of a Hollywood Holocaust remake for Quake2 I was working on, and I got a cease and desist email from George. So I ceased and desisted.


This. 3DR were famous for this kind of crap back when DNF was in production. There were shedloads of mods on Source, UT and other platlforms that were all C&D'd. The great thing about the new 3DR was that they seemed to be a lot more willing to let modders do their thing.

Now that Gearbox have taken the franchise over, that will all go back to how it was. The Cataclysm mod showed how that will play out in the future.

Any new game will more than likely release without mod tools as well, so that is the end of the line for Duke modding. 8 bit or GTFO.
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#1489

Yeah, that's the worst part. As soon as 3DR turns around and changes, they no longer have the Duke IP.
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#1490

View PostAltered Reality, on 31 August 2015 - 02:57 PM, said:

in 1999 I shared a couple of screenshots of a Hollywood Holocaust remake for Quake2 I was working on


Do you still have those screenshots by chance? Sounds like it's gonna kick ass.


I'm guessing the sharing of information would be illegal too, so what do we do from now on? Just celebrate DN3D usermaps until we all die? Gearbox is finding people to make a new Duke Nukem, but the only game I like from them is Half-Life: Opposing Force so I ain't expecting any quality from them.
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#1491

View PostPikaCommando, on 01 September 2015 - 12:41 AM, said:

Do you still have those screenshots by chance? Sounds like it's gonna kick ass.

Unfortunately not. They were on a hard drive that suffered a head crash in late 2000.

This post has been edited by Altered Reality: 01 September 2015 - 04:10 AM

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#1492

View PostFox, on 31 August 2015 - 02:20 PM, said:

anyone who ever purchased a product from Gearbox is guilty.


I took your words to heart and am currently flogging my back with a cat o' nine tails for the heinous crime of purchasing a copy of Half-Life: Opposing Force sixteen years ago.
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#1493

View PostAltered Reality, on 31 August 2015 - 02:37 PM, said:

The Duke Nukem IP is in way more competent hands than it was when George was at the helm of 3DRealms.


You can't be serious. About Broussard, DNF doesn't nullify everything else 3DRealms did; it's just like Daikatana doesn't mean Quake and Doom are shit by extension.
And there is no way in hell the Duke IP is in better hand with Gearbox compared to old-3DRealms or new-3Drealms. What good has Gearbox done since Opposing Forces? And Pitchford ? anyone can tell from the look of his smile alone
what kind of greedy lying capitalist he is, and this case is just another legal thievery he managed to pull.

View PostTerminX, on 31 August 2015 - 04:52 PM, said:

You can't, it was settled out of court and the terms are confidential.


Is it possible to know more anyway ? I mean, before the court, 3DR owned Duke Nukem 3D, they couldn't have been selling it if they didn't own it, right?!
And then after the court, now it belongs to Gearbox, even though afaik the case was about rights to future Duke games, not old ones... so how the fuck did that happen?


View PostX-Vector, on 01 September 2015 - 04:49 AM, said:

I took your words to heart and am currently flogging my back with a cat o' nine tails for the heinous crime of purchasing a copy of Half-Life: Opposing Force sixteen years ago.


Opposing Force is the only good game they ever released, and it's only an add-on.
Spoiler


This post has been edited by MetHy: 01 September 2015 - 05:17 AM

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#1494

I'm going to assume that 3D Realms still has publishing rights for Duke 3D (kind of like Atari still having publishing rights for Blood).

I'm way more concerned about how this affects the HTTKC...
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#1495

View PostMetHy, on 01 September 2015 - 05:17 AM, said:

and it's not even Half-Life's best add-on


Then what is the best HL1 add on?
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#1496

View PostPikaCommando, on 01 September 2015 - 06:06 AM, said:

Then what is the best HL1 add on?


Half-Life Before http://store.steampo...com/app/261980/

Spoiler

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#1497

Quote

You're playing as a Black Mesa scientist Andrew Winner


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#1498

I still wonder how that thing got through Greenlight
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#1499

View PostPikaCommando, on 01 September 2015 - 06:06 AM, said:

what is the best HL1 add on?


The one that retcons all of HL out from existence.
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#1500

View PostPikaCommando, on 01 September 2015 - 06:06 AM, said:

Then what is the best HL1 add on?


Blue Shift.
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