[Lunick]

It's been posted as a rumour on several websites now. We're also not the only Duke fans... I'm sure it will pick up a day or so before the countdown ends.

[Komenja]

Not to mention some people just might be getting excited at the fact that there's gonna be a new Duke Nukem game. I sure am.

[Micky C]

I completely forget this game even exists when I'm not looking directly at this thread

[Bloodshot]

I just hope this game doesn't somehow end up with DNF's humor

[ReaperMan]

Micky C, on 18 February 2014 - 10:25 PM, said:

I completely forget this game even exists when I'm not looking directly at this thread

I wasn't even aware that we were talking about it anymore.

[Micky C]

Btw lunick do we really need such a large image for the bubblegum wrappers?

[Lunick]

Micky C, on 18 February 2014 - 11:55 PM, said:

Btw lunick do we really need such a large image for the bubblegum wrappers?

It's direct from the website. I'm not sure it's going to be a problem when they will probably be gone in 7 days

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PsychoGoatee, on 18 February 2014 - 01:59 PM, said:

... there does need to be some acknowledgement of his pervy ways.

Ok, different people, different perception of Duke.

[Micky C]

Wasn't one of the big complaints from "professional" reviewers of DNF that Duke had no substances because all he did was crack one-liners, like in Duke 3D? (I.e the methods of portraying his character hadn't advanced). Or were they just coming up with any excuse they could think of to bash DNF?

If there were going to be multiple Duke games somewhat simultaneously, I'd actually prefer a mix of games where in some all he does is kick ass and make one-liners, and in others there's deeper stuff going on with a fleshed out universe. It'd be nice to see for example Duke somehow stuck in an alien culture in a different galaxy and he has to defeat the bad guys and also find a way home. Then there could be humour from differences between the societies of the aliens and earth. For example, what if being super-masculine like Duke is actually incredibly lame? Although I'd admit it'd be hard to keep that premise interesting throughout a full sized game without becoming stale and repetitive.

[----]

I am for a fleshed out universe but Duke being the stereotype without any deeper character.

Works for Gordon, can work for Duke (with different tones of the surrounding universe, of course).

[NUKEMDAVE]

There's nothing wrong with Duke having some sexual humor as long as they don't overdo it. Duke should be too busy killing aliens as he's always been in previous games prior to DNF. If they want to put anything really raunchy in the game, they should save it for the end of the game. This comes to mind:



Starting at 3:00.

[MetroidJunkie]

I agree, sexual humor can be present but it shouldn't have to be a focal point, you should have the impression that you could just as easily remove it and not have the overall game change that much, like with Duke 64. Forever is so obsessed with sexual humor that it has boob sacs on walls and an octabrain with boobs, talk about fan disservice.

[necroslut]

I don't think anyone wants the Duke series to go full Leisue Suit Larry Magna Cum Laude - except maybe the marketing geniuses at 2K.

[Ronin]

Duke needs to go back to saying his lines through gritted teeth like Clint Eastwood.

Like this, I love this bit of Zero Hour, I could be wrong but I think it's the first time we ever hear Duke say a few sentences together and it works so much better than the goofy DNF acting attempt.
Take note Fresch, Jon needs to grit them teeth, don't let him do his own thing, apparently he did his own thing in DNF and Duke never sounded worse.



Frame rates sucks on this video for what ever reason but the sound is what's important.

Here is another example of a top down game that could inspire Mass Destruction, it's a solid game but nothing on the originals, but note how it switches view in some encounters for dramatic effect. Of course top down or not, a Duke game needs secret areas.


I really hope there is coop but not if someone has to use Bombshell, the only one I could get to play a game like this with would be my brother and neither of us would pick a woman. It would be cool to have the option of a woman (for women) but two dudes kicking ass is always better. How about general Graves? Fighting along side him was probably the best part of DNF.

[Komenja]

Ronan, on 19 February 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

Duke needs to go back to saying his lines through gritted teeth like Clint Eastwood.

Agreed.

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I really hope there is coop but not if someone has to use Bombshell, the only one I could get to play a game like this with would be my brother and neither of us would pick a woman. It would be cool to have the option of a woman (for women) but two dudes kicking ass is always better. How about general Graves? Fighting along side him was probably the best part of DNF.

They could use Captain Dylan.

I'm joking, but I do think that could be hilarious.

[Ronin]

Komenja, on 19 February 2014 - 03:23 PM, said:

They could use Captain Dylan.
I'm joking, but I do think that could be hilarious.

I don't think they could use Dylan, I reckon he's Shovelwares boy now. But he would be good as an asshole coop partner in a balls to the wall overhead shooter, definitely better than a pair of tits with a gun.

[PsychoGoatee]

MetroidJunkie, on 19 February 2014 - 07:45 AM, said:

I agree, sexual humor can be present but it shouldn't have to be a focal point, you should have the impression that you could just as easily remove it and not have the overall game change that much, like with Duke 64. Forever is so obsessed with sexual humor that it has boob sacs on walls and an octabrain with boobs, talk about fan disservice.

I'm a big fan and I didn't feel disserviced by any of that. And the alien boobs on the walls thing is so bizarre I don't think it really qualifies as a sexual element, it's more like body comedy weirdness. Like Henenlotter or a more lighthearted Cronenberg. Not saying the boobs on walls thing is one of my favorite things, but I really don't have anything against it, and found it's weirdness to at least be creative, more than what your average FPS level has these days.

And I don't see the problem with an alien queen monster having boobs. That's a fun and memorable design if you ask me (I know nobody asked me ). Though in this topic I'm more here to defend strippers, babes, and that kind of lighthearted element rather than crazy alien sex comedy. But I am fine with crazy alien sex comedy for the record.

Point being, every fan of course has different taste in every category. I'm fine with a game being less nutty than DNF, just pointing out I don't think getting rid of all Duke's pervy vices is a good move character wise, in any tone of Duke game. It's all part of the character.

On this other topic of whether or not having a female co-op character would work, I'm all for that. I think Bombshell has potential to be a fun and cool character. I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the character having big boobs either for example, that's the human body. I find that character from the concept art a lot more fun and interesting than a guy in a swat team outfit.

[NUKEMDAVE]

This is the type of "King" I'd prefer Duke to be:



Not a literal king. Well, a king of kicking alien ass.

Ronan, on 19 February 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

Duke needs to go back to saying his lines through gritted teeth like Clint Eastwood.

Like this, I love this bit of Zero Hour, I could be wrong but I think it's the first time we ever hear Duke say a few sentences together and it works so much better than the goofy DNF acting attempt.
Take note Fresch, Jon needs to grit them teeth, don't let him do his own thing, apparently he did his own thing in DNF and Duke never sounded worse.

I agree, but I think they've already had Jon do some voice work, so let's hope they made him do that. Some of the clips in DNF sounded more like Jon St. John rather than Duke. Especially one of the yells he does in the monster truck.

[PsychoGoatee]

I agree Ash is an ultimate example of the kind of awesome we're shooting for. And not to nitpick the comparison, but how can Duke have any of that kind of charismatic humor if he's doing a strict Clint Eastwood impression the whole time? Wouldn't this always give Bruce the advantage?

I really dig Jon's voice in every Duke game. In Duke 3D it sounds lower quality and with a digitized distortion to it. In better quality audio even right from Time to Kill he sounds more funny and like the radio guy he is, but I don't think that is such a bad thing for the character. This is the guy who goes "AAAAAHHHHHH!" when he's hurt in Duke 3D, which I always found hilarious (in a good way). He doesn't have to be gritted teeth all the time, even in Duke 3D he has goofy sides to his delivery. I think Jon St. John still delivers a very good Duke performance.

Or how about say John McClane, Willis's humor etc. Eastwood is just one part of the recipe. The guy saying the "K-TIT" bit in Duke 3D didn't sound much like Dirty Harry to me personally, Duke has range I tell ya. Born to be wild.

[MetroidJunkie]

I doubt the developers had that in mind when they designed it. They had 'sex sells' in their mind, even the box art has it in the form of drawing focus to his pants. I called it fan disservice because it's meant to be sexy but it comes off as disturbing to me, like they're making bestiality jokes. Duke getting turned on by the octabrain didn't help...


Again, some sexual humor is okay but not the forced kind Forever employed. Duke 3D has a stripper club that you were free to just ignore entirely as you went through, Forever made it a mandatory fetch quest. I'm saying it should be minor enough that you get the impression the game wouldn't change that much without it, but it can still be there due to it being part of him.

[necroslut]

Are you serious, MetroidJunkie? Do you really think the "wall boobs" were supposed to be sexually arousing? The box art was most likely made by 2K way after that game content.

[MetroidJunkie]

Duke slaps them, says "So wrong, yet so RIGHT" and gets an ego boost. That's not meant to be interpreted as sexual? Not to mention he's clearly aroused by the octaqueen. "Hell, I'd still hit it"? "Baby, you make me wish I had THREE guns"?

[Daedolon]

Not taking "Hell, I'd still hit it" as a sarcastic joke probably means you misunderstood all the other things in DNF as well.

[MetroidJunkie]

I acknowledged it was a joke, a bestiality joke. The problem is, the sexual humor seems much more forced here than on Duke 3D, really drives the quality down. It's the kind of stuff that a pubescent kid would laugh at, not the 17+ crowd it's rated for.

[Jimmy]

Ronan, on 19 February 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

I don't think they could use Dylan, I reckon he's Shovelwares boy now. But he would be good as an asshole coop partner in a balls to the wall overhead shooter, definitely better than a pair of tits with a gun.

inb4 Gearbox says that they're taking the Duke Nukem series in a new direction and Duke gets killed in the first ten minutes then it all becomes about Dylan Shitbottom.

PsychoGoatee, on 20 February 2014 - 01:15 AM, said:

And I don't see the problem with an alien queen monster having boobs.

Everybody who complains forgets about this;

[Kathy]

PsychoGoatee, on 20 February 2014 - 01:15 AM, said:

And I don't see the problem with an alien queen monster having boobs. That's a fun and memorable design if you ask me (I know nobody asked me ). Though in this topic I'm more here to defend strippers, babes, and that kind of lighthearted element rather than crazy alien sex comedy. But I am fine with crazy alien sex comedy for the record.

Point being, every fan of course has different taste in every category. I'm fine with a game being less nutty than DNF, just pointing out I don't think getting rid of all Duke's pervy vices is a good move character wise, in any tone of Duke game. It's all part of the character.

The main thought was that it shouldn't have been the focal point. Sure, as of late the only thing going for Duke in terms of marketing was his character, thus GBX tried to push it. "It's Duke!". Yeah, sure, but while Duke from Duke3d stood on the shoulders of an awesome game, Duke from DNF was standing behind the ass of ventrilo harassment bullshit.

[OpenMaw]

Jimmy, on 20 February 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

Nah. That's a completely different situation. Duke never even remarked on it. It's just a fact that the queen has tits.Duke didn't imply he wanted to (sarcastically or not) bone it.

[Jimmy]

No, not that. I've seen people complain simply because aliens had tits. I was just pointing out that's really nothing new for the series. I agree, a lot of the remarks were hokey.

[MetroidJunkie]

To be fair, in that case, they just happened to be there and attention wasn't drawn to them. That alien is a human hybrid so it makes sense, and Duke doesn't make some disturbing pickup line joke like he does in Forever. He simply says "I'm gonna kick your ass, bitch!" The closest it gets to sexual is he shoves a pipebomb down her snatch and it's not like he was tickling it, it came off as more of an abortion joke, given his line. So basically, I'm agreeing with Commando Nukem's point.


Sorry if I was unclear, I don't so much mind the breasts if they're just part of the creature's anatomy or a human hybrid or something but Duke's liners seem to suggest they intended it to be taken sexually.

[Ronin]

Jimmy, on 20 February 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

Dylan Shitbottom.

Haha.