[Person of Color]

It's cool dude, I just ripped it from the game files and the program converted it to OGG. ME1 isn't even installed right now, my soundtrack rip got corrupted in a really freaky hollywood way. If I pull it off the file server again it will probably be fine.

[Jeff]

Funny post I came across

You know you play too much Mass Effect when this happens (found this a few days ago)

Here is a link to that program I used to insert the HD textures into the game (no more Texmod or waiting to load).

[Alithinos]

Well first of all let me tell you that the ending you saw probably wasn't the ending most of the fanbase saw,because you played the game late and Bioware revised it to cater to the criticism.
Now having played the whole series 1-2-3 I do recall why I was disappointed with 3. Here are a few reasons of what were the main criticism points:


#1 They made the Prothean guy a Day1 DLC. Day1 DLC are not welcome by the majority of players no matter what kind of DLC these DLCs actually are,but for ME3's case it's worse. And it's worse because the script of the game was leaked months before the completion of the game,and the Prothean guy was supposed to be an integral character to the main story of the game. EA butchered the story script so they can sell this character as day1 dlc,and the ending had to be changed because of that. The grand finale was supposed to feature The Illusive Man mutated at a way evolved stage to be a reaper-human hybrid that the player would fight in a boss battle,with the help of the Prothean character. Instead they made the Prothean DLC,they killed The Illusive Man in a cutscene that didn't even made sense,and came up with a little ghost boy that is supposed to be the creator of the Reapers at the last minute.They also probably decided to add London as a playable area,just so they can get people hyped because the London Olympic Games were starting a few months after.

#2 The stupid ghost kid in the Citadel. That by itself was another thing that made people go "wtf?!". It's quite obvious that this wasn't a well thought out thing,something that wasn't supposed originally to happen,and that is because it was so rushed that it barely made sense. And because as I already said the script was leaked,people knew that this was bull**** that shouldn't be there. The ghost kid is bad because it didn't made sense and screwed the mythos and lore the series had built up to that point.

#3 The game was rushed. Again,reading the original / leaked script of the game,we realize that there are parts missing like areas and quests. Among them was a more extended Citadel with an urban district,and Omega. There was also supposed to be a gradual building to a coup The Illusive Man would do on the Citadel. In the final game you just learn that a coup took place,but this has already happen when you learn it. According to the script there was supposed to be a story leading up to that,with Shepard investigating xenophobic attacks and then searching for Cerberus hideout in the Citadel where he would discover the plans for the coup. That's just one thing that didn't went to the final game.

#4 The game was dumbed. Less dialogue options,less choices,less options in general,less rpg elements,game advertised as a shooter by official EA marketing instead of an RPG like the two first games were advertised. Enough said.

#5 The promises about the endings weren't fulfilled. There was this hype that surrounded the game. The hype that was generated by people from that business that the actions you did throughout the game would effect the endings,and that there would be many,different endings. Some of the dev team even went to say "it's not going to be the usual A,B or C endings you get from other games",and guess what ? At the final moment there are 3 choices,with each one corresponding to a different ending. The endings themselves,in their initial state left many things unanswered and didn't provided enough closure.

Was 3 the weakest of the series ? Yes. Was it a bad game ? Nope.
It's just that the game was hyped like **** and expectations of everyone was higher than what they got,and also that EA made a series of bad decisions that affected the game negatively.

[Kathy]

You're basing too much just on a leaked script. Stuff always get to be thrown out of the scripts in movies and especially video games.

[Jimmy]

Implying EA didn't chop it up to sell DLC.

[Jeff]

Do you know why the kid is on the Citadel? See, it would make the Reapers look like a joke if you said goodbye to Anderson, took the elevator up, and destroyed the Reapers. No one would try to stop you. That is what the kid is there for. Do everything in their power to stop you from destroying them. It's a Reaper, taking the form of the kid you saw back on Earth to co-opt a sense of trust. There were people hanging on this kid's every word, believing whatever it said too, without thinking twice that this thing is lying in order to save it's own ass. Bioware knew that if they did it in just the right way, that a lot of people would actually listen to a Reaper. The fact that you came to destroy the Reapers, and he actually convinces you to do something else is actually brilliant writing. Past sci-fi has taught us not to trust the little kid.

The promises? Seriously, Bioware was found not guilty of that almost 2 years ago by an advertising agency that had busted corporations before. The clinching argument that shut the case was that your EMS score can ultimately effect which cutscene you get depending on your progress in past games. Or you might not even have 3 options there. If your EMS number is something like 1200, there may only be one choice. Therefore, it is not an ABC ending. I think people are essentially playing the whole "I'm right, they are wrong" at this point. Like many of us said, considering that the entire game essentially deals with your choices that the entire game is the ending.

People might bring up the "oh, but the Better Business Bureau decided that they did lie to us". Better Business Bureau is not a legal agency, unlike the other one I listed. They do not have any legal power to sue or take EA/Bioware to court and have them make good on these promises. I think all of that essentially disappears when you buy the game.

Probably mentioned this a few pages back, but two lawyers who specialize in false advertising cases stated that most of the stuff Hudson and co. said wasn't technically false advertising. I mean "wildly different endings based on your choices". Were the endings different? Yes. Did your choices affect the cutscene. Like say, if you saved Garrus or Tali in the second game X would happen. People have argued that the outcome for them isn't that significant as claimed, but your EMS ultimately triggers whether it happens though.

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On a side not, we don't hear voters holding politicians to their promises and expecting them to follow through on something they said during their campaign. Same thing here. I mean Intel stated we'd have 10 GHz CPUs by 2011, and it never happened. No one is holding them to that. Like Kathy said, things can change over the course of development. Even if what was said was 3 weeks from the release date.
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You're basing too much just on a leaked script. Stuff always get to be thrown out of the scripts in movies and especially video games.

Yep. Certain things from ME1 and even ME2 were chopped out too.

Mass Effect 3 has more RPG elements than ME2 ever had. People complained about that in ME2, so they brought back certain things to make the third game more closer to ME1 than anything.

People used that whole rushed game far too often. ME3 had an estimated budget of $40 million. So to put it in development for another 2 years would probably be another $20-40 million. Have to make up those costs somehow. In addition, since it was on the end of the console cycle, if ME3 was released for the XOne and PS4 instead of this generation, your saves might not be able to carry over. I don't know. So they had to release it in 2012, not 2014.

[Carl Winslow]

Protected by Viper, on 30 December 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

Read. Between. The. Lines.

I'd just like to take the moment to say that anyone who ever uses this phrase is a republican who thinks fox news legitimate, riveting, and unbiased. Also conspiracy theorists.

Also that this thread is still going somehow when basically every argument possible has been used up. what exactly is there left to discuss? Can we discuss how Bioware dying would be a benefit to everyone?

[Jimmy]

Your posts are bad and you should feel bad.

[Jeff]

Colon Semicolon, on 10 March 2014 - 11:31 AM, said:

Can we discuss how Bioware dying would be a benefit to everyone?

If that's how people feel, you should have cut ties with them back in 2007 and not stuck around. Be a better consumer here. Vote with your wallet, and go to a company who will treat you right. Bioware may be a good company for us, but there's probably someone else out there who will suit your needs better.

See, there's some people who essentially despise them and what they "supposedly" did to this franchise, yet ask, "oh, when's the next game coming out"? Not you, but some people I've come across.

Zapp: I hate these filthy neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand, but with neutrals, who knows.

[Person of Color]

Keep in mind I played through this game in December with all the DLC. I had no idea where the DLC started and ended. I thought in it's final form the game was coherent as hell.

Alithinos, on 08 March 2014 - 11:52 PM, said:

Well first of all let me tell you that the ending you saw probably wasn't the ending most of the fanbase saw,because you played the game late and Bioware revised it to cater to the criticism.
Now having played the whole series 1-2-3 I do recall why I was disappointed with 3. Here are a few reasons of what were the main criticism points:


#1 They made the Prothean guy a Day1 DLC. Day1 DLC are not welcome by the majority of players no matter what kind of DLC these DLCs actually are,but for ME3's case it's worse. And it's worse because the script of the game was leaked months before the completion of the game,and the Prothean guy was supposed to be an integral character to the main story of the game. EA butchered the story script so they can sell this character as day1 dlc,and the ending had to be changed because of that. The grand finale was supposed to feature The Illusive Man mutated at a way evolved stage to be a reaper-human hybrid that the player would fight in a boss battle,with the help of the Prothean character. Instead they made the Prothean DLC,they killed The Illusive Man in a cutscene that didn't even made sense,and came up with a little ghost boy that is supposed to be the creator of the Reapers at the last minute.They also probably decided to add London as a playable area,just so they can get people hyped because the London Olympic Games were starting a few months after.

EA are Jews and Javik is a boss as is. I don't agree with the original Drew Karpeshyn ending.

The cutscene made sense. The Illusive Man has always been feared due to his knowledge and intellect. He's not the kind of guy who will fight you one on one.

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#2 The stupid ghost kid in the Citadel. That by itself was another thing that made people go "wtf?!". It's quite obvious that this wasn't a well thought out thing,something that wasn't supposed originally to happen,and that is because it was so rushed that it barely made sense. And because as I already said the script was leaked,people knew that this was bull**** that shouldn't be there. The ghost kid is bad because it didn't made sense and screwed the mythos and lore the series had built up to that point.

It's not badly thought out. What is the Reapers most dangerous tactic? Mind control and manipulation. What is the Leviathan created AI trying to do? Save itself. It's programming does not allow for it to continue the cycle any more, and it is taking the form of a child who's death triggered Shepard's PTSD. It's the very last resort. It tries to win through lies and manipulation, just like oh, I don't know. Sovereign? From Mass Effect 1?

It fits with the series perfectly. I didn't want another Terminator boss battle instead of a philosophical debate with the closest thing there has ever been to an actual God. A debate that allows me to choose it's fate.

Much cooler than "Prothy is the Catalyst and dark energy is the problem, here are two choices." That's some overly religious shit.

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#3 The game was rushed. Again,reading the original / leaked script of the game,we realize that there are parts missing like areas and quests. Among them was a more extended Citadel with an urban district,and Omega. There was also supposed to be a gradual building to a coup The Illusive Man would do on the Citadel. In the final game you just learn that a coup took place,but this has already happen when you learn it. According to the script there was supposed to be a story leading up to that,with Shepard investigating xenophobic attacks and then searching for Cerberus hideout in the Citadel where he would discover the plans for the coup. That's just one thing that didn't went to the final game.

No one is going to deny that it was rushed, and that some hub worlds were cut. But you're comparing changes in the script to cut content.

Many things get cut and rewritten during movies as well. It's not always the Big Bad Jews.

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#4 The game was dumbed. Less dialogue options,less choices,less options in general,less rpg elements,game advertised as a shooter by official EA marketing instead of an RPG like the two first games were advertised. Enough said.

Less dialogue options? Yes. It made up for it with better writing, better voice acting, and more emotional moments.

But less options overall? In the main game, yes. With all the DLC, absolutely not. Your choices have FAR more impact than ME2's. There are multiple decisions in The Quarian/Geth conflict throughout ME2/3 that can prevent you from unlocking the Synthesis ending. Failing to mount a rescue at Grissom Academy results is an EXTREMELY grisly fate for Jack, it's even worse than Tali's suicide (Which you only see if you suck dick). If Javik touches his memory shard, he kills himself after the war.

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#5 The promises about the endings weren't fulfilled. There was this hype that surrounded the game. The hype that was generated by people from that business that the actions you did throughout the game would effect the endings,and that there would be many,different endings. Some of the dev team even went to say "it's not going to be the usual A,B or C endings you get from other games",and guess what ? At the final moment there are 3 choices,with each one corresponding to a different ending. The endings themselves,in their initial state left many things unanswered and didn't provided enough closure.

It was one Twitter post. One post. It was ambitious and impossible and anyone should have recognized it as such at the time.

The EC and Leviathan fixed the vagueness. Citadel DLC made them totally heart wrenching. In it's final form it's one hell of an ending IMO.

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Was 3 the weakest of the series ? Yes. Was it a bad game ? Nope.
It's just that the game was hyped like **** and expectations of everyone was higher than what they got,and also that EA made a series of bad decisions that affected the game negatively.

I'm not gonna deny any of this, I have no problem with people being disappointed about it's original form, but calling the game shit is retarded. Glad you don't stoop that low.

[Jeff]

Protected by Viper, on 10 March 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

It's not badly thought out. What is the Reapers most dangerous tactic? Mind control and manipulation.

In the ending notes, there was a reference to a book called "Brave New World" which has to do with mind control, manipulation, and other stuff. Mac Walters has a degree in psychology, so I wouldn't be surprised. Smart cookie. I was going to draw up a diagram of the Catalyst special powers, but maybe I'll just list them:

Mind Control: As seen with EC, Shepard tries to think for himself, then Harbinger pulls him back and has him essentially believing whatever he's told. Higher mental functioning decays ultimately leaving Shepard a jibbering animal.
Psychological manipulation: Harbinger threatens to destroy the mass relays, all synthetic life, and strand everyone in the Sol systen if you don't pick the other two options (control, synthesis).
Infrasonic noise: There is actual infrasonic noise put in the game in different places including the ending bit. I've mentioned this earlier.
Corrupt limbic system: Harbinger makes you believe that you are actually on the Citadel, when you've been on Earth the whole time (last 20 minutes of the game). Your sensory input (sight, smell, hearing, etc) has been affected. You think you're standing there talking to a ghost at the end, but you're really just talking to Harbinger. In other words

Those aren't any official names, I just made them up.

[Carl Winslow]

Jeff, on 10 March 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

If that's how people feel, you should have cut ties with them back in 2007 and not stuck around. Be a better consumer here. Vote with your wallet, and go to a company who will treat you right. Bioware may be a good company for us, but there's probably someone else out there who will suit your needs better.

See, there's some people who essentially despise them and what they "supposedly" did to this franchise, yet ask, "oh, when's the next game coming out"? Not you, but some people I've come across.

Zapp: I hate these filthy neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand, but with neutrals, who knows.

I've literally never bought any of their games. I felt no interest in any of it and downward spiral has only made it more apparent to me that their work is not worth the money given to them. As if the WONDERFULLY CRAFTED Sonic RPG wasn't bad enough.

[Person of Color]

"This is shit but I've never experienced it."

Every closed minded otaku, ever. Too many people who watch anime are a pain in the ass.

Man, you must be a blast to hang out with in real life. I'm staying 3500 miles away from home, I just rented a convertible an hour and a half away, I have only a vague idea how I'm going to go to pick it up next week, and I have a couple hundred bucks left if shit goes sideways. Where the fuck is your sense of adventure?

[Jimmy]

"You mean there is life outside masturbating to robots and clenching my pillow tight as I cry?"

[Jeff]

I'm smart enough not to comment on something unless I actually experienced it. Same like those people who think they know everything about the game, then they get surprised to find out that the "organics who create synthetics to destroy organics" isn't what's going on. Nor is the ending just ABC with 3 identical cutscenes with a color swap. If these guys were the tip of our spear saving the galaxy, trying to figure out how to save ourselves, we'd all be screwed.

[Carl Winslow]

Protected by Viper, on 11 March 2014 - 06:59 PM, said:

"This is shit but I've never experienced it."

Every closed minded otaku, ever. Too many people who watch anime are a pain in the ass.

Man, you must be a blast to hang out with in real life. I'm staying 3500 miles away from home, I just rented a convertible an hour and a half away, I have only a vague idea how I'm going to go to pick it up next week, and I have a couple hundred bucks left if shit goes sideways. Where the fuck is your sense of adventure?

I've experienced enough of Bioware's other... 'games' to know what to expect. Quite frankly, there's nothing there except the promise of sleeping with aliens. There's a thing for that, it's called Secondlife. Maybe you should go play that instead, hm?

Are you not pointing out irrelevancies here? Also, that really just shows your ineptitude if you can't even plan something as simple as that. Was this supposed to be endearing?
I like how you use that word as though you even know what it means. Judging a book by it's cover is a sure-fire way to solidify whatever argument you have. You can just continue to hold the belief that x stereotype is right 200% of the time.

Being able to understand objectivism is quite a simple thing, by the way. It's all a matter of realizing that if a chef makes a bad meal that tastes terrible, you don't blame the person who tasted it.
But you wouldn't really be one to understand such a thing, would you? Such a large number, so far away! I bet that's impressive to... um. And a convertible, you say? You most definitely aren't living vicariously through things that make you feel better about your wasted existence, not at all. You're too busy pretending you live a full life because you have the ability to travel, regardless if that puts your own livelihood in danger.
It's alright, though. That's very typical of the average white male in this country. You certainly won't amount to much with that attitude, but it's quite alright! I can get out and see and experience things fine without worrying, but you can continue to live on the idea that bigger is better and eventually run yourself dry.

[Jimmy]

"Traveling is dangerous!"

How's your vagina?

[Carl Winslow]

Do you understand the English language, or do you need me to hold your hand for you?

[Person of Color]

Colon Semicolon, on 12 March 2014 - 06:25 PM, said:

I've experienced enough of Bioware's other... 'games' to know what to expect.

Yeah I'm sure you have, and you aren't totally saying that so just so you don't look like an asshole.

Keep calling my existence hollow, I'm too busy living life and enjoying friends to give a shit about what some otaku loser on The Internet thinks. Trolling attempt denied, get a life faggot.

[Carl Winslow]

Knights of the Old Republic was a game that bored me to tears, though I can say KotOR 2 was atleast interesting, despite the fact it was very obviously unfinished. As for other 'experiences', I don't think you really need to play the Sonic RPG they made to realize just how awful it is.

mmm, just listen to that beautiful masterpiece, really sings to your heart, doesn't it?

I can only wonder what sort of 'friends' you must have with such a pompous attitude. They must be enthralled at your amazing control of vocabulary, such as your verbal tick to swear profusely as though it has impact. Also, the fact you have to explicitly state 'trolling attempt denied' shows quite a need to be defensive. whatever for?

[Jimmy]

Colon Semicolon, on 12 March 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

Do you understand the English language, or do you need me to hold your hand for you?

I'd rather not have cum slathered on my hands, thanks faggot.

[Lunick]

Colon Semicolon, on 12 March 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

>video<
mmm, just listen to that beautiful masterpiece, really sings to your heart, doesn't it?

[Hendricks266]

Cleanse your ears.

[Jeff]

Colon Semicolon, on 12 March 2014 - 06:25 PM, said:

I've experienced enough of Bioware's other... 'games' to know what to expect. Quite frankly, there's nothing there except the promise of sleeping with aliens. There's a thing for that, it's called Secondlife. Maybe you should go play that instead, hm?

Are you not pointing out irrelevancies here? Also, that really just shows your ineptitude if you can't even plan something as simple as that. Was this supposed to be endearing?
I like how you use that word as though you even know what it means. Judging a book by it's cover is a sure-fire way to solidify whatever argument you have. You can just continue to hold the belief that x stereotype is right 200% of the time.

Being able to understand objectivism is quite a simple thing, by the way. It's all a matter of realizing that if a chef makes a bad meal that tastes terrible, you don't blame the person who tasted it.
But you wouldn't really be one to understand such a thing, would you? Such a large number, so far away! I bet that's impressive to... um. And a convertible, you say? You most definitely aren't living vicariously through things that make you feel better about your wasted existence, not at all. You're too busy pretending you live a full life because you have the ability to travel, regardless if that puts your own livelihood in danger.
It's alright, though. That's very typical of the average white male in this country. You certainly won't amount to much with that attitude, but it's quite alright! I can get out and see and experience things fine without worrying, but you can continue to live on the idea that bigger is better and eventually run yourself dry.

Indoctrinated presence detected

[Person of Color]

Colon Semicolon, on 12 March 2014 - 08:16 PM, said:

I can only wonder what sort of 'friends' you must have with such a pompous attitude. They must be enthralled at your amazing control of vocabulary, such as your verbal tick to swear profusely as though it has impact. Also, the fact you have to explicitly state 'trolling attempt denied' shows quite a need to be defensive. whatever for?

Great to know that I'm getting under your skin. Not that you ever wash it. Pulling it back and rinsing it? Pfft. What's the point, degenerate MPEG's never complain. Why have a clean penis when God gives you all that free cheese?

[Carl Winslow]

I see that you've degenerated to name-calling and have given up on basic reading comprehension or following the subject. Perhaps you're getting too drunk for your own good. Lay off the booze, won't you?

[Malgon]

Kind of off topic, but I thought this was very cool:

Assemble Your Custom Lego Mini-Figure Mass Effect Squad



Here's a link to their store if you're interested.

[Person of Color]

Holy shit those are fucking terrible.

Garrus looks like a kitty kat
Jack looks like a dyke
Jacob looks like fucking Ricardo Montalban
Aria looks like a tranny
Wrex looks like a Picasso reject

All for the low low price of $135!

One can only imagine the autism required for those Legos.

[Jeff]

Bioware talks remastering Mass Effect trilogy for next-gen consoles

Not a for sure thing, but it's been discussed as a possibility. They wouldn't have to redo everything. Probably just the textures, and perhaps re-render the cutscene movies in HD as opposed to the low quality BIK movies in the games.

[Daedolon]

If they apply just the combat and character models from ME3 to the rest, I guess I might consider re-buying all of them.