[Hank]

^ Not sure - but we are way off topic.
I find it ironic, MS got rid of the standing joke of needing to click on Start to Shut-Down, but it is so common in use nowadays, people dislike 8 because it's gone.

Hope this helps.

[Person of Color]

That's not the issue, the issue is that it goes into some weird kind of incestual hibernation mode that boots up in like 10 seconds.

I don't want that. I have an SSD. I'd rather wait 40 seconds for a totally clean environment.

[Kathy]

 Hank, on 07 July 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

^ Not sure - but we are way off topic.I find it ironic, MS got rid of the standing joke of needing to click on Start to Shut-Down, but it is so common in use nowadays, people dislike 8 because it's gone.Hope this helps.

I'm pretty sure most wanted Start button back not just because of some shutdown issue. Don't know why did you bring up Win95 when it was a 7vs8 issue.

 486DX2, on 07 July 2013 - 11:51 AM, said:

That's not the issue, the issue is that it goes into some weird kind of incestual hibernation mode that boots up in like 10 seconds.

It's probably hybrid sleep mode with hibernation in case power get shutdown.

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I don't want that. I have an SSD. I'd rather wait 40 seconds for a totally clean environment.

Sleep mode is pretty awesome, though.

[DustFalcon85]

 486DX2, on 07 July 2013 - 09:30 AM, said:

Windows 8 is shit. I shouldn't have to do that much modification to Windows 8 out of the box, including editing the fucking registry to get a proper, clean, shutdown. Also, Metro is fucking terrible. I don't care if there's a start menu replacement, Metro is an abortion and it totally shows how clueless Microsoft is these days. It's not an issue of being "lazy," it's a piece of shit, end of story. It's like Ford saying "Dude, I've got an idea. Let's put the blinker switch INSIDE the center console. Oh, and let's put the stereo on the passenger side." That's what Microsoft did. Who cares if that new Mustang is fast if you get cramps trying to drive it?

I could install Windows 7, OS X, and like a billion different flavors of Linux and I wouldn't have to tweak jack shit out of the gate, because the UI isn't terrible and they don't run in perpetual retard mode.

Will this apply to Windows 8.1?

[Person of Color]

If 8.1 stops sucking horse dicks, then yeah.

[Tea Monster]

Whatever you do, don't put it on a laptop.
Under the hood, it's great. If you could tell the new tablet interface to f*ck off and stay that way, then it would be great.

[TerminX]

My laptop came with Windows 8... after installing a few choice third-party apps, I like it better than Windows 7 (and I was one of those huge Win7 fanboys who started using it mid-development via leaked betas and whatnot). I pretty much never see any of the "metro" stuff so it doesn't bother me too much that it's still technically there. I haven't tried the 8.1 preview yet because the particular apps I use aren't updated for it yet.

[Person of Color]

I run legitimate copies of Windows on my desktop and laptop. I can think of far better ways to spend $250. I could get fresh control arm bushings on my car. I could get a monitor that isn't a Black Friday piece of shit (23" eMachines). I could get my Genesis recapped, replace my Saturn's power supply, AND replace my stereo receiver, which is starting to get a bit of transformer whine.

So yeah, Windows 8, hell no.

[Tea Monster]

There is a bug with certain trackpads where if you drag to the left, the metro interface pops up. This happens on both my Wife and my Son's laptop. It doesn't seem as if the right-hand click menu works either, which is a royal pain in the arse for power users.

I've never been one of those techs who instinctively hated every new OS. I even gave ME a fair shot (OK, it was only 15 minutes, but it had it's chance). Every time I've had to try to use this thing, I've been floundering around trying to find even the basic stuff. If you've been using Windows since 3.11, you shouldn't have to resort to experimentation to find out how to close an app.

[MusicallyInspired]

That sounds....pathetic. I swear, as soon as Sonar is fully supported in Linux I'll switch there and never look back.

[Rellik]

 Tea Monster, on 11 July 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

There is a bug with certain trackpads where if you drag to the left, the metro interface pops up. This happens on both my Wife and my Son's laptop. It doesn't seem as if the right-hand click menu works either, which is a royal pain in the arse for power users.

That's not a bug, it's a feature! (Ok it bugs me sometimes too)
The default configuration for the Synaptics driver is swipe the left edge to switch between apps (and desktop), swipe the right edge to bring up the charms bar, and swipe the top edge to bring up an app's context bar.

It should be possible to disable any of these, it's just a matter of digging through the mouse settings.

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If you've been using Windows since 3.11, you shouldn't have to resort to experimentation to find out how to close an app.

Last I checked, alt-F4 still works even for this "modern" stuff