[Gambini]

Sure:

Spoiler

The first secret is in the vents after exiting the broken elevator, after turning the first corner and just before turning in the next one, you´ll see a brighter galvanic pannel with some blood stains. You can break it.

The second one is in the storage room. One of the shelves that are against a wall can be opened.

The third secret is in the last section of the casino -just after exiting the cashier office- One of those purple cascades (at your left, when facing the exit) is a bit darker, and you can walk through it.

The fourth secret is at the back of the 1998 garbage truck, but it has its trick.

Finally the fifth one is the vent on the Slick Willy´s roof. That one was initially intented to be a sideway to enter the bar but then i changed my mind because i wanted people to visit Stratosfear.

[Jimmy]

That Energy Leech doesn't have enough frames.

[TerminX]

Sure it does. The energy leech was only ever intended to come out of a hole in the wall (like in the actual DNF game, IIRC) so it doesn't really need rear frames.

[Micky C]

Soo.. anyone new working on a user map for this?

[NNC]

I noticed some of the items are not voxelated:

Freezer
Freezerammo
Expander (unused)
Expanderammo (unused)
Jetpack (unused)
Scuba Gear
Protective Boots
Space Suit (if that counts)
Atomic Health (although it doesn't need it)

[Cage]

I've had great fun with this one! I've beat it in two sittings (second one was pretty short - I've had to take a break after the donkey ride in the dam).

Seems to me, that you've guys tried to take the best of both modern and classic styles of first person shooters, and you've did really well in my opinion! Plus it's for 8-bits and, as a "software rendering sucker", I LOVE IT.

Good job! Shame that Duke community doesn't get as many releases as Doom, but the quality is very high!

[Gambini]

Thanks Cage. I remember in the days of WGR2, being amazed of how someone could be devoted to 8 bits art with your guns and such. I think you´re a sort of reference for me in that matters: Making something look good is a challenge already but it´s much more challenging and satisfactory to make it look good in 8bits.

[Player Lin]

Cage, on 05 May 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

Good job! Shame that Duke community doesn't get as many releases as Doom, but the quality is very high!

Quality over quantity.

/offropic

Spoiler

Sure, DooM community has many releases (just see those /idgames things, Doomworld /TnC and ZDooM projects), but Duke's releases are better than half of them.

But it still debatable for some reasons.

Guess I needed completed this shitty awesomeness mod with classic renderer again, and may I ask about...any possible date about updates for bugfixes?

[zykov eddy]

Personally, I find 90% of Doom wads simply boring and repetitive. Sure there are some good releases like Phocas Island, TurboCharged ARCADE or Sonic Doom, but most of the wads look and play the same, even the recent ones. It's all about killing enemies, no puzzles, no good architecture and no fresh gameplay ideas.

[NNC]

Found all but one secrets in the game. The only one left is in map 5 (found the two SP references underwater). Some help would be welcome.

[Gambini]

zykov eddy, on 05 May 2013 - 04:51 AM, said:

Personally, I find 90% of Doom wads simply boring and repetitive. Sure there are some good releases like Phocas Island, TurboCharged ARCADE or Sonic Doom, but most of the wads look and play the same, even the recent ones. It's all about killing enemies, no puzzles, no good architecture and no fresh gameplay ideas.

Well I absolutely loved Brutal Doom and in a minor degree zBlood.

@Nancsy

Spoiler

When you enter the room wherethat giant organic structure is (the one with an orb you have to shot), look at the other side of the that vent that goes all the way to the roof.

[Cage]

Plus keep in mind, that a lot of the Doom releases are mods/mutators.

Gambini: It's great that you just "dug in" and actually painted in some stuff pretty well (at least it looks like it) - I've seen way too many crude copy/paste hackjobs, and ugly Paint-level edits, so this is a welcome sight. Some of the art is a bit rough around the edges, but the general presentation is good and consistent. I didn't stumble upon any palletization artifacts too, which is another sign of effort in the art dept. Not the even the most common brown skin range/brownish-orange explosion range palette mishap Or maybe I was distracted with the gameplay and missed it! Either way, thumbs up.

[Gambini]

Thanks.

No, you wasn´t distracted, i took extra care with that (and with how tiles look when become pal1 and 2 which is many people, even 3dr seem to overlook).

[XThX2]

Really good release I've enjoyed this more than DNF even though it lasts far shorter, which is quite disappointing. I loved everything, I'd love it if you actually remade the reloading of the guns too you know, since AFAIK you tried to merge new and old school elements. The new monsters and everything are nice, there are some weird background noises coming from the new pigs, I can't tell what, maybe low quality recording? Anyway, I found the see sound for the new slimers quite annoying but that's just me.

The other disappointing part in this mod I found is the final battle. Didn't feel as epic as it could have been. The boss looks very nice though, it's just that the final battle didn't seem as amazing as it could have been.

I love the ending, great job there

[Mike Norvak]

XThX2, on 05 May 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

there are some weird background noises coming from the new pigs, I can't tell what, maybe low quality recording?

I also noticed that, and forgot to mention it to Gambini. I'm pretty sure it is related to a low pitched value via CON since the original samples sounds very different.

[Gambini]

Well I´m not sure if all the sound complaints come because I lowered all sound qualities to 8bits 11mhz, just like in Duke3d.

In fact if it werent by Mikko, I would have used midi instead of ogg.

[XThX2]

No the oggs are a perfect touch, don't ever go for midis. That's a good new school side of this mod. One bug I noticed is that you can't switch weapons while riding the donkey.

[Radar]

I usually prefer MIDI.

[TerminX]

MIDI is really not very preferable these days, since it sounds different depending on what you play it back on.

[Danukem]

Gambini, on 05 May 2013 - 07:58 AM, said:

I lowered all sound qualities to 8bits 11mhz, just like in Duke3d.

[Gambini]

It´s part of the patina of the good old game. Duke, or better said John ST Jon, has an unmistakable pitch in his voice when played at that sample rate. Just compare the voices of DNF vs the voices of Duke3d and you´ll notice the former sounds much more like Duke Nukem -or the Duke Nukem we know-.

I prefer this a million times over having a botch of sounds from different sources and different qualities. The soundscape just as the visual aspect has to be consistent. I know the sound department in this project is not outstanting but that is not because this decision.

[Danukem]

Gambini, on 05 May 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

It´s part of the patina of the good old game. Duke, or better said John ST Jon, has an unmistakable pitch in his voice when played at that sample rate. Just compare the voices of DNF vs the voices of Duke3d and you´ll notice the former sounds much more like Duke Nukem -or the Duke Nukem we know-.

I prefer this a million times over having a botch of sounds from different sources and different qualities. The soundscape just as the visual aspect has to be consistent. I know the sound department in this project is not outstanting but that is not because this decision.

I understand, and for Duke's voice samples and some other things, what you did may be justifiable. But rigid adherence to a principle does not always work well in practice. For example, the samples from the trailer could have sounded as good as they did in the trailer, but instead they sound like shit. In cases like that it's better to be flexible and bend the rules.

[Gambini]

The problem with the sounds of the trailer is that they had lot of background noise and music. If you cut them and use as it, they will play music and explosions everytime you listen to them.

What I did for the voices was the best that could be done (considering Mike Norvak also tried and had a similar result) I took samples of the background noise and found the exact piece of the music being played from from the clean tune, and used them as a noise profile for filtering noise. This worked great for the "save the world by yourself", and Gus´ line (not featured in the mod) and acceptable for both the characters in the casino. But the Gral´s voice was not in condition to be recovered in a decent quality. And BTW they may sound good in the video but they´re played there at 22mhz as best, so there´s no point on saving them with a higher quality.

I´m not sure if the other sounds have a particular problem. I didn´t find them bad at all.

[Mblackwell]

Really you should be using an EQ and a filter. That type of noise reduction is meant for the removal of hiss, drones, and odd interference, not something varied like that. That's why you get that weirdly mechanical sludgy sound.

[Gambini]

We also did some equalization. You´re encouraged to try extracting them yourself and if the result is better, we´re going to use them and credit you. But really, they were tough.

[burymeinsmoke]

Bravo!

I thoroughly enjoyed your mod.

Morningwood was superb, great work on the music.

[NightFright]

Nancsi, on 05 May 2013 - 12:19 AM, said:

I noticed some of the items are not voxelated:

Freezer
Freezerammo
Expander (unused)
Expanderammo (unused)
Jetpack (unused)
Scuba Gear
Protective Boots
Space Suit (if that counts)
Atomic Health (although it doesn't need it)

This is because DNF 2013 is heavily relying on ReaperMan's Voxel Pack which still is far from being finished. Anyway, they did a great job with some additional, mod-specific voxels, so maybe there are some guys around who might work on some more "official" voxels, too.

TerminX, on 05 May 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

MIDI is really not very preferable these days, since it sounds different depending on what you play it back on.

I have the luxury of owning a Roland SC-55 which works natively in Win7, so for me, MIDI usually sounds pretty awesome. However, this is ofc a nerd solution which hardly everyone would have the nerves to install. The OGGs included with the DNF mod bloat the whole thing quite a bit regarding filesize, but well, these days I think no one considers 50 MB or so to be worth noticing. The music is fine the way it is and fits, anyway.

[Fox]

To fix the Protozoid Slimer gibs color:

onevent EVENT_GAME
  ifspritepal 6
  {
    getactor[THISACTOR].picnum TEMP
    subvar TEMP SCRAP3
    ifvarg TEMP -1
    ifvarl TEMP 4
      spritepal 28
  }
endevent

[Jinroh]

Been playing it on and off since the release and it's killer. Great job guys, loved the beginning of the 2nd level, among other things.

[Micky C]

Not sure if anyone noticed, but MRCK did a guest review for this over at MSDN: http://msdn.duke4.net/revdnfmod.php

Oh, and Merlijn v. Oostrum did another review over at CGS: http://www.scent-88....s/D/dnf/dnf.php

Just in case anyone is interested in reading them.