[Gambini]

Love that quick note. Too bad he committed a mistake in the install instructions, saying players need to copy dnf.grp and not duke3d.grp into the mod´s folder.

[Mark]

 Radar, on 16 July 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

LOL. Glad I'm not the only one. Irks me every time.

I'm willing to tolerate some misuse of the language as long as they don't start using the slang and abbreviations from the texting world.

[Radar]

 MetHy, on 16 July 2013 - 02:12 PM, said:

Considering the ammount of people using "of" in this situation, there is nothing wrong with it anymore.
That's how languages work: new words and new definitions for existing words get created all the time because a certain number of people start using them. It might not be in the dictionnary yet, but I bet it will be relatively soon.

You can't prevent it, it's in the mere definition of modern languages that they evolve and that's one of the way they evolve.

No. YOLO will be added to the dictionary before "should of" is considered proper grammar. Why? Because there is already a gramatically correct way of saying it the same way: should've. Languages are changed when people need to write things in ways which did not previously exist, not when some moron forgets how to spell.

[Micky C]

 Radar, on 16 July 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

No. YOLO will be added to the dictionary before "should of" is considered proper grammar. Why? Because there is already a gramatically correct way of saying it the same way: should've. Languages are changed when people need to write things in ways which did not previously exist, not when some moron forgets how to spell.

I hope so. Contractions were created to make speech and writing more succinct. It's always good if you're able to convey the same amount of information in less time. However should of takes the exact same time to say and the same number of keyboard presses as should've and therefore offers no advantages what so ever. It's only ignorance that leads to people using the former, which is a shame because it's seen a reasonable amount over the internet.

[Micky C]

Somebody's got to get this thread back on topic

My first level for this is almost finished (split it into 2 levels because of the wall limit). Don't expect anything huge though. When I played through it and found all the secrets, it took me 11 minutes. You could probably shave a few minutes off if you simply followed the path.

[Radar]

 Micky C, on 16 July 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:

Somebody's got to get this thread back on topic

Nah, let's keep talking about grammar. You missed a period bro.

[Tea Monster]

 Radar, on 17 July 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

... You missed a period bro.

Congratulations!

[MetHy]

 Mark., on 16 July 2013 - 03:01 PM, said:

I'm willing to tolerate some misuse of the language as long as they don't start using the slang and abbreviations from the texting world.

A LOT of slang words and texting abbrevations are already in dictionnaries in many languages.

 Radar, on 16 July 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

Languages are changed when people need to write things in ways which did not previously exist, not when some moron forgets how to spell.

Completely untrue. Languages change all the time in many different ways, and "should of" is a good example of how synonyms can be created. New words related to things that were only created recently is only a small part of language evolution.

[Radar]

You mean language devolution. So people who write like "lol omgz wut up teh fawk wit dis swag yolo hahahaha" are truly making synonyms and evolving the language? Keep going; this is hilarious.

[MusicallyInspired]

We're not going to sacrifice the rules of the English language because people can't be bothered to learn to talk or write properly. 'Should of' makes no grammatical sense. It's not what the word 'of' means. It's completely out of context. It's sloppy, incoherent, and totally ignorant. Show me an example of how the language changed because somebody used the wrong word in a sentence. Not misspellings, using the wrong word.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

 Radar, on 17 July 2013 - 07:35 AM, said:

You missed a period bro.

Better visit the OB-GYN.

Edit: Tea Monster basically beat me to the joke. Oh well.

[Mark]

There is one example that bothers me. Instead of saying "needs repairing" or "needs to be repaired" a whole lot of people write "needs repaired". Its so widespread I can only assume its being taught that way somewhere.

[LeoD]

My 2c as a non-native reader: "would of" is disgusting. Btw., we already have a suitable thread available.

[OpenMaw]

 MetHy, on 17 July 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

A LOT of slang words and texting abbrevations are already in dictionnaries in many languages.

Completely untrue. Languages change all the time in many different ways, and "should of" is a good example of how synonyms can be created. New words related to things that were only created recently is only a small part of language evolution.

This smells like internet mentality. Just because we're on the internet does not mean you should type like a retarded monkey with aspergers. I really hate that. "1tz t3h innernet, br0. Don't m@2r." Yeah, it does. It brings the whole species down just a small micron every time some moron posts incoherent babble on Twitter, Tumblr, Youtube, Facebook, or on Duke4net(I don't give a shit about other forums, they're dead to me.) Mistakes happen, and that's fine, but mistakes are not "the evolution of the language" or any other such nonsense. "You done f*cked it up!" Now do it right, or someone should smack you in the face with an exaggerated fish.


With all the energy expended in this thread trying to defend a FU** up as anything but a **CK up, you could have saved all that time by simple learning and knowing "should've." About ten posts worth of energy by my calculations. That's a lot of energy on the nerd scale of wasting time.

 Micky C, on 16 July 2013 - 10:50 PM, said:

Somebody's got to get this thread back on topic

My first level for this is almost finished (split it into 2 levels because of the wall limit). Don't expect anything huge though. When I played through it and found all the secrets, it took me 11 minutes. You could probably shave a few minutes off if you simply followed the path.

It was a noble effort, Micky C, and I look forward to seeing your maps! Don't try to be a hero now and save this thread single handedly... You're not Duke Nukem, after all.

[Radar]

LOL Micky C. You chose a bad time to bring up your maps. Regardless, I can't wait for them! Will they be some neat standalone releases, or is the plan to incorporate them in DNF version 2 along with the fixed bike code?

That's what they should of done.

[DavoX]

This is a good case of a whole page that needs to be deleted.

[ReaperMan]

 Radar, on 17 July 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

LOL Micky C.

So you just explain to everyone that LOL is "language devolution" and you use it? Kind of ironic.

 Radar, on 17 July 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

That's what they should of done.

Have.

[Radar]

That was the joke.

[Gambini]

Thanks for shtting on the thread guys!

A moderator should of deleted all OT messages and banned everybody involved already.

[MetHy]

 Commando Nukem, on 17 July 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

This smells like internet mentality.

No, it's just coming from someone who actually has a degree in studying languages and who's learnt this kind of stuff from lecturers and researchers.

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Just because we're on the internet does not mean you should type like a retarded monkey with aspergers.

I never said that. Also having aspergers has nothing to do with typing "like a retarded monkey"

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mistakes are not "the evolution of the language"

Yes they are, for example that's how some "false friends" (words which are the same or almost the same in several languages but which don't have the same meanings) are created.

[OpenMaw]

 MetHy, on 17 July 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

No, it's just coming from someone who actually has a degree in studying languages and who's learnt this kind of stuff from lecturers and researchers.

I'm real fucking impressed. (Oops, better add a smiley, or you might take me for being angry.)

 MetHy, on 17 July 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

I never said that. Also having aspergers has nothing to do with typing "like a retarded monkey"

That didn't last very long. For someone who claims to have an official education in languages, you don't seem to understand the concept of an exaggeration. Maybe if I had added "fucking" "blue" and a few other words into it, you would have understand.

 MetHy, on 17 July 2013 - 03:08 PM, said:

Yes they are, for example that's how some "false friends" (words which are the same or almost the same in several languages but which don't have the same meanings) are created.

Horse shit.


You are wrong. You are wrong for every single reason that has been stated, and more.

[Kathy]

A plan for the improvement of spelling in the English language
By Mark Twain

For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2 might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with "i" and iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all.

Generally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear with iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and iears 6-12 or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeiniing voist and unvoist konsonants. Bai iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x"— bai now jast a memori in the maindz ov ould doderez —tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivili.

Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.

[Gambini]

[Radar]

Because the whole DNF-mod-not-existing fiasco you caused wasn't 100 times more destructive than this. Take the plank out of your eye.

[uh . . . .]

You guys should of stopped a long time ago. You guys took it way to far.

[MusicallyInspired]

If that's what you think, you've got another thing coming.






If you didn't see what I did there you should of looked it up...

[Kathy]

 Radar, on 17 July 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

Because the whole DNF-mod-not-existing fiasco you caused wasn't 100 times more destructive than this. Take the plank out of your eye.

What kind of fiasco?

[Radar]

What kind of question is that? That prank a few months back was the biggest trolling stunt I've ever seen on this forum, and it resulted in a lot of flaming until things were cleared. Gambini has no right to call for deleted pages and banned members after that one.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

The trouble I have with Cheetos is that the cheese dust sometimes ends up on my clothes rather than my fingers.

[Kathy]

 Radar, on 18 July 2013 - 06:27 AM, said:

What kind of question is that? That prank a few months back was the biggest trolling stunt I've ever seen on this forum, and it resulted in a lot of flaming until things were cleared. Gambini has no right to call for deleted pages and banned members after that one.

What are you talking about? I only remember the prank about mod recieving C&D from GBX. Which was idiotic on his part, but at least dealt with fairly quick(but still not quick enough).