[nukemania]

@Martin, for the time being, you can supply it if you can. 2 sources are better than one, right

@Hendricks266, I definitely remember the filename in the link being along the lines of plug_n_pray.

The site is justroms.com; it looks like the domain is still up, but go to the current site at your own risk because it looks sketch (not the same as the real, original justroms; looks like malware).

[Hendricks266]

Justroms.com is currently a squatted/parked domain. http://wayback.archi...://justroms.com

Edit: http://web.archive.o....romforums.org/

nukemania, on 25 January 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

2 sources are better than one, right

TOSEC requires multiple dumps from different discs and drives to be deemed perfect "[!]", which is the case for the dump I have. So technically, it already is two sources.

[nukemania]

Ok, then 3 sources

Or better yet, the more the better

[Hendricks266]

Hendricks266, on 25 January 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

Tomorrow I plan to upload a new version of the Saturn pack in which I redid the entire conversion process from the TOSEC wavs.

I have just uploaded v3.0 of the Saturn music pack.

[Hendricks266]

nukemania, on 25 January 2012 - 09:41 PM, said:

Ok, then 3 sources

Or better yet, the more the better

There is literally no need. The TOSEC rips are Perfect with a capital P. More sources will only add confusion, and then subtract bandwidth and disk space.

[nukemania]

Well I mean, in the situation where one is not available for whatever reason, if more people have ripped the soundtrack and it is available elsewhere, it really saves the trouble. And the confusion can easily be remedied by just checking to see if the version of the soundtrack is what they're looking for

[Hendricks266]

You still misunderstand. We are not planning for ridiculous contingencies by spreading around similar yet inferior versions of things. (At least, tell that to MasterFaster.) There is no need to check for a "version" of a soundtrack because there is only one, a perfect dump of the Saturn disc.

[nukemania]

Hendricks266, on 05 February 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

You still misunderstand. We are not planning for ridiculous contingencies by spreading around similar yet inferior versions of things. (At least, tell that to MasterFaster.) There is no need to check for a "version" of a soundtrack because there is only one, a perfect dump of the Saturn disc.

And you misunderstand me. I'm saying it's better if there is more than one rip of a soundtrack available on the internet. That way, if someone who is looking for certain music, and he doesn't visit boards/sites regularly, a simple google search will turn up at least something.

I'm not asking anybody to contribute or get as many links as possible or multiple versions to just one person/repository. I'm saying it's better if something that someone is looking for is available in many places. Whether they're inferior or not, leave that to the person, and not whether the file name has an exclamation mark or an anagram in all CAPS.

[Hendricks266]

nukemania, on 05 February 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

And you misunderstand me. I'm saying it's better if there is more than one rip of a soundtrack available on the internet. That way, if someone who is looking for certain music, and he doesn't visit boards/sites regularly, a simple google search will turn up at least something.

Click this link and see where it leads you. https://encrypted.go...3d+saturn+music

As of 2012-02-05, my thread on 3D Realms dating back to about three years ago in 2009 is the first result. It links to my current site. The third result, the page for the game on DNWiki, has an external link to my pack at the bottom. And finally, the direct link to my site is number seven. In between are related articles and some YouTube videos, none of which are a problem.

Related searches will take you to the HRP site, which lists my packs, or the wiki page I listed earlier, or various threads here on Duke4.net, all of which funnel back into my site. I'm pretty well covered if I say so myself.

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Whether they're inferior or not, leave that to the person, and not whether the file name has an exclamation mark or an anagram in all CAPS.

Bullshit mocking aside, the superiority of my source is based in fact, not opinion. It was not ripped from a scratched disc using Windows Media Player or iTunes and then cobbled into a pack. It was not converted from random MP3s acquired from who knows where. It was produced, independently by at least two people following strict guidelines who both got an identical result. The quality of the result speaks for itself.

[nukemania]

I don't care whether it was ripped in a studio with the most expensive equipment. To the person who's looking for some music and it's in multiple sites, if it's good to him, he'll keep it. The quality of the results do speak for itself, yes. And sure, you can continue with the superiority of your source being based on fact. It's clear that, at the moment, only your music pack is seen through a google search. But that's not representative of all soundtracks. Many game/movie soundtracks are available in more than one place and in equal high quality. Sometimes, one site goes down, but the person doesn't have much to worry because there are still others. That's what I'm talking about. So maybe you're the only music source for the Saturn Duke Nukem 3D rips at present. But how do you know you will be the only one? How do you know someone else isn't going to rip the music themselves with an equally high quality and provide it on their own site? What if, at some point, you had to take your site down or it got hacked and the music content lost; what then? Someone can create their own rip of the game at just as good quality as you can and put them up on his site. Is that redundant? Maybe to some, but to others, it's very helpful. Sure hundreds of sites link right back to your page. But what would happen if something went wrong? What are all those sites going to link to your page for?

There are youtube videos up that play the Saturn Duke Nukem music. I don't know if any of those are you, but there are plenty of people who use solely youtube downloaders and get the audio they want straight from there. I like both the versions you have and the one on youtube (only the latter doesn't sound muffled). Whether the quality is high or not in that respect is up to the person's liking, not whether your rips are pitch-perfect.

[Hendricks266]

It is incredibly unlikely that both Duke4.net will be compromised and I will be killed, incapacitated, or otherwise unable to restore my data to some location simultaneously. Everyone who downloads my pack holds a backup in their hands. Even then, the site can always be restored eventually. You are arguing a hypothetical and not anywhere near a pressing one at that.

There is a far cry between downloading a Perfect Precompiled Pack than:

1) using a YouTube Downloader to download 14 separate audio tracks
2) converting all of said audio to OGG Vorbis
3) writing the required .def file(s) to match songs with level titles

Regardless, bringing YouTube into the picture misses the point of the entire discussion. Martin, your offer is appreciated, but it will not be necessary. Thanks!

[nukemania]

How sure are you that someone would want all 14 tracks of the game? And whether they take the long way, using youtube and having to convert everything, or going the quick way with your pack is their problem. In the long term, they're happy with getting the music, period. And you know, not everyone wants some music to use in a game, as is the specific case for your point 3. Bringing youtube into the picture is actually not missing the point. It relates to your perception of quality and how your's is the superior pack. Somebody could come across the version posted on youtube first before your's, listen and like it and choose to use that one. Some may also like it over the quality differences that you say makes your rip "superior".

To say that even Duke4.net isn't likely to get an attack (the part about you getting injured is less likely, I'd hope) is arrogant. And yes, it can get restored eventually. But during the time it takes to restore, someone may be looking for music content you have on your site and if only your site has it, they'll be frustrated that they cannot get it and they'll just have to wait until the content is put back up. Whereas if more than one site does offer it, it won't be a problem.

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Everyone who downloads my pack holds a backup in their hands.

You have inspected and keep track of everyone, who has downloaded your music, to ensure that they hold a backup?

Martin, your offer is not necessary, but it will be appreciated. Thanks!

[ReaperMan]

nukemania, on 05 February 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

You have inspected and keep track of everyone, who has downloaded your music, to ensure that they hold a backup?

Don't you know? He is god, he knows these things.

[nukemania]

Oh, my bad. I better get the hell heck out of here

[Hendricks266]

Your argument has split into two halves. Divided they fall.

On quality: Given that we are talking about a Compact Disc, and the fact that my rip is identical to the Compact Disc, there are not many distinctions to make besides degrading the audio. If somehow you like lossy compression, be my guest, but either way this is not the main point.

On guaranteed availability: This is where your argument falls apart. Now that quality is isolated from availability, there is no distinction between hosting a mirror of my pack somewhere and Martin uploading his own rip that same somewhere. Just about anywhere he uploads his, I can upload mine. Since the distinction between them is not the point, by backing mine up in a public place, or multiple, where they can survive the loss of the main site, it fulfills your criteria about multiple availability.

[nukemania]

Trust me, the average person doesn't consider terms like "lossy compression" in cases like this. If it sounds good to them, they'll take it. And I think similarly. I'm not the only one on this; I wouldn't change my mind about a version of a track that I like because it slightly differs from the real thing by somthing that isn't distracting (if there is lossy compression, I'd bet there's small amounts anyway). If it is lossy compression that the one(s) on youtube suffers, it certainly doesn't detract from the quality in their cases.

While you do have a point regarding hosting the pack on many other public sites, what about what you mentioned about most google searches pointing to your site, only? And what is the harm in someone else uploading their pack to other sites? Why should they not host it on any other sites?

[Hendricks266]

None of the searches I ran went directly to my site. In particular, the #1 result was the 3D Realms thread which could easily be edited to change the link it contains.

[Jimmy]

Nukemania, please stop smoking crystal methamphetamine and posting.

[nukemania]

@Hendricks, you have a point there. And so what is it? What is the problem if other people upload their rips of the soundtrack?

@Wolfe: I've posted drunk, on acid and several different levels of high in the past. I've never done crystal meth. But because you're telling me what to do, or what not to do - when I don't - I'll be sure to post on meth just for you

[LeoD]

nukemania, on 06 February 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

@Hendricks, you have a point there. And so what is it? What is the problem if other people upload their rips of the soundtrack?

Why spoil the net and confuse your average users with inferior (or at best equal) stuff when the real McCoy is already out there and easy to find?
Unless someone shuts down this place, burns the servers, and kills all members, H266's packs can't get lost.
Well, H266, you could create an mp3 version for the John Doenloaders.
Now stop smoking and chew bubblegum.

[nukemania]

But I'm all out of gum.

[Micky C]

LeoD, on 06 February 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

Now stop smoking and chew bubblegum.

Nicotine gum?

[Come On And Slam]

nukemania, on 06 February 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

But I'm all out of gum.

You, sir, have won my heart.

[Jinroh]

This is a related topic, so I thought I would post it, but someone posted some emulator footage of the Duke3D Game.com version up on Youtube. I thought it would be interesting to see for those of who don't have a Game.com or haven't had the chance to play someone else's. I don't have speakers atm, so I dunno if has sound.

I still enjoy to play through it on my Game.com every now and then too. It's kinda endearing that they at least tried to put Duke on it. I also like the title screen it looks pretty cool on the .Com I never noticed those faux heat wavy things on the nuke cloud on my actual console before. ^^

I feel I should mention that any of the graphical glitches you may see aren't present on the actual hardware.

[thelegend4ever]

Hate to say it, but that looks fucking horrible.

[Come On And Slam]

If you can't turn around, how the hell do you actually get anywhere? Otherwise, it looks kinda cool. I've never even heard of a Game.com before this...

[Jinroh]

I heard the sounds on the videos, and the sounds like Duke's voice are totally off. They sound waaay better on the actual machine.

thelegend4ever, on 10 February 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

Hate to say it, but that looks fucking horrible.

Hehe it's not so bad, considering that the hardware was limited and it was just a cheap attempt by Tiger Toys to cash in and make something like the Gameboy I don't think it's TOO bad. ^^ The sprites and texture all look very well converted to black and white IMO as well. ^^

Slippy_Pig, on 10 February 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

If you can't turn around, how the hell do you actually get anywhere? Otherwise, it looks kinda cool. I've never even heard of a Game.com before this...

Think of it as like Outrun as an FPS the game is a straight hallway with multiple paths. You have the auto turning hallway segments to make you believe you're going to other adjacent rooms of a building rather than a straight hallway. ^^

Duke Nukem 3D wasn't the only FPS slated for the Game.com I should mention, hehe, Turok: The Dinosaur Hunter also was in development before it got cancelled. ^^

[Jimmy]

I think it looks really fucking cool. Converting a 256 color palette into about 12 colors successfully is a bitch, and they did a good job.

[ReaperMan]

Jinroh, on 10 February 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

Duke Nukem 3D wasn't the only FPS slated for the Game.com I should mention, hehe, Turok: The Dinosaur Hunter also was in development before it got cancelled. ^^

Do you have any more pictures of the Turok port for game.com? I'm slightly interested now.

[thelegend4ever]

Wolfe, on 10 February 2012 - 08:46 PM, said:

I think it looks really fucking cool. Converting a 256 color palette into about 12 colors successfully is a bitch, and they did a good job.

I can agree with that. For a Game.COM game, it looks as good as it can I guess, but still overall, besides the sprites, it just looks bleh. But maybe that's because I still have that bad taste of the Game.COM version of RE2 in my mouth.