[The Commander]

@Jhect
You get down voted all the time because you say dumb shit.
For example:
http://forums.duke4....dpost__p__86572

Jhect, on 21 May 2011 - 12:44 PM, said:

Ok, skeptical about what? If i am a liar, bad mapper or something else?

And if that was the case. Would it really matter? Being negative about people is just sad.

This is getting confusing lol, i keep forgetting what to type now.

Why would i be here if i weren't mapping/modding xD

1. This post contains grammar and some spelling errors.
2. Is a space after each line needed?
3. Why would you state that you don't know what to type, you sound like a 5 year old.
4. Finally you continued to rant on about something after DeeperThought said to drop the subject. (Clearly going against what a moderator said)

There are also plenty of other posts around this forum that are completely useless and unneeded.
http://forums.duke4....dpost__p__85407

[CruX]

Hank, on 22 May 2011 - 07:22 AM, said:

In my not so humble opinion, it's quicker to ignore a given member than to give him/her a red mark.

It doesn't even take a second to vote on a post, and it gets the point across a lot more effectively than responding to it.

Hank, on 22 May 2011 - 07:22 AM, said:

the subject in question further elaborated on his/her imaginary work and earned something like six red one's in the process.

No, he got one downvote as a result of that. The rest of the downvotes in that thread happened because he kept trying to argue the point (thus derailing the thread), even after a mod told him to stop (as The Commander noted).

Hank, on 22 May 2011 - 07:22 AM, said:

That is justifiable but also harsh, in my books.

Which plugs back into my original point,

EmericaSkater, on 22 May 2011 - 05:46 AM, said:

People should be harsh when it comes to shitposts in the modding forum

Hank, on 22 May 2011 - 07:22 AM, said:

Why not make a rule: Projects, to be announced, need to be supported by images or samples. Do not post what the Duker's will not be able to see, let alone play.- This would be clear cut and straight forward, and no one get's hurt, or wastes other people's time.

This I actually agree with. I wish we'd have a rule like that set in stone, but I think it's important to note that there's only one person that keeps doing this. He's been called on it multiple times, and when asked to provide a screenshot or really anything to help prove that he's actually done what he said, he goes off on some childish little tangent.

[Mr.Deviance]

I've seen forums like facepunch for ex, that allow every user to see who rated him what.
I believe that when everybody can see the name of the user that rated them a "+" or a "-" and for which post, it can make everybody a little more responsible.
Next time somebody decided to abuse somebody else and rate down all of his posts, he will know that his name will be seen next to those ratings and he will potentially get some pms from the guy that he abused.

[Hank]

Mr.Deviance, on 22 May 2011 - 01:54 PM, said:

I've seen forums like facepunch for ex, that allow every user to see who rated him what.
I believe that when everybody can see the name of the user that rated them a "+" or a "-" and for which post, it can make everybody a little more responsible.
Next time somebody decided to abuse somebody else and rate down all of his posts, he will know that his name will be seen next to those ratings and he will potentially get some pms from the guy that he abused.

Assuming I vote you down, what exactly will you do with this information? PM me? No thanks. - The admins stated that they are keeping abusers in check.

@ EmericaSkater - The person in question may just be a kid, but I got your point.

[Mr.Deviance]

Hank, on 22 May 2011 - 02:48 PM, said:

Assuming I vote you down, what exactly will you do with this information? PM me? No thanks. - The admins stated that they are keeping abusers in check.

@ EmericaSkater - The person in question may just be a kid, but I got your point.

If you started abusing my posts with negative ratings I would pm you asking you wtf is your problem after which I would talk with an admin and show him the the logs that show rating abuse.

[Hank]

Mr.Deviance, on 22 May 2011 - 02:51 PM, said:

If you started abusing my posts with negative ratings I would pm you asking you wtf is your problem after which I would talk with an admin and show him the the logs that show rating abuse.

Yes, but how do you know the one(s) are abusing your posts? Maybe your posts suck? Let's say I see ten shitty/useless or whatever of posts of yours. I give each one a red. Then I get an PM from you that I abuse you. What do you think I will do? I'll PM you telling you to get a life. Then you PM me ... war time.
Just a thought.

[ReaperMan]

The Commander, on 22 May 2011 - 07:28 AM, said:

1. This post contains grammar and some spelling errors.

I don't think thats really such an issue, so long as it isn't so bad that its annoying to read.

Also i would like to point out that this rep system is obviously broken, blackharted should of started with -40 points before anyone started voting.

[MrBlackCat]

Mr.Deviance, on 22 May 2011 - 02:51 PM, said:

If you started abusing my posts with negative ratings I would pm you asking you wtf is your problem after which I would talk with an admin and show him the the logs that show rating abuse.

This is very unwise... Because there is no defined use of the feedback system, it is almost impossible to define abuse. It is more like an honor system. How many people would believe they deserved any negatives? Every negative would end up with moderator intervention and then the "crap" falls on the moderator if they agree or disagree with the it. They would have to take sides a lot... that would not be a good position in my opinion.

Besides, if you agree that you deserve a negative for a post, then edit it.
Why not just talk with the Admin and leave the theoretical abuser out of it? What good could "asking wtf is your problem" do? All this would do is give jerks a target to shoot at.

MrBlackCat

[Kathy]

ReaperMan, on 22 May 2011 - 07:00 PM, said:

I don't think thats really such an issue, so long as it isn't so bad that its annoying to read.

So what? If someone thinks this is an issue then he'll downvote that post. I can downvote for whatever reason I want and don't need to prove that I was right in downvoting/upvoting someone as long as it's not a grudge against one user.

Shit, we get to the point that someone need to provide thorough explanation why the hell one user get downvoted on one subforum.

[ReaperMan]

Lotan, on 22 May 2011 - 08:38 PM, said:

So what? If someone thinks this is an issue then he'll downvote that post. I can downvote for whatever reason I want and don't need to prove that I was right in downvoting/upvoting someone as long as it's not a grudge against one user.

You do realize the voting system is promoting grudges against users. You will have several people who didn't like someones one post and will continue to down vote them.

[Kathy]

ReaperMan, on 22 May 2011 - 09:04 PM, said:

You will have several people who didn't like someones one post and will continue to down vote them.

That's because post voting binds with overall reputation for those idiots to downvote the person, not his/her posts.

[trencheel303]

The fact that this thread is still going says to me that deep down quite a few people know that the rating system is just a troublemaker. Predictably, all the people who are "for" the rating system have a raft of plus points, really not surprising at all.

There are people on here who have a red reputation and I can absolutely see no reason why. Zaxtor, for instance. Sure, he might babble a bit, and ask some polls, but I really can't see anything too wrong. Yet, a quick browse through his posts show that a good majority of them have been downvoted. Absolute pish, if you ask me.

On the other hand there are people like Mikko_Sandt, who is one of the cheekiest fucks I have ever had the displeasure of meeting on an Internet forum, who has a green reputation, for whatever reason. Probably because they occasionally make one informative post and people flock to upvote it, which then gives a green reputation and suddenly makes it OK to carry on being an arrogant, insulting ego-freak the rest of the time. On any other forum where I participate - none have "reputation" - that shit doesn't fly, at all. In fact people like Mikko would have been banned long ago on many forums I've been to.

I was going to consider becoming more active on this forum and perhaps even donate some $$$, but now I don't think I'll bother. Why should I when there's a system installed that clearly promotes favouritism? The people who deserve good rep will have it anyway, regardless of a silly rating system, and those who don't deserve it will often get it anyway due to backslapping.

I'm outta here.

[Forge]

And my response to that: More times than not, Mikko has a valid point when he makes those "cheeky" responses. I'm not a Mikko fan; we only agree on any given subject about half the time, but he's usually point blank & up front with what he says. Sometimes the telling it like it is hurts people's feelings. Some don't like when their precious ego isn't placated. At least with Mikko, you know where he stands.

I give you your props for having the honesty to name names when it comes to people you don't like, but saying you're out of here because you don't get along with that someone and don't believe that person deserves a positive reputation? How weak.

I could care less about the reputation system here. It changes nothing for me or how I post. I invite Dan, Tx, or any other admin to put my rep back to zero, give it a -100, change it to what they want.

The rep system changes nothing, unless you let it bother you. Then I suggest you get therapy to fix your self-worth issues.

[ReaperMan]

trencheel303, on 23 May 2011 - 03:53 AM, said:

I was going to consider becoming more active on this forum and perhaps even donate some $$$, but now I don't think I'll bother. Why should I when there's a system installed that clearly promotes favouritism? The people who deserve good rep will have it anyway, regardless of a silly rating system, and those who don't deserve it will often get it anyway due to backslapping.

I'm outta here.

I don''t think anybody wants to jump on you sympathy train kiddo. If you choose to leave then leave, don't tell people that your going to. Also, why even bring up the fact that you were going to donate money, but your not now because they updated the forum and you don't like it? You just make yourself sound like some little kid in a world of butt hurt.

[Hank]

Forge, on 25 May 2011 - 02:51 PM, said:

Then I suggest you get therapy to fix your self-worth issues.

How? It's a forum. Please don't suggest that, a psychologist may go nuts trying to analyse this!

[Micky C]

Hank, on 22 May 2011 - 07:22 AM, said:

Please look at the What Are You Doing For Duke Right Now thread. Let's assume for a moment someone posts about imaginary work. In my not so humble opinion, it's quicker to ignore a given member than to give him/her a red mark. It takes even more effort to give out a green mark with a sardonic comment. However, it was a clever move. Almost as programmed, the subject in question further elaborated on his/her imaginary work and earned something like six red one's in the process. That is justifiable but also harsh, in my books.
Why not make a rule: Projects, to be announced, need to be supported by images or samples. Do not post what the Duker's will not be able to see, let alone play.- This would be clear cut and straight forward, and no one get's hurt, or wastes other people's time.

There are times when you don't want to spoil anything. Lots of people here can announce projects and get away with not posting pics because they've released projects in the past. On the other hand, there might be people who post a pic of something they made while messing around in mapster, and be working on a project, it's all very vague, and the system is ok as it is. There are even instances when people announce a project, post pics, and then abandon it later on anyway, so the pics didn't make any difference.

For example when I announced my latest map, I released a screenshot, another two screenshots which didn't show much, and stated that I was working on a section for the DukeBike, and I think that section looks pretty good for the early stage that it's in, but I wouldn't want to show it to anyone until they play the map.

Lately I've found a few times when I've been downvoted for no apparent reason, but there are also times when people have voted me up for no apparent reason, so it all balances out

[MrBlackCat]

Micky C, on 31 May 2011 - 02:04 AM, said:

Lately I've found a few times when I've been downvoted for no apparent reason, but there are also times when people have voted me up for no apparent reason, so it all balances out

I agree... because of "apparent reason". Because there are no real rules, we can never contest that a given vote, positive or negative, is "wrong" or "right". The system can be used as anyone sees fit basically.

MrBlackCat

[bullerbullerseven]

Micky C, on 31 May 2011 - 02:04 AM, said:

There are times when you don't want to spoil anything. Lots of people here can announce projects and get away with not posting pics because they've released projects in the past. On the other hand, there might be people who post a pic of something they made while messing around in mapster, and be working on a project, it's all very vague, and the system is ok as it is. There are even instances when people announce a project, post pics, and then abandon it later on anyway, so the pics didn't make any difference.

For example when I announced my latest map, I released a screenshot, another two screenshots which didn't show much, and stated that I was working on a section for the DukeBike, and I think that section looks pretty good for the early stage that it's in, but I wouldn't want to show it to anyone until they play the map.

Lately I've found a few times when I've been downvoted for no apparent reason, but there are also times when people have voted me up for no apparent reason, so it all balances out

Actually you are wrong. For some reason, some people care about pictures. If you look at the what are you doing right now thread. Some people actually claimed that they didn't really "believe" in my mod or something like that. Extremely lame way to think yes, but it's true. I handle my way of showing that i don't care by trolling the shit out of them, and it works, they get pissed haha. Jerks

[The Commander]

Jhect, on 31 May 2011 - 11:06 AM, said:

I handle my way of showing that i don't care by trolling the shit out of them, and it works, they get pissed haha. Jerks

[bullerbullerseven]

Exacly. And you are the one i tease the most because you care the most.

[Hank]

Micky C, on 31 May 2011 - 02:04 AM, said:

There are times when you don't want to spoil anything. Lots of people here can announce projects and get away with not posting pics because they've released projects in the past. On the other hand, there might be people who post a pic of something they made while messing around in mapster, and be working on a project, it's all very vague, and the system is ok as it is. There are even instances when people announce a project, post pics, and then abandon it later on anyway, so the pics didn't make any difference.

For example when I announced my latest map, I released a screenshot, another two screenshots which didn't show much, and stated that I was working on a section for the DukeBike, and I think that section looks pretty good for the early stage that it's in, but I wouldn't want to show it to anyone until they play the map.

Lately I've found a few times when I've been downvoted for no apparent reason, but there are also times when people have voted me up for no apparent reason, so it all balances out

That's not what I was getting at, but either way, I was wrong and will withdraw harsh, for the record.
Reason? Glad you asked; Right now I'm trying to gather info, and am sifting through a lot of posts – ehmm no fun; and I think I understand your position much better. However, the problem still exists that trolls can flood the Eduke forums, and from the looks of it, the rating system won't stop that. Yet, this is getting off-topic.

[Tea Monster]

Jhect, on 31 May 2011 - 11:06 AM, said:

... I handle my way of showing that i don't care by trolling the shit out of them, and it works, they get pissed haha. Jerks

No, they think "WTF did he say that crap for?"

I've noticed that a lot of votes seem to be appearing and disappearing around the forums - often with no apparent reason.

[Micky C]

Hank, on 31 May 2011 - 02:42 PM, said:

That's not what I was getting at, but either way, I was wrong and will withdraw harsh, for the record.
Reason? Glad you asked; Right now I'm trying to gather info, and am sifting through a lot of posts – ehmm no fun; and I think I understand your position much better. However, the problem still exists that trolls can flood the Eduke forums, and from the looks of it, the rating system won't stop that. Yet, this is getting off-topic.

It's true that the rating system is not going to stop trolls from 'flooding' the forums, but it makes them much easier to identify, especially for newcomers to the forum.

[Tea Monster]

The forum is already pretty much submerged under a tidal wave of trolls, console kiddies and duketards.

[Master Fibbles]

A certain troll took the hint and left. Since he never contributed, that is fine.
However, jhect at least sometimes contributes and I'm sure he is active in some project or another. Him being an inconsiderate troll and dick doesn't help his reputation, but at least he has a few posts that aren't useless.

[bullerbullerseven]

True fibble. i can be a good boy.

[MrBlackCat]

Jhect, on 02 June 2011 - 08:55 AM, said:

True fibble. i can be a good boy.

You can always say "Well at least I'm not him..."
That way you won't be the forum member that set the bar.

At first I thought "I suppose I could think of the Reputation system as the number of times people liked your posts." Then I realized the flaws in it... because of Underdog voting, friend voting and pure random voting. In only the most extreme of cases could one really establish a pattern. In the instance mentioned, it was amazing how many people DID use the system for the same purpose... to show dislike for a particular type of posting. (trolling)
I guess the system isn't without meaning, but that meaning has a really wide range.

My idea of how to use the voting system has not changed much in the last couple of weeks.
I just vote + for posts which add to the Forum... this might be in the form of insightful views, excellent expression: like conveying ideas, creativity or comedy, and most anything that is of a positive influence on the forum as a whole, a given thread, or encouragement toward an individual.

I might vote a - for attacking others, their idea etc. Especially when you don't take the time explain your own view. That is a person all about themselves which in my opinion is not of much benefit to the conceptual community.
I most often give negatives if you disagree with me, or I don't like your name for instance. (hehehe, just kidding)

I tend to lean toward using judgment as opposed to sticking to tightly with "rules". I have never given a negative for anything like spelling/grammar or being off topic etc.

MrBlackCat

[MrBlackCat]

(oops... didn't realize I was the last post in here. Sorry for the double post.)
How about we have Rollover feedback! That way we don't loose our unused votes!
We can save them for times like when Destiny comes back.

Just kidding...
Hehehe

MrBlackCat

[themaniacboy]

I think i only got high rep points for posting boobs ( Duke Nudem thread ) for download.
That's my thought, i personally think my posts aren't that constructive.

[TerminX]

Mr.Flibble, on 01 June 2011 - 07:18 AM, said:

A certain troll took the hint and left. Since he never contributed, that is fine.

Which one? I banned one a while back and never bothered mentioning it since it wasn't worth discussion. Maybe that's the guy you're thinking of.