[Hank]

Tetsuo, on 03 September 2011 - 12:06 AM, said:

Wow, Ego sure fluctuates fast around here I was 16 just a few minutes ago and now I'm 14!

DNF is a high risk area. Looks like someone disliked you for mentioning Quake, but you made your point. Anyway, I judge still on what is written and not on the count.

[TerminX]

As I've said before, the reputation system is pretty much just for fun. It does tend to discourage some bad posting habits but it's really just a gimmick. It does, however, spawn a lot of conversation about it so it probably won't be going anywhere anytime soon as it boosts forum activity.

[rasmus thorup]

That's a bit selfish if you ask me. It also boosts hate on the forums. I would rather have a reply from someone who agree than a "thumps up" by someone i can't see. And i just can't see how it makes the forums more fun :/
And the other day i had a bug where i made a topic. It says 0 views. Then how could i get 1 downvote. Also the post was harmless o.O

[Tetsuo]

Hank, on 03 September 2011 - 11:56 AM, said:

DNF is a high risk area. Looks like someone disliked you for mentioning Quake, but you made your point. Anyway, I judge still on what is written and not on the count.

Yeah that was irrational of them. They must have thought I was pro-quake and DeeperThought was pro-duke and gave + and - accordingly with bias. When in reality I'm not anti-duke (I'm a fan obviously or else I wouldn't be here) at all and was doing a non-biased comparison that even included Gears of War which someone else also mentioned. A lot of bias\irrationality on the internet though.

[rasmus thorup]

I thought the down-vote was unreasonable too. I upvoted you. Not because i really liked your post. Just because you didn't deserve downvotes.

[Kathy]

Mikko_Sandt, on 29 February 2012 - 01:07 PM, said:

Yes, that's what idiots do, they downvote posts they disagree with.

Yeah, and other idiots complain about being downvoted. What's the point in having voting system if downvoting post you disagree with is considered idiotic? That's what voting is here for - downvote a post you didn't like for whatever reason(if it's not abusing the system or downvoting just because of username).

[Hank]

Helel, on 29 February 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

Yeah, and other idiots complain about being downvoted. What's the point in having voting system if downvoting post you disagree with is considered idiotic? That's what voting is here for - downvote a post you didn't like for whatever reason(if it's not abusing the system or downvoting just because of username).

... and then you have peeps pretending they don't care about the rep system.

I like coming here and have a couple or so extra points. It tells me someone read my post, that is what the forum is for, is it not? To be heard. Yeah, and down votes are just as welcome, for the same reason.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Helel, on 29 February 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

That's what voting is here for - downvote a post you didn't like for whatever reason(if it's not abusing the system or downvoting just because of username).

I upvoted you because I like The Light At The End Of The World.

(And also because I agree with your post.)

[Kathy]

Hank, on 29 February 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

Yeah, and down votes are just as welcome, for the same reason.

Pretty much. It's just some think that downvoting means something wrong with the post. I'd say downvote me whenever you disagree with my post. Replying is a plus, but just vote is still a feedback enough. Too bad we can't see whether post was upvoted/downvoted equally or just no one bothered to vote.

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... and then you have peeps pretending they don't care about the rep system.

I don't care much about it to complain if someone downvoted me, but still care to see if someone voted.

[LeoD]

Helel, on 29 February 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:

Pretty much. It's just some think that downvoting means something wrong with the post. I'd say downvote me whenever you disagree with my post. Replying is a plus, but just vote is still a feedback enough. Too bad we can't see whether post was upvoted/downvoted equally or just no one bothered to vote.

Well, you somewhat can. Just go to your (or anyone's) profile and click the reputation button.

[Kathy]

LeoD, on 29 February 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

Well, you somewhat can. Just go to your (or anyone's) profile and click the reputation button.

Yes it is possible to see in profile, but not in a thread. Plus it's not comfortable to search for a specific voted posts in a profile.

[Ronin]

I make a point of never down voting someone if I'm in an discussion where we disagree with each other, I once down voted someone 2 times who I was arguing with and only after realised it was a pretty pathetic thing to do. I don't care about the rep enough to stop me saying whats on my mind but if I did end up in the red I would probably not post as it would seem pointless to post when nearly everything you type annoys people, if you did continue that would make you a happy troll and a pretty pathetic human. I don't mind pissing people off but I would not do it for that sole purpose, unless that person was a cunt.

[Hendricks266]

The point of downvoting is to downvote posts that suck, not posts you disagree with. Reddiquette.

[TerminX]

I was thinking of making the information about individual votes on a post public. It would mean you could see how many votes of each kind a post has and it would mean you would see who exactly the votes came from. Of course, it would apply to all existing posts as well so it's probably not going to happen due to the arguments over downvotes from months ago that would start.

[Ronin]

TX, on 29 February 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

I was thinking of making the information about individual votes on a post public. It would mean you could see how many votes of each kind a post has and it would mean you would see who exactly the votes came from. Of course, it would apply to all existing posts as well so it's probably not going to happen due to the arguments over downvotes from months ago that would start.

Apart from the arguments, you would probably see a complete change in how people vote too, with more people up voting to make themselves more favourable and less people down voting in fear of retribution to their precious rep.

[The Commander]

TX, on 29 February 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

I was thinking of making the information about individual votes on a post public. It would mean you could see how many votes of each kind a post has and it would mean you would see who exactly the votes came from. Of course, it would apply to all existing posts as well so it's probably not going to happen due to the arguments over downvotes from months ago that would start.

Ripemanewone, on 29 February 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

Apart from the arguments, you would probably see a complete change in how people vote too, with more people up voting to make themselves more favourable and less people down voting in fear of retribution to their precious rep.

I think you are right, I sense that a lot of the people that down vote people for the hell of it in turn would stop once they knew that the person could see who it was.
I still think the whole voting thing is a waste of forum space myself and has lead to enough drama here already.
Who the fuck cares what your reputation points are? Someone with enough common sense is going to be able to judge if someone is not worth dealing with from readying their posts, having some number to indicate this is some what stupid.

[Kathy]

TX, on 29 February 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

I was thinking of making the information about individual votes on a post public. It would mean you could see how many votes of each kind a post has and it would mean you would see who exactly the votes came from. Of course, it would apply to all existing posts as well so it's probably not going to happen due to the arguments over downvotes from months ago that would start.

Maybe as an experiment turn it on for a week? That should spice things up(or down ).

[Martin]

TX, on 03 September 2011 - 12:09 PM, said:

As I've said before, the reputation system is pretty much just for fun. It does tend to discourage some bad posting habits but it's really just a gimmick. It does, however, spawn a lot of conversation about it so it probably won't be going anywhere anytime soon as it boosts forum activity.

I'm in agreement with this. The rep system doesn't really mean anything. I don't think higher of the people who are hundreds in the green than those who are ten in into the red. I just don't care.

[rasmus thorup]

It sure would be fun if you could turn that on for just a week. And really, we are here to have fun right?

[Martin]

Yeah man, do it. I do see what you mean. There's currently plenty of whining bitches, and those of that ilk would definitely start thumbing through ancient posts to see who 'wronged' them. One other possible solution would be to remove the counter under people's names and in their profiles. Thus, we can still downvote things we disagree with and vice versa, but it wouldn't add permanent 'rep' to a member. I guess then it'd just be a feedback system, not a rep system. Another website I post at uses a upvote/downvote system exactly like this, and there's only ever been one or two whining bitches. Here there's fucking loads.

People could just man the fuck up. It's just a thing on an internet gaming forum. It really doesn't matter, and if you think it matters, I'm inclined to believe that you're some kind of epic dork who greatly values his position on an internet gaming forum. It's very pathetic, in my opinion.

[Kathy]

Epic dork? What a great title!

[Danukem]

Martin, on 01 March 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

People could just man the fuck up. It's just a thing on an internet gaming forum. It really doesn't matter, and if you think it matters, I'm inclined to believe that you're some kind of epic dork who greatly values his position on an internet gaming forum. It's very pathetic, in my opinion.

I think you said all that just to get the upvotes, because you care so much about them.

[TerminX]

I made the change. This should be interesting.

[LeoD]

Martin, on 01 March 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

BLA BLA whining bitches BLA BLA whining bitches BLA BLA fucking loads. BLA BLA fuck up BLA BLA epic dork BLA BLA

Apparantly you care a lot about that matter when it can enrage you that much. I do not downvote your opinion but your PMS-like bad manners.

[Kathy]

TX, on 01 March 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

I made the change. This should be interesting.

Wow, that's cool! Gonna check EVERY DOWNVOTED POST. Vengence is here.

Yeah, it would be interesting to check out all the whiners about downvoting.

[LeoD]

Helel, on 01 March 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

Yeah, it would be interesting to check out all the whiners about downvoting.

How would the new function help you on that?

[Danukem]

Well, I don't remember everything that I downvoted. I may have offended some people. So in case I did, and if you are one of those people I offended, just let me say for the record, YOU CAN GO FUCK YOURSELF.

I checked my own and it was more interesting than I expected. There was one run of downvotes from a particular member who was downvoting everything of mine on different random topics for a few days, because I had pissed him off. But for the most part, most of the downvotes (and there weren't a whole lot, so it didn't take long to check) seemed to be what I would call "balancing" votes. A balancing vote is when you see that someone has already been voted up or down, you think they don't deserve it, and so you vote in the other direction to balance it. In other words, they are cases where you would not have voted on the post at all, but someone else already has and you don't agree with them. I do that myself sometimes.

[Danukem]

Is it a good idea for moderators and admins to be part of the rep system? Now that votes are public, members may hesitate to downvote moderators out of fear of retaliation. Of course, they may have had that fear even before this, but now there is a more obvious foundation for the fear. Also, as a moderator I would now be more hesitant to downvote someone, because I would not want them to think that they were at risk of being banned. A downvote from a moderator would feel more serious and people might be intimidated by it. And then on the upvote side, there are people who would upvote moderators in an attempt to curry favor. In sum, the rep of a moderator is pretty meaningless for these reasons (in addition to all the usual reasons that reps are meaningless), and having moderators participate in the system (by voting and being voted on) could potentially be harmful to morale.

[LeoD]

Helel, on 01 March 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

Epic dork? What a great title!

I just thought what would happen if blackharted had written that...

DeeperThought, on 01 March 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

Is it a good idea for moderators and admins to be part of the rep system? Now that votes are public, members may hesitate to downvote moderators out of fear of retaliation. Of course, they may have had that fear even before this, but now there is a more obvious foundation for the fear.

Fearless as I am I have decided to downvote your bad manners, too.

DeeperThought, on 01 March 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

Also, as a moderator I would now be more hesitant to downvote someone, because I would not want them to think that they were at risk of being banned. A downvote from a moderator would feel more serious and people might be intimidated by it. And then on the upvote side, there are people who would upvote moderators in an attempt to curry favor. In sum, the rep of a moderator is pretty meaningless for these reasons (in addition to all the usual reasons that reps are meaningless), and having moderators participate in the system (by voting and being voted on) could potentially be harmful to morale.

What favor could a moderator do at all? Except giving a custom titile?
Active moderating doesn't exist much around here anyway. Taking the moderators out of the rep system both passive or active would kind of separate them from the other community members. This would do more harm to the morale than some scared noobs.

[Kathy]

DeeperThought, on 01 March 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Well, I don't remember everything that I downvoted. I may have offended some people. So in case I did, and if you are one of those people I offended, just let me say for the record, YOU CAN GO FUCK YOURSELF.

You can go fuck yourself too, my friend.

DeeperThought, on 01 March 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

Is it a good idea for moderators and admins to be part of the rep system? Now that votes are public, members may hesitate to downvote moderators out of fear of retaliation.

Couldn't moderators see votes before that?

I don't remember any problems with TX about downvoting him if you're not abusing anything.

LeoD, on 01 March 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

How would the new function help you on that?

They would know who downvoted them which would mean more lolz.