[Wienerhole]

Hank, on 21 February 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

I don't think Beer will replace oil...

Bwahaha... perfect image, danke.

I do think Beer will continue "fueling" humans for far longer than oil, though.

Hank, on 21 February 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

Do I actually believe what is being preached right now? No, but I do not fight against it either.

“Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible." - 1952

Hank, on 21 February 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

You may view me as a fool...

Not in the slightest. I only engage people I think are intelligent/interesting/wise and fully capable of making me look like a fool from time to time.

Hank, on 21 February 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

As for the global control, right now those that control the oil (not only produce it) pretty much run things. If technology spreads out and reduces or even eliminates that dependency on one or two energy sources, that control is then diversified.

Raw materials will still be needed. The power players don't care what the choke point in the system is, only that there is one and they control it and the currency. They are willing to (pay others to) kill, lie, and cheat for that control. That's why people living off the grid is a massive thorn in their side and gets marginalized or outright made *cough* illegal.

I think it's worth considering why you don't even seem to question what the purpose of an "advanced" technocratic civilization is. Are you *sure* we're working toward a better future for humans? A ranch is a highly organized technological system which most definitely does not exist for the benefit of the animals on the ranch... even though the animals on the ranch are critical to building and sustaining the ranch.

The oxen pulls the cart carrying the materials used to build a better yoke.

[Wienerhole]

Here's my daily dose of "woo woo" crazy talk.

What if we were "given the gift" of agriculture and animal husbandry in order to create a situation where according to cosmic law the same thing could be done to us? If we are willing to do it to *those* beings... why should anyone complain when other beings do it to us? By factory farming animals, we consent to being factory farmed... probably in a way few of us could even consider in the same way a cow never thinks about becoming a hamburger.

[MrBlackCat]

I love this line of thought... I want to be a hamburger when I grow up.

MrBlackHamburger

Edit... actually we can just use the old "but thats different" thingy.

[Wienerhole]

Not that this is a new concept, but I think it's a reasonable possibility we're being harvested for our creativity/imagination. So not quite as bad as hamburger, but still with a tangible effect. We are kept in a perpetual state of discomfort in order to create the potential to stimulate dreaming for something better. Those dreams are then harvested and we're allowed to keep the bare minimum for ourselves in order to keep the system working while the better ones go to the farmers.

Imagine how amazing of a writer/director you could sell yourself as if you knew how to travel around in everyone's dreams and "snip out" certain ones to keep to yourself leaving a dull void preventing the source from acting on it themselves.

Perhaps all the hyper advanced alien races stole their ideas from us, and some of them are having second thoughts and trying to figure out how to make contact without us screaming mind rape.

[Robman]

Indeed, they ride on the coattails of the ones with good intent, most things created/discovered can be a double edged sword. They are kings of the double cross.

There used to be a sign heading into town near here that was a red and white yin-yang that said "technocracy" .. rode the school bus by it most my life. It's gone now...
and now I know what it meant. eerie.

Pretty sure the borg was a Star Trek reference.. probably an asshat for even pointing it out.

Charlie's quote up there is from the 50's .. Water fluoridation started, atleast 15 years before then, I know that's just one thing out of many to point out but eh.. This stuff has been going on for far too long. When they are able to sustain their being by way of technological aid, the "useless eaters" will be thoroughly done away with.
The world has atleast 70 million psychopaths.

So, let's recap.. I've shared an actual sign for technocracy and the fact people received in the mail "invitations" to a seminar about the 1worldgov, why we need one, who should rule? and so forth. Remove the doubt from your mind about if this is really going on or not.. it is.

The wwf screaming enndoubleyouoohh at you for half your life likely didn't help.

[Hank]

CharlesT, on 21 February 2015 - 11:31 AM, said:

I think it's worth considering why you don't even seem to question what the purpose of an "advanced" technocratic civilization is. Are you *sure* we're working toward a better future for humans? A ranch is a highly organized technological system which most definitely does not exist for the benefit of the animals on the ranch... even though the animals on the ranch are critical to building and sustaining the ranch.

The oxen pulls the cart carrying the materials used to build a better yoke.

If I go that route and look for a purpose, I may start looking for a conspiracy, since we are perhaps implying a hidden purpose of our changing society. I simply look for opportunities, and right now, they are plenty. And I believe those in power do the same; the difference here is that those in power get the lion share.
My own home town is cleaner as it was when I first immigrated here. The tap water is even drinkable now, and so on. Am I sure those making the new laws have my best interest in mind? Of course not. That would require trusting those with power.

Slaves built temples and mansions and do what they are told. One can see the irony or make his own hut instead.

Not sure how many posts came while I wrote this, but ever heard the phrase: I love you so much I could eat you all up? humans eat what they love.

Star Trek no it did not click. Mr. Spock. Oh well, thanks any Robman, even if we don't actually agree for today.

[Wienerhole]

Hank, on 21 February 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

If I go that route and look for a purpose, I may start looking for a conspiracy...

It's called doing your due diligence.

Hank, on 21 February 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

...since we are perhaps implying a hidden purpose of our changing society.

Not hidden. Advertised flagrantly... because it's part of the predictive programming.

Hank, on 21 February 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

I simply look for opportunities, and right now, they are plenty.

And you don't seem to care why those opportunities exist or where they are leading so long as you can make a buck.

Hank, on 21 February 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

And I believe those in power do the same; the difference here is that those in power get the lion share.

Yes, because they are psychopaths who don't care the damage caused so long as they "win".

Hank, on 21 February 2015 - 03:05 PM, said:

Slaves built temples and mansions and do what they are told. One can see the irony or make his own hut instead.

You won't get to build your own hut. You already can't unless you get permission from Pharaoh... and what Pharaoh giveth... Pharaoh can taketh.

[MYHOUSE.MAP]

Whenever I need a dose of high school stoner philosphy, I can always turn to The Post Thread to deliver the goods.

[Hank]

CharlesT, on 21 February 2015 - 03:41 PM, said:

And you don't seem to care why those opportunities exist or where they are leading so long as you can make a buck.

You won't get to build your own hut. You already can't unless you get permission from Pharaoh... and what Pharaoh giveth... Pharaoh can taketh.

I do care. I say it again, my home town is cleaner as it was before. What is wrong to force people and industry to reduce pollution? Will another industry benefit? Yes. And if you can 'read' the signs, you can follow suit and provide the oxen that rides the cart to make a better yoke.

(Canada) The land is owned by the Crown, and I have to pay taxes to the Crown. The Crown does not want a hut, it wants those annually pennies for their land.

[MrBlackCat]

All I can think of right now is "As long as we save just ONE child..." in the context of justifying billions in donations from some fake charity in which the vast majority of donations go to "administration". There are SO many "charities" that are so deeply corrupt.


Most would want a "better" environment... cleaner IS better... but cleaner is most likely possible without 90% of the cost, be it financial or freedoms. It is my opinion that most of the things a government does that benefit its subjects (or slaves, or cattle, or sheeple, or whatever) is for the benefit of the government entity itself, is my point. Any improvement for the subjects is a by-product of the government entity getting what it wants. As CharlesT constantly points out (in my opinion) the way governments function are mostly the same as us as individuals... probably a bit worse as the scale is so large, there is less connection to others. I mean less of a connection to those around us. It is easier to abuse and steal from "numbers" and "pets" I am sure. I see myself as in the role of an ox pulling a cart for giant red-neck farmer. Sure he is an idiot, but he is in power as long as don't "pick that battle", which I can't win alone. "Winning" to me would have to include answers and solutions I do not believe I have.


I am typing idealistically of course, when I say that I am not content with "the way things are"... in the sense that over-throwing the government is a battle I do not choose... I also don't have all the answers of how it "should" or "could" work, but I am more and more strongly convinced that our current system is not the answer.
Struggling to summarize. I will leave it there.

MrBlackCat

[Hendricks266]

[Lunick]

Gearbox caused global warming.

[Robman]

MYHOUSE.MAP, on 21 February 2015 - 04:00 PM, said:

Whenever I need a dose of high school stoner philosphy, I can always turn to The Post Thread to deliver the goods.

Please, enlighten us with what you KNOW to be going on. If highschool stoners are talking about this stuff, than I guess you know what you should aspire to be when you grow up. Despite being lucky that your shitpost was even responded to.

Now I know what it's like to be a daycare teacher, did everybody wipe their bums good after going to the bathroom? It's storytime now, don't be afraid of the big bad wolf.

@Hank .. you completely missed what he was saying about pharaoh. Your God given birth right of even having a piece of earth to dwell on can be taken away if you don't play into Pharaoh's game or even fall behind in doing so. Then you post something that says the same thing he was saying yet the meaning was still lost.

Also seems next to nobody in here follows any sort of world news.

If you haven't noticed, these aren't stupid people telling you what is going on. At the very least, Charles and Gambini are a couple of the brighter minds in this community, it's not like random people joined and started spouting this. You may want to pay attention as apparently I'm just chop liver and no sense can be made of what I say.. even though I say it with the layman in mind.


How many times must I post the above image before it sinks in?


Read the sign behind this guy, Have you done any investigating?
It's getting tiresome explaining what reality actually is. Wake up and be of some use.

Yes, stoner, 420, giggle.. Let's be 14 again.

[Robman]

MrBlackCat, on 21 February 2015 - 06:42 PM, said:

I see myself as in the role of an ox pulling a cart for giant red-neck farmer. Sure he is an idiot, but he is in power as long as don't "pick that battle", which I can't win alone. "Winning" to me would have to include answers and solutions I do not believe I have.

MrBlackCat

Do you fear living amongst nature like every other species on this planet so much as to give your life to a system of government which consistently gets saturated with greed and special interests? Those interests not being in the peoples favour. Ask any psychopath, power is better than sex.

Native Indians for example, I would go as far as to doubt whether they even had a word for depression. Sure do now though.

The solution is good people identifying the evils and evil doers, holding them accountable and taking their countries back.

Get indignant!
(feeling or showing anger or annoyance at what is perceived as unfair treatment.)

Technocracy :
(the government or control of society or industry by an elite of technical experts.)

[Fox]

Simpsons season episodes reviews

[Mblackwell]

Random signs for meetings aren't proof of anything. Verifiable documentation of who was responsible for the meeting, who attended, and how it affected policy would be way more useful. Any idiot can rent a space and put on a seminar: Just look at all of the "self help" gurus spouting their snake oil bullshit at fancy hotels.

[Robman]

Mblackwell, on 22 February 2015 - 05:50 AM, said:

Random signs for meetings aren't proof of anything. Verifiable documentation of who was responsible for the meeting, who attended, and how it affected policy would be way more useful. Any idiot can rent a space and put on a seminar: Just look at all of the "self help" gurus spouting their snake oil bullshit at fancy hotels.

That got sent out in Canada and the US that I know of, likely more countries. It would cost money to do such a thing. Why would any random person do that?

You've never heard past and present presidents yap on about a new world order? George Soros.. etc..
Have you been desensitized as to what those 3 words mean?

[Hank]

Robman, on 22 February 2015 - 04:13 AM, said:

Native Indians for example, I would go as far as to doubt whether they even had a word for depression. Sure do now though.

depression = niisaanendam. Transliterated from Ojibwe to English
As you know, aboriginals had a full fledged society with all the trimmings and human interactions, including depression .

[Robman]

Fair enough, I would say the depression is much more rampant in these times however.

There's a difference between just being sad/lonely or sorrowful and depression.

[Wienerhole]

Mblackwell, on 22 February 2015 - 05:50 AM, said:

Random signs for meetings aren't proof of anything. Verifiable documentation of who was responsible for the meeting, who attended, and how it affected policy would be way more useful.

Hmmm... ok. I'm going to get a couple of replies out of my system and then disappear for a while to put together an information packet of sorts. I will do my best to avoid the esoteric and occult (aka hidden) side of things, even though that's where the real meat is, and focus on the more mundane outward aspects.

Nobody will ever prove anything to you but yourself. At the end of the day if you want to learn Calculus or some other subject, you have to put the legwork in yourself and no amount of information fed to you on a spoon will make a difference if you don't. Every person can always find some way to deny what's right in front of them... and when it's a subject where the object of study is actively trying to disorient the information available... it becomes doubly difficult to overcome.

Mblackwell, on 22 February 2015 - 05:50 AM, said:

Any idiot can rent a space and put on a seminar: Just look at all of the "self help" gurus spouting their snake oil bullshit at fancy hotels.

Ehhh... just because you sell someone a hammer and they hit themselves in the face with it doesn't mean it's complete bullshit. Keep what works for you, leave behind the rest, at all times. Don't assume you know what another person needs most in their life at that moment... sometimes a person needs to experience A before they can reach B. Developing self awareness is not a one size fits all process. What's great for you is snake oil bullshit to someone else.

Different people react differently to Aspirin... and that's just physical chemistry. The spectrum of mental and emotional chemistry is far more varied.

I didn't know how to be somewhat right until I learned how to be profoundly wrong.

Robman, on 22 February 2015 - 02:46 AM, said:

Yes, stoner, 420, giggle.. Let's be 14 again.

Some quality synchronicity is always good for a smile. Get too jaded and you become a useful opposition zealot for "The They".

[Kyanos]

Hank, on 22 February 2015 - 06:34 AM, said:

depression = niisaanendam. Transliterated from Ojibwe to English
As you know, aboriginals had a full fledged society with all the trimmings and human interactions, including depression .

Had. Tribal societies are racist.

Tuatha de Danann. Others had history too. Now we all speak inglis.

[MrBlackCat]

Robman, on 22 February 2015 - 04:13 AM, said:

Do you fear living amongst nature like every other species on this planet...

Had to split this to answer. Living with nature I can do within reason I am capable of full self sufficiency. I practice this actively for most of my life. But you can't mix the world of self sufficiency and the societies we live in today. Even the odd isolated Indians biggest threat is "progress" of the world around them. The old "No man is an island" gets used out of context and isn't true, but like many "sayings" is used as a false absolute to keep people more dependency minded.

Robman said:

...so much as to give your life to a system of government which consistently gets saturated with greed and special interests?

Nope, but we didn't give our lives, we are born into this. We didn't give it, it was already taken. The price of the individual to leave the pack is death... only a very large group will leave without annihilation. Even too much talk of taking it back is usually criminal and you will be met with a force greater than the group. Dying for what you believe in I suppose is a true pack behavior, but at an individual level is not a wise plan. Dying TRYING to make the world a better place is understandable, but is not "a solution" usually.

Robman said:

Those interests not being in the peoples favour. Ask any psychopath, power is better than sex.

This is something most do not understand. Maybe you have some grasp of the importance of this. Like a person who is retarded, psychotics are unable to understand what they are for two reasons... 1. They can not experience what it is like NOT to be psychotic, so it is always dramatically abstract to them. Typically, psychotics live their whole lives effectively acting. The sweetest little pie baking grandmaw can be psychotic and just acting out what she believes in, but never have felt a connection with the outside world and experienced the emotional motivations for what she does. Things like Christianity DO help with these people as it gives them a pattern to follow if they choose it. You don't have to feel a thing to copy a behavior.
2. They don't CARE why you do something. It is not uncommon for highly intelligent psychotics to realize what they are, but they don't care, because they can't. I know a person who reached this point... They said to me once, "now I understand why I pretend to cry at funerals." then briefly asked me a few questions about what it might be like to "feel" these things. Ended on a very "oh well, cool" kind of thing. They are very intelligent, very predictable, and even have partial awareness that they are psychotic. It is a bit scary, but if you aren't between them and where they are going, you aren't in danger.

Robman said:

Native Indians for example, I would go as far as to doubt whether they even had a word for depression. Sure do now though.

I don't want to live like Native Americans were living, but I don't think we have to. I believe these things can be balanced... buy by who, or what, I can not answer as do not know. With natural selection being out of the game for humans for the most part, we are kind of screwed.

Robman said:

The solution is good people identifying the evils and evil doers, holding them accountable and taking their countries back.

This is where I put down my firearms, put the tent and packs back in the closet, lock the cave back up, and come here to post, or go to work... THIS is a problem, and a big one. How and who? Me? Am I this wise? Relative to me, I think so, but so does half the people here, so it won't work. If the snake had one head it would be different.

Robman said:

Get indignant!
(feeling or showing anger or annoyance at what is perceived as unfair treatment.)

Technocracy :
(the government or control of society or industry by an elite of technical experts.)

The idea of "Rule or be Ruled" does carry some weight. Idealistically, I would not mind being ruled by nature, as I believe that is something I can not change. Ruled by other men? Right or wrong, I know that CAN be changed, as they are only men, so the temptation, itch etc, will always be there. If a tornado blows down my shelter, or a storm floods my property, I can just say "stuff happens" and keep on going with a smile or at least not a frown. If a government taxes me unfairly by charging me for their own greed, the smile has to be blind-eyed choice, not an honest reaction. We are all skilled liars to ourselves. Is just part of individual survival though, not fussing about us being human.

If I had a solution, I would execute it today. No other has shown me a solution that includes getting out of where we are, only how it would be if we weren't here.

MrBlackCat

[Hank]

Robman, on 22 February 2015 - 07:00 AM, said:

Fair enough, I would say the depression is much more rampant in these times however.

There's a difference between just being sad/lonely or sorrowful and depression.

http://www.creedicti...ope=1&cwr=55262

Here is a Cree version of depression, with it's own written letters. It's not just a word with muliple meanings, like sad or lonely as well. It refers to the concept of being down for no apparent reason.

Not sure if they are more depressed than before Europeans showed up. Aboriginals won huge land claims lately (Canada); does not look like the leaders are depressed at any rate. Either way, we would need to ask them. The once I actually do business with are quite cheerful.

@ Drek - Yep, They are racist, and as I just wrote are winning land claims, so they are not in the past tense, they are present and future as well.

[Robman]

Their success is dependent upon their "slaves" compliance. Stop complying, stop playing their game.. if this was done on a massive scale, ruling a desert or void space would be boring.
In other words, take away their means of success. It will require making sacrifices in your comfort level in the short term, unless being the hamburger is appealing.

LuvU2 Blacky

MrBlackCat, on 22 February 2015 - 09:29 AM, said:

Nope, but we didn't give our lives, we are born into this. We didn't give it, it was already taken.

We were born into it, yes. When and if we awake is when we gain or are given the choice.
When you "work" for money, you are literally giving or trading some of your life, for money. They can decide how much that is worth.

@Hank..
Ok, sorry I said anything about Indians it was sort of just thrown out there as a small tidbit.. keep your eye on the ball! hehe
What province you in?

[Robman]

CharlesT, on 22 February 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

Hmmm... ok. I'm going to get a couple of replies out of my system and then disappear for a while to put together an information packet of sorts. I will do my best to avoid the esoteric and occult (aka hidden) side of things, even though that's where the real meat is, and focus on the more mundane outward aspects.

Nobody will ever prove anything to you but yourself. At the end of the day if you want to learn Calculus or some other subject, you have to put the legwork in yourself and no amount of information fed to you on a spoon will make a difference if you don't. Every person can always find some way to deny what's right in front of them... and when it's a subject where the object of study is actively trying to disorient the information available... it becomes doubly difficult to overcome.

After Blackwell's post I also had the urge to bombard the thread with Links/videos/books +. I'm thankful to have others in the "burden" of proof camp. Maybe divide up the information.. first chunk without occultism .. second chunk with, up to you.

Hank, on 22 February 2015 - 09:35 AM, said:

Not sure if they are more depressed than before Europeans showed up. Aboriginals won huge land claims lately (Canada); does not look like the leaders are depressed at any rate. Either way, we would need to ask them. The once I actually do business with are quite cheerful.

Dude, look at the overall picture of the aboriginal situation. If you've dealt with any of them as you say. Of course dealing with the king of the shitheap will be different than dealing with the shitheap itself. He won't be living like the rest, he will be the 1% of them

I can tell you, they protest like mad up here, their view of the establishment is very poor.
Overall picture, they got penned in and suppressed, it has clearly effected their line of learned DNA from history. They were ripped out of their game so to speak and find it hard to cope. Understandably so. But whatever, enough about Indians.

[Person of Color]

Mark., on 21 February 2015 - 07:05 AM, said:

You are confusing air pollution and climate change ( which is mostly about carbon dioxide )

One accelerates the other.

Honestly to fix this shit we just have to invest in technology properly and rebel against the world's elite. Sounds like a lot, and it is, but we need to do this to fix society anyway, so screw it.

Elon Musk will be remembered as one of the most important technological innovators in 50 years. Why? He made all his patents public. You can pry fuel sucking 4.6 liter, overhead cam, roaring V8 from my cold dead hands, and the same goes for my manual transmission. But I've sat inside these cars at dealers, I've played with all their features, and even I REALLY REALLY REALLY WANT ONE.

[Robman]

Person of Color, on 22 February 2015 - 03:38 PM, said:

One accelerates the other.

Honestly to fix this shit we just have to invest in technology properly and rebel against the world's elite. Sounds like a lot, and it is, but we need to do this to fix society anyway, so screw it.

Elon Musk will be remembered as one of the most important technological innovators in 50 years. Why? He made all his patents public. You can pry fuel sucking 4.6 liter, overhead cam, roaring V8 from my cold dead hands, and the same goes for my manual transmission. But I've sat inside these cars at dealers, I've played with all their features, and even I REALLY REALLY REALLY WANT ONE.

Mustang? .. My ford is standard also. Fuel sucking pushrod 4.0L v6 ...170 whopping ponies, I like reliable and 4x4 though, lol.

[Person of Color]

2004 GT 5spd. Let me guess, you have an Explorer? I love second gen Explorers.

[Robman]

Person of Color, on 22 February 2015 - 03:55 PM, said:

2004 GT 5spd. Let me guess, you have an Explorer? I love second gen Explorers.

Looks like a fun ride. I had a friend in highschool with a 3.8L v6 mustang I think it was a '99 or so. Mach 3 sound system in it sounded good. Comfy seats.
He broke something in the motor doing a brake torque one day, that car had a sad end.

Yeah I like my 2nd gen exploders. Got tired of putting mufflers on it so I just straight piped it.

This was my first explorer, the auto tranny died on me at one point, ended up stripping it for parts, it was in quite nice shape and the 4.0L SOHC v6.


This is the one I have now, it's stick .. 4.10 gears though torque sure, but revs high at highway speeds. 312 000km on it now. I wanna see how far it'll go.
bought it for $800 .. sunroof and ac still works! .. The tires came on it and they were like new. I took those running board "pipes" off. Put class 5 trailer hitches on them both.

[Mblackwell]

CharlesT, on 22 February 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

stuff [that I actually read but didn't want to have a mega-quote]

Just so you know I tend to automatically assume everything is bullshit until proven otherwise. From the mundane to the crazy conspiracy I try not to take anything at face value because everyone has an agenda, even if it's not a conscious one (including myself).