[Forge]

Alan, on 20 February 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

Grunge has a complete lack of sophistication. Grunge wasn't the bane of 80s metal, it was pop artists taking the work that metal did and bastardizing it to get chicks. Everyone associates 80s metal with big goofy hair, make up and glitter, and I can't entirely blame them; but damn it's frustrating when people think that's what I listen to when I say I listen to 80s metal. A few times I've been derided for it because people think I listen to that sappy shit, and they were really damn surprised when I showed them actual 80s metal.

If the pop fuckfaces didn't try to steal it, metal would probably have endured and crushed grunge as a blip on the radar.

i wouldn't say grunge killed 80s metal either. It was more like a void filler.

i'm from the iron maiden/judas priest school of metal. the problem was that style of metal music wasn't even close to being as popular as foo-foo sissy rock.
i agree that pop metal ruined the image of metal in general. real metal, while having a large and strong backing, was never that commercially huge in the first place, and it left the door open for bubble-gum crap that record producers like.

after some point hair metal ran it's course and all the bands were cookie-cutter interchangeable with one another. people were tired of rock ballads and due to timing as much as anything else grunge took over.

it was easy for someone of the heavy metal school to skip over the poofy-sissy stuff and transition to grunge due to imaging. not much of a transition from denim & leather to denim & plaid shirts
it was easy for the wussy pop rockers to transition because both forms of music are pretty simplistic.
simplistic music with a good catchy beat are what record labels want. doesn't cost much to produce and is commercially more popular with the masses who like their music easy to understand/listen to.

[Jimmy]

I don't even know if that is accurate, because grunge isn't simplistic and easy to listen to by definition, lots of Soundgarden, Nirvana, Mudhoney, and Alice in Chains songs are contrary to that analysis. It wasn't all Stone Temple Pilots.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Forge, on 20 February 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

simplistic music with a good catchy beat are what record labels want.

Thank goodness that's not always true.

[Radar]

Grunge is not simple. Grunge introduced chord progressions with minimal flow that had never been used before in the history of music.

Forge, do you consider bands like Van Halen, Black Sabbath, Ozzy Osbourne, Metallica, etc. to be under that "sissy rock" genre?

[Forge]

Radar, on 20 February 2013 - 02:54 PM, said:

Grunge is not simple. Grunge introduced chord progressions with minimal flow that had never been used before in the history of music.

Forge, do you consider bands like Van Halen, Black Sabbath, Ozzy Osbourne, Metallica, etc. to be under that "sissy rock" genre?

i'm loosely using the term simplistic when comparing bands like nirvana to bands like iron maiden. their songs are more "radio friendly". don't read too much into it.

van halen a little bit, especially after they merged with sammy hagar. early on not really. ozzy went through the poofy hair & rock balad phase as well. earlier and later stuff for him not so much.

sissy rock was poison, bon jovi, warrant, etc. - the rock ballad era started by motley crue 'cause a drunk vince neal killed his friend and had to "clean up" his act and be more socially acceptable. no more shout at the devil.

[Jimmy]

Motley Crue always sucked.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Captain Awesome, on 20 February 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

Motley Crue always sucked.

You're not making very many friends here.

[Radar]

Just saying that would make him a friend of mine.

[X-Vector]

Alan, on 20 February 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

Everyone associates 80s metal with big goofy hair, make up and glitter

I don't believe that's even true for the US, much less the rest of the world where hair metal was never quite that big.

Captain Awesome, on 20 February 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

That's a valid argument because you've probably heard the singles, which means it came off their last record which was just barely finished before Bradley's death and had a markedly different sound because of their big record label contract. 40 Oz. to Freedom and Robbin' The Hood are superior records.

No, I listened to a couple of tracks off 40. Oz (Date Rape, 54-46 and one other) and they just didn't grab me.
It's not bad (though the Toots & The Maytals original of 54-46 is far superior), but it doesn't make me want to hear more either.
In general I'm not a huge fan of skapunk though*, so it's not all Sublime's fault.

*With the exception of supporting my local scene:

[High Treason]

80's metal sucks!¹

90's metal ftw;


¹ Nah, there actually was some good stuff in the 80's; Megadeth, White Skull and Terrorizer to name a few, but I prefer the sounds from the 1990's and 2000's so it's really a matter of taste.

Something else to note is the track I posted was "borrowed" for a Nintendo game in the 90's, looking at them now, you wouldn't think they'd do that.

[Forge]

90s metal is the bastard child of 80s metal

[Person of Color]

Hair metal is fucking gay. Sorry guys.

[Kathy]

Which "guys" were you actually addressing?

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Right, it seems the vast majority of people agree with Descent. It's like saying "I know this view is unpopular but Uwe Boll sucks at directing".

[Sangman]

Captain Awesome, on 20 February 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

It wasn't all Stone Temple Pilots.

Stone Temple Pilots' "Core" album is brilliant and awesome. But yeah, the rest not so much - some great songs here and there but nothing as 100% terrific as Core.

[underTaker]

Random sentence: I love beer.

[Jimmy]

X-Vector, on 21 February 2013 - 03:30 AM, said:

No, I listened to a couple of tracks off 40. Oz (Date Rape, 54-46 and one other) and they just didn't grab me.
It's not bad (though the Toots & The Maytals original of 54-46 is far superior), but it doesn't make me want to hear more either.
In general I'm not a huge fan of skapunk though*, so it's not all Sublime's fault.

Ska-punk is my jam. Although it is true that you'll have a hard time liking Sublime if you dislike ska (which makes you inhuman.)

Sangman, on 21 February 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Stone Temple Pilots' "Core" album is brilliant and awesome. But yeah, the rest not so much - some great songs here and there but nothing as 100% terrific as Core.

Core is great. I love STP, but they were always "the band that plays the best music of all the best bands." I don't like much other than Core and Purple.

[Hank]

underTaker, on 21 February 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

Random sentence: I love beer.

Me too, we will get some tonight, thanks for reminding me.
It's bitter cold out there, and I am thirsty, I may have two or three, to quench my thirst, four maybe.

[Hendricks266]

I like smooth jazz.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

I like everything that isn't Call Me Maybe or Justin Bieber.

[Hank]

@ Hendricks266, is that a confession
Foreplay

[Radar]

Hendricks266, on 21 February 2013 - 05:10 PM, said:

I like smooth jazz.

Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue

[Hendricks266]

In the US, you may have heard this on The Weather Channel.

[Jimmy]

Hell, the Weather Channel even uses a DEVO tune.

[Master Fibbles]

The billionaire who went to the ISS wants to send 2 unlucky people to Mars and back (501 day trip that includes a circumnavigation of Mars, no landing). If the ship makes it back, there may only be one of them left, if either of them survive the trip.

[Jimmy]

I love how the Dead Kennedys only get more relevant with time. Wonder who those two people end up being?

[Lunick]

[Kathy]

Hm, Obi-Wan in Ep2 sure does look a lot like his master in Ep1.

[Forge]

Sangman, on 21 February 2013 - 11:16 AM, said:

Stone Temple Pilots' "Core" album is brilliant and awesome. But yeah, the rest not so much - some great songs here and there but nothing as 100% terrific as Core.

agree with this. don't care for purple in its entirety, but i like kitchenware & candybars

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Hendricks266, on 21 February 2013 - 07:19 PM, said:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=lOIeDVOP7Bo
In the US, you may have heard this on The Weather Channel.

Being a Florida resident, I always used to enjoy watching the Weather Channel and hearing the calming, peaceful smooth jazz with the red "HURRICANE WARNING" text flashing in the background.