[Forge]

Sangman, on 17 February 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

I'm sure there are French people out there but everyone of them I met personally (and I'm not even overstating, I mean literally every single one) has been a giant cunt.

2012 was a cool year.

HA! That reminds me of when i was stationed in Germany. We were at a multinational firing range for some week long competition. Our little group of guys was sitting in the beer tent throwing a few back with the German group. A little later some Brits walked in, words were exchanged between them and the Germans, and next thing you know their having a good brawl. Not even a minute later the French group walked in and it was like one of those double take scenes in a movie where everything comes to a dead stop. Without so much as a word the Brits and Germans both jumped on the French guys and whooped them from one end of the tent to the other. After the French evacuated the scene the Brits went their way, the Germans came back and sat at our table like nothing happened. One of the funniest damn things i'd ever seen. Learned alot about European culture that day.

1995 was a good year

[Micky C]

Forge, on 17 February 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

HA! That reminds me of when i was stationed in Germany. We were at a multinational firing range for some week long competition. Our little group of guys was sitting in the beer tent throwing a few back with the German group. A little later some Brits walked in, words were exchanged between them and the Germans, and next thing you know their having a good brawl. Not even a minute later the French group walked in and it was like one of those double take scenes in a movie where everything comes to a dead stop. Without so much as a word the Brits and Germans both jumped on the French guys and whooped them from one end of the tent to the other. After the French evacuated the scene the Brits went their way, the Germans came back and sat at our table like nothing happened. One of the funniest damn things i'd ever seen. Learned alot about European culture that day.

1995 was a good year

So what was the motive behind all that? Both the brits and the french were allied against the germans in the two world wars, but then again there was the 100 year war between england and france.

[Radar]

Hank, on 17 February 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

I check my posts with preview, and they pass right then and there. When I read the same post ten minutes (or so) later, I find errors and sometimes they are so stupid I simply delete them.

You're a smart poster Hank. You should have more faith in what you write. I'm sure it's never all as bad as you think it is.

Captain Awesome, on 17 February 2013 - 04:33 PM, said:

He was. That's from the Unplugged performance. Plenty of hilarious faces from that.

He lived a good life and a terrible life all at the same time.

[Jimmy]

Kurt was the only member of Nirvana worth a damn. Dave Grohl, Kris Novoselic, and Pat Smear were all fucking posh douchebag posterboys. I saw a video of them three talking shit about GG Allin shortly after he died, and I'm like dude, Darby Crash heroin'ed himself retarded and would throw microphones in peanut butter and cover himself in powdered sugar and you're gonna talk shit about GG? You could barely even play guitar for fifteen years.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

I was asked by someone who was very much a fan of 60s rock, "What's the big deal with Nirvana? Why were they so popular? They weren't musically great or anything."

No, they weren't, but I guess there was something identifiable about the band and its message?

[Kathy]

What message?

[Inspector Lagomorf]

In... the lyrics...?

You know... the words that accompany a song...?

Derived from the Greek word "lyrikos", meaning "singing to the lyre"...

[Forge]

Achenar, on 18 February 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

I was asked by someone who was very much a fan of 60s rock, "What's the big deal with Nirvana? Why were they so popular? They weren't musically great or anything."

No, they weren't, but I guess there was something identifiable about the band and its message?

it was the movement away from LA cookie-cutter glam rock that made them popular. They set a new trend. It was more about the image than the music.

The Big Cheese, on 17 February 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

So what was the motive behind all that? Both the brits and the french were allied against the germans in the two world wars, but then again there was the 100 year war between england and france.

i guess it's a statement that no matter how much Europeans can't stand each other, they share a common dislike for French people that trumps any other discontent.

[Hank]

Forge, on 18 February 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

it was the movement away from LA cookie-cutter glam rock that made them popular. They set a new trend. It was more about the image than the music.

I think, when Smells Like Teen Spirit succeeded, the Label milked that success to the max. It was not Nirvana setting the trend.

As a side note, I only noticed their music when C. Love mentioned their name, ten years later. Back then and now, I have a hard time to hear anything special musically wise.

[Radar]

Achenar, on 18 February 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

I was asked by someone who was very much a fan of 60s rock, "What's the big deal with Nirvana? Why were they so popular? They weren't musically great or anything."

You asked the wrong person. Nirvana wasn't a 60's band.

Captain Awesome, on 17 February 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

Kurt was the only member of Nirvana worth a damn. Dave Grohl, Kris Novoselic, and Pat Smear were all fucking posh douchebag posterboys. I saw a video of them three talking shit about GG Allin shortly after he died, and I'm like dude, Darby Crash heroin'ed himself retarded and would throw microphones in peanut butter and cover himself in powdered sugar and you're gonna talk shit about GG? You could barely even play guitar for fifteen years.

Dude, everyone's a douchebag posterboy next to GG Allin.

Darby Crash? Hm, Darby Crash... Oh yeah, that one guy no one cared about when John Lennon was assassinated the day after his suicide.

[Forge]

of course it's the record labels that "set trends". they seen a cash cow and banked on it.

Nirvana was the first "popular" band of that genre, so they get all the credit for being the trend setters. glitz&glam went the way of disco and bands like perl jam, soundgarden, etc., etc, started getting popular. put 'em all in plaid shirts and jeans & give them a record deal with a marketing label "grunge". Grrunge being the polar opposite of glitz&glam. Make a few bucks until people get tired of it and move on to the next big fad.

[Hank]

@ Forge - You lost me. what is glitz&glam? I was into Public Enemy, Skinny Puppy and a lot of Club Scene (glitz&glam?) in the ealry 90s. I simply missed Nirvana all together, as I said, when they became popular.

[Kathy]

Achenar, on 18 February 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

In... the lyrics...?

Why do you think they were trying to provide their music with some specific "message"?

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Cathy, on 18 February 2013 - 09:22 AM, said:

Why do you think they were trying to provide their music with some specific "message"?

It wasn't the sole purpose of their music, but I doubt that Kurt Cobain pulled random words out of a jar and simply used those for lyrics without any sort of intent.

[Radar]

The fact that people saw huge messages in their music is what I believe drove Kurt Cobain wild. He had become a legend only because record labels put him forward; it could have happened to anyone else. He knew he wasn't legend material, and it drove him "to rip people off by faking it and pretending as if I'm having 100% fun".

[Sangman]

The Big Cheese, on 17 February 2013 - 08:03 PM, said:

So what was the motive behind all that? Both the brits and the french were allied against the germans in the two world wars, but then again there was the 100 year war between england and france.

Forge, on 18 February 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

i guess it's a statement that no matter how much Europeans can't stand each other, they share a common dislike for French people that trumps any other discontent.

Pretty much. Nobody likes France!

As for Nirvana - I don't think their music is bad but indeed I believe they were popular more for their image than for any kind of "message" or whatever. Comparable bands of the time like Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Stone Temple Pilots all made much better music. To be honest, I suspect Nirvana's mythical popularity would be nowhere near what it is today if Kurt hadn't shot himself. It's kind of the "being dead" effect.

[Alan]

I am of the opinion that Nirvana was a major player in the dumbing down of 90s music.

/me exists before flamewar

[Hank]

Alan, on 18 February 2013 - 11:44 AM, said:

I am of the opinion that Nirvana was a major player in the dumbing down of 90s music.

/me exists before flamewar

How dare you! Flame war? Here in peaceful duke4.net, where no one argues?
The sucking portion of music in the 90s was a result of Universal Music Group, Nirvana was just a pawn in their Empire. Thankfully Sony Music saved the decade, with Alice in Chains, Slayer, System of Down etc.
Do flame wars hurt? Because I think just opened up a volcano.

[Jimmy]

Radar, on 18 February 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

Dude, everyone's a douchebag posterboy next to GG Allin.

Hell yeah.


Grunge was just the second wave of punk rock.

[Kathy]

Achenar, on 18 February 2013 - 09:28 AM, said:

It wasn't the sole purpose of their music, but I doubt that Kurt Cobain pulled random words out of a jar and simply used those for lyrics without any sort of intent.

I thoguth your were talking about the message. Of course some themes and thoughts weren't random, but I doubt the have the message or, dare I say, agenda.

Hank, on 18 February 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

The sucking portion of music in the 90s was a result of Universal Music Group, Nirvana was just a pawn in their Empire. Thankfully Sony Music saved the decade, with Alice in Chains, Slayer, System of Down etc.

Who? Sony Music? You do realise there's a shitload of various labels and musicians?

[Hank]

Cathy, on 18 February 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

Who? Sony Music? You do realise there's a shitload of various labels and musicians?

No, tell me about the shitload of labels.
http://en.wikipedia....tainment_labels
granted the landscape in the early late 80s and early 90s looked very much different, but it was and it is hard to be heard in the US without having a strong arm lifting you up.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

Captain Awesome, on 18 February 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

Grunge was just the second wave of punk rock.

But, that would make post-grunge the third wave of punk rock, which would include bands like Nickelback, Creed, and Seether.

...

'Sure about that?

[Radar]

Captain Awesome, on 18 February 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

Hell yeah.

Don't get me wrong, I can't stand him.

[Inspector Lagomorf]

I have Nirvana in all of my playlists nonetheless, but I love 90s music. I cannot stand the shit they play on modern rock stations. It's literally impossible to listen to.

[Jimmy]

Achenar, on 18 February 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

But, that would make post-grunge the third wave of punk rock, which would include bands like Nickelback, Creed, and Seether.

...

'Sure about that?

Not exactly. I would say the third wave is revivalist shit like OFF! and Jello Biafra and the Guantanamo School of Medicine. Post-Grunge is just the triumph of the swill government music repackaging, much like Emo was a bastardization of D.C. Hardcore bands like Embrace and Rites of Spring who were really good.

Radar, on 18 February 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Don't get me wrong, I can't stand him.

GG ruled, but it does indeed take a special type of person to like his uhhh "music."

[Hank]

@ Captain Awesome and Achenar
Can either explain what grunge has to do with Punk? Yep, I am lost in your talk

[Sangman]

Achenar, on 18 February 2013 - 01:14 PM, said:

I have Nirvana in all of my playlists nonetheless, but I love 90s music. I cannot stand the shit they play on modern rock stations. It's literally impossible to listen to.

Well, look beyond what your radio stations play. This is from a 2012 album.



2009:



Just a couple of examples that I like personally (and I'm a fan of certain 90s music ). Still plenty of great music out there.

[Sangman]

Another song, from 2005:

[Radar]

Captain Awesome, on 18 February 2013 - 01:25 PM, said:

GG ruled, but it does indeed take a special type of person to like his uhhh "music."

GG Allin supposedly raped people onstage. Just a load of fan hype. He never really had it in him to do that.

Spoiler

I mean, not with that micro penis of his.

[Jimmy]

Sang, you're right there is a lot of great new music out there. But if you lived in America, you'd understand. Our mass media culture is vapid. You don't hear this stuff on the radio.

Hank, on 18 February 2013 - 01:29 PM, said:

@ Captain Awesome and Achenar
Can either explain what grunge has to do with Punk? Yep, I am lost in your talk

Quite a lot. First time Kurt Cobain was arrested he had a Millions of Dead Cops cassette on him. Pearl Jam covers the Dead Boys all the time. Kris Novoselic and Kim Thayil had a one off band with Jello Biafra to protest the WTO in '99. Sublime covered Mudhoney. The connections aren't always clear, but it's there. Nirvana's first record has a very layman punk sound to it. To most people, punk is a sort of specific sound, but if you really dig into punk you realize "Hey, the Descendents don't sound anything like FEAR, what's the deal?" It's more about a methodology and way of thinking than a real specific pin-pointed sound.


EDIT: Radar, the stories about GG are mostly true. Videos and his arrest record are pretty damning.