[Kathy]

Hank, on 19 May 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Thus you simply deleted the file by hand first. For that you needed to be in the admin mode or be a user with admin privileges.

No, you don't need that. You just need to have proper security privileges for that file/folder. For example, users can delete whatever they want from their 'My Documents' folder.

P.S. Once again I couldn't sleep tonight. Well, that's just great...

[Forge]

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wipe it (7 pass minimum), format it, then install an OS like linux over the top of it.

Cathy, on 19 May 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

Could you explain why?

wipe it will scramble the data, format will scatter the data, putting in a completely different operating system will change the allocation table (i.e. from NTFS, FAT32, etc -to- ext3, ext4, etc). Now the data is going to be incredibly difficult to find and restore to anything recognizable.

Jeff, on 19 May 2013 - 11:29 AM, said:

It's getting recycled, so it won't be used by anyone else. They'll probably take the disk, melt it and use the scrap metal and such to make a bus shelter or something.

in that case, just open the drive housing and bend up the disk with a pair of pliers

Hank, on 19 May 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

Ever since then I shredd files. It may look like paranoia to some, but out of principle, when I give a computer a command to delete my shit, delete my shit. Don't put it in a fucking recycle bin, don't hide it, don't just disable it or what ever moronic idea MS has, get rid of it.

i shred my files too, but it has more to do with the efficiency of disk checks, defrags, etc. than i'm trying to hide something. Plain deleting leaves scraps of data behind that the computer doesn't really know what to do with other than storing and creating invisible clutter.

[Kathy]

Forge, on 19 May 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

wipe it will scramble the data, format will scatter the data,

Are these technical terms?

[Jeff]

Forge, on 19 May 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

wipe it will scramble the data, format will scatter the data, putting in a completely different operating system will change the allocation table (i.e. from NTFS, FAT32, etc -to- ext3, ext4, etc). Now the data is going to be incredibly difficult to find and restore to anything recognizable.

What about deleting the partition in Disk Management (compmgmt.msc) and creating a new parition? Rinse, repeat a couple times. What does that do? It's not necessarily the same formatting the drive.

[Forge]

Jeff, on 19 May 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

What about deleting the partition in Disk Management (compmgmt.msc) and creating a new parition? Rinse, repeat a couple times. What does that do? It's not necessarily the same formatting the drive.

then you're rearranging the data(technical term) in a more focused location instead of across the entire drive, but if you're installing the same allocation table type over and over it pretty much just equals formatting (more technical jargon) for that particular OS. i would suggest using a few different tables (i.e. windows, linux, OS X). just make sure you do that before any defraging (high tech mumbo-jumbo) moves the data that you want destroyed out of those disc sectors the partition occupies.

short of cutting the hard drive disk up and throwing it in a blast furnace, data can be recovered from it. even running an industrial grade magnet over the drive is only going to scramble the information contained on it. (Hawking Radiation). Someone with a lot of free time and tools not normally found on every street corner in googleville can put it together nibble by nibble.

[Hank]

Cathy, on 19 May 2013 - 05:04 PM, said:

No, you don't need that. You just need to have proper security privileges for that file/folder. For example, users can delete whatever they want from their 'My Documents' folder.

P.S. Once again I couldn't sleep tonight. Well, that's just great...

It's my English for sure, do you run or have you installed your programs in your My Document folder? Anyway, I use a different IDE now. Also, get some sleep.

@ Forge - wow, from your last post, those hard drives seem almost indestructible, This reminds on Batman Returns, where one pasted a shredded paper together, saying 'with a lot of patience'

[Forge]

well people have to balance their personal satisfaction that information will not be recovered between "good enough" and "paranoid delusions".

if it's going in for scrap, a good format should be enough. if you're paranoid that one of the workers is stealing all the hard drives, is some computer nerd that can't get a job in his field, and is scouring them all for identity theft and extortion purposes: then pull the drive platter out of the case and smash it up with a hammer, bend it into a taco with a table vice, then cut it into little pieces with tin snips. Throw it away one piece at a time for the next two years.

if the computer is going back into the market, wipe it (7 pass), format it, install a different operating system. If you're scared take the hard drive out and replace it with a new one. Collect the old hard drives and build yourself a "pillow fort" around your computer desk.

[Kathy]

Hank, on 20 May 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

It's my English for sure, do you run or have you installed your programs in your My Document folder?

Firefox installs just fine in there.

And why am I not surprised programmers don't know such things...

Forge, on 20 May 2013 - 06:25 AM, said:

if the computer is going back into the market, wipe it (7 pass), format it, install a different operating system.

There you go again... MHDD - erase. That's enough.

[Hank]

@ Forge - You are funny. It all started with Erasor and now we are at paranoid delusions.


Believe or not, we donated our comps, as is, to the less fortunate peeps in town. We simply re-installed XP, so they have an legit license on it. - Even if you tried to retrieve any previous data, all documents were Building specific, and those files are also available at City Hall.
The only thing I value is heart and brains of my fellows, can't load that in a comp, well not yet.

Cathy, on 20 May 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

Firefox installs just fine in there.

And why am I not surprised programmers don't know such things...

You are funny too - Windows is a science by itself, there is no way to know everything.

[Forge]

i'm not going anywhere again. i'm placating to people who have problems determining between the minimal "what's good enough" and "i'm freaking paranoid"

sorry if that's a thorn in your side. maybe if you got more sleep you wouldn't be so grumpy

[Kathy]

Forge, on 20 May 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

maybe if you got more sleep you wouldn't be so grumpy

No, I'd be less tired thus more grumpy.

Still, it is time to sleep already.

[Hank]

Cathy, on 20 May 2013 - 07:01 AM, said:

No, I'd be less tired thus more grumpy.

Still, it is time to sleep already.

When you are fully awake, please let me know how you managed to get Mozilla working in the My Documents folder. The Mozilla Firefox I have installed is in Program Files (86).

[Zaxtor]

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[Kathy]

Hank, on 20 May 2013 - 08:56 AM, said:

When you are fully awake, please let me know how you managed to get Mozilla working in the My Documents folder. The Mozilla Firefox I have installed is in Program Files (86).

Hank, are you kidding me? Could even try at least? Download Firefox/Opera/Chrome from firefox/opera/chrome.com and install them to whatever folder you want.

Firefox asks for admin evaluation, but you can deny it and it'll install in local folder instead. Opera only asks for evaluation when you try to install it to %programfiles% or similar secured folder. Chrome installs to local user folder by default(at least it did year ago).

[Hank]

Cathy, on 20 May 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

Hank, are you kidding me? Could even try at least? Download Firefox/Opera/Chrome from firefox/opera/chrome.com and install them to whatever folder you want.

Firefox asks for admin evaluation, but you can deny it and it'll install in local folder instead. Opera only asks for evaluation when you try to install it to %programfiles% or similar secured folder. Chrome installs to local user folder by default(at least it did year ago).

No, actually I am not kidding. This is the first time someone suggested to install a program in the Document folder.
But, I keep on saying, I learn something new every day.

[Lunick]

[Kathy]

Hank, on 20 May 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

No, actually I am not kidding. This is the first time someone suggested to install a program in the Document folder.
But, I keep on saying, I learn something new every day.

I was still mostly referring to portable programs when you said about deleting executive files. Many programs won't install without administrative privileges since they edit system registry etc. It depends, but if program has portable version then if will work at least in a Documents folder since as user you have full access to it.

[Micky C]

Micky C, on 20 May 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

I don't know where you keep finding these gifs Micky C, but they're great. You are one funny guy

[Radar]

Maybe 4GIFs.com? (Says so in the watermark)

[Lunick]

Radar, on 21 May 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

Maybe 4GIFs.com? (Says so in the watermark)

Right Click, View Image, Tumblr url

[Kathy]

[Hank]

Cathy, on 21 May 2013 - 06:16 AM, said:

I was still mostly referring to portable programs when you said about deleting executive files. Many programs won't install without administrative privileges since they edit system registry etc. It depends, but if program has portable version then if will work at least in a Documents folder since as user you have full access to it.

No, sir, I meant your solution is so simple it may have worked with Vista way back when. - What did we do? Anything but looking for a simple solution.

Cheers mate.

[Lunick]

[faked]

What does anyone make of this?

[Lunick]

Ignore it. Near my house there is a WiFi network called FBI Surveillance Van.

[faked]

Micky C, on 22 May 2013 - 01:20 AM, said:

Ignore it. Near my house there is a WiFi network called FBI Surveillance Van.

Okay.I just think it kind of odd being so close to a senior apt complex. Thanks,Micky C!

[Master Fibbles]

Everyone knows that the DEA would not reveal that they are spying on you and your meth lab.

[faked]

Mr.Flibble, on 22 May 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

Everyone knows that the DEA would not reveal that they are spying on you and your meth lab.

I know that was meant as a joke,so no offense is taken.

[Forge]

yikes!
obviously it was a joke
there's no way for fib to know the tragedy you experienced unless you say something first.
-sorry for your loss

[faked]

Forge, on 22 May 2013 - 05:09 AM, said:

yikes!
obviously it was a joke
there's no way for fib to know the tragedy you experienced unless you say something first.
-sorry for your loss

Thanks for that,Forge. I know he didn't know. That's why I don't hold It against him. As for the picture,this really is one of the wi-fi net works. I figure some one's. weird sense of humor. (changed my other post to be less harsh.it seemed the right thing to do)