[ReaperMan]

Hank, on 18 May 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

What software do you use?

Real men use a microwave.

[Jeff]

Hank, on 18 May 2013 - 07:26 PM, said:

What software do you use?

Software is called Eraser. Found it using a random Google search.

[Hendricks266]

Today I graduated from high school. Expect to see me join the recent flurry of EDuke32 development in a few days after I catch up on some sleep.

[Micky C]

Hendricks266, on 18 May 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

Today I graduated from high school. Expect to see me join the recent flurry of EDuke32 development in a few days after I catch up on some sleep.

If it's not making sandwiches by next week then my faith goes down the drain.

I can't believe you're 17 years old

[Lunick]

Lunick Prime, on 18 May 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

If it's not making sandwiches by next week then my faith goes down the drain.

I can't believe you're 17 years old

It blew my mind too when I found out a while ago in IRC.

[Fox]

Lunick Prime, on 18 May 2013 - 08:25 PM, said:

If it's not making sandwiches by next week then my faith goes down the drain.

I can't believe you're 17 years old

For comparison, at that age Ken Silverman developed the Build engine. So Hendricks is still only a shadow.

What surprises me is his maturity. At that age I was calling names everybody on the Internet... wait, I still do that.

[Jimmy]

Hendricks266, on 18 May 2013 - 08:22 PM, said:

Today I graduated from high school. Expect to see me join the recent flurry of EDuke32 development in a few days after I catch up on some sleep.

Congratulations, brother.

Fox, on 18 May 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

What surprises me is his maturity. At that age I was calling names everybody on the Internet... wait, I still do that.

You're not supposed to do that? Thanks for telling me now, you asshole.

[Lunick]

I think a few people on here could learn from Hendricks

[Micky C]

Fox, on 18 May 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

What surprises me is his maturity. At that age I was calling names everybody on the Internet... wait, I still do that.

Yeah I know. Just from his manner, the way he talked and acted, I would have placed him around 25 if someone told me to do a blind guess.

[Jeff]

Fox, on 18 May 2013 - 09:13 PM, said:

What surprises me is his maturity. At that age I was calling names everybody on the Internet... wait, I still do that.

Age doesn't equal maturity. I've seen some 30 year olds acting like petulant manchildren. On the other hand, I've seen some very mature 16 year olds.

[Fox]

Jeff, on 18 May 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

I've seen some 30 year olds acting like petulant manchildren.

I am only 24.

[Kathy]

Jeff, on 18 May 2013 - 09:29 AM, said:

Getting rid of some old hard drives. Have to erase them, then I'm going to go recycle them. I'm doing a US Department of Defense grade erase on these. It erases 7 times as well as it creates these encrypted files on the drive, then deletes them.

Erasing it once should be enough.

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Software is called Eraser.

I found Disk Scrubber better.

Micky C, on 18 May 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

It blew my mind too when I found out a while ago in IRC.

Good thing I keep mouth shut about my age.




P.S. Overkill erasing:

[Jeff]

Cathy, on 18 May 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

P.S. Overkill erasing:

Blowing up a hard drive

Anyways, I let the thing run overnight, and it's nearly done erasing. I had it set to one pass like you guys had recommended.

[Kathy]

Then you can try restoring something from it. But it should not be possible if you erased literally every bit.

[Jeff]

Cathy, on 19 May 2013 - 08:24 AM, said:

Then you can try restoring something from it. But it should not be possible if you erased literally every bit.

So I guess when the program creates these encrypted files and then deletes them at the end, it's pretty much toast and it's safe to recycle?

[Hank]

Jeff, on 18 May 2013 - 07:51 PM, said:

Software is called Eraser. Found it using a random Google search.

It's Open Source too. Thanks man. Some files at the office need to be shredded, and I am tired of my current one, so I'll give this a go.

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This one pass or 35 depends on how much you want to play. If I were a criminal I certainly would use at least seven passes before the cops show up

[Kathy]

Jeff, on 19 May 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

So I guess when the program creates these encrypted files and then deletes them at the end, it's pretty much toast and it's safe to recycle?

I don't know exactly what kind of encrypted(from what source?) files it creates, but erasing something and then writing crap in its place should do the job. Although, writing 0s also should do it which proper(long) formatting is supposed to do.

2Hank: If you're a criminal then you should have used encryption to begin with.

[Master Fibbles]

Running the drive over a powerful magnet should also do a pretty decent job of wiping magnetic hard drives. Grant it, having a powerful magnet lying around may not be that common.

[Forge]

wipe it, then pop open the case and bust up the disk if you're worried about it.
if they're going to be re-used by someone other than yourself, wipe it (7 pass minimum), format it, then install an OS like linux over the top of it.
i doubt anybody is going to come after you for some pirated software, so i really don't want to know what's on them that has you so worried

[Kathy]

Forge, on 19 May 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

wipe it (7 pass minimum), format it, then install an OS like linux over the top of it.

Could you explain why?

[Master Fibbles]

Yeah. There is that too. Unless you have child porn or top secret government files (possibly also child porn), I fail to see what the big deal is about super wiping a hard drive you are discarding/reselling. Very few people are going to go through the work of scavenging your old files just because. If you do have financial data or passwords (to financial data) on your hard drive, it would likely be more work than it is worth for someone to dig it up from a formatted drive.

Caution is good, paranoia is crazy.


I suspect that installing a (free) OS over a formatted drive helps to cover over any data that could be mined out.

[Sangman]

Forge, on 19 May 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

so i really don't want to know what's on them that has you so worried

Just a matter of privacy, I would be the same way selling hard drives.

[Hank]

It's the principle.
When I first started programming on Vista, my updated programs were not updated somehow, except in the run command from WX Dev++. Then I used Killdisk and analysed my hard drive. My, what I thought deleted programs, were not just not deleted they were only hidden, and some setting only known to the Vista makers, opened the previous version and not the current set I thought I am testing. So I needed to rename the program file name or learn quick registry editing or how to use a shredder, and get a better IDE as well.

Ever since then I shredd files. It may look like paranoia to some, but out of principle, when I give a computer a command to delete my shit, delete my shit. Don't put it in a fucking recycle bin, don't hide it, don't just disable it or what ever moronic idea MS has, get rid of it.

Bottom line - thanks Jeff, I like Eraser

[Kathy]

Mr.Flibble, on 19 May 2013 - 09:44 AM, said:

Yeah. There is that too. Unless you have child porn or top secret government files (possibly also child porn), I fail to see what the big deal is about super wiping a hard drive you are discarding/reselling. Very few people are going to go through the work of scavenging your old files just because.

Digital photos is the reason enough. While I'm not gonna claim that all people shoot themselves naked, but my assumption is that out of curiosity(not to show anyone) many do. Or you might have had emails or other files containing personal information on the hard drive.

Hank, on 19 May 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

When I first started programming on Vista, my updated programs were not updated somehow, except in the run command from WX Dev++. Then I used Killdisk and analysed my hard drive. My, what I thought deleted programs, were not just not deleted they were only hidden, and some setting only known to the Vista makers, opened the previous version and not the current set I thought I am testing. So I needed to rename the program file name or learn quick registry editing or how to use a shredder, and get a better IDE as well.

I don't understand. If OS deletes a file's address from HDD then it's as good as deleted for OS. Sure, you can recover(assign another address) is quite easily, but as far as OS and all the software are concerned it is gone once address is wiped. Though I'm not talking about Recycle Bin which another thing entirely.

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Ever since then I shredd files. It may look like paranoia to some, but out of principle, when I give a computer a command to delete my shit, delete my shit. Don't put it in a fucking recycle bin, don't hide it, don't just disable it or what ever moronic idea MS has, get rid of it.

Maybe an option to "completely erase" should be there, but the default delete method is pretty much used everywhere, because otherwise it would consume too much time.

[Hank]

@ Cathy - Not sure about the time aspect.
I just clocked it, I destroyed my song collection from last week, one pass, +500MB in less then three seconds.
The catch with Eraser is the out front set up you need to do, I never used it until today, so I did not time this.

As for the story with WX Dev++, it's true, the actual developer and I took three long month to figure this one out. Because I (and so did he) thought it is WX Dev++ fault.

[Kathy]

+500Mb is not much. Deleting GBs will be pain in the ass cause it'll take around the same time it takes to copy said files. Either way there is no point if you can just delete the address. If you want privacy and crap then use encryption and/or special software like Eraser/Scrubber/etc.

How did you delete files in case of WX? Deleting file from a partition's address table should be as good as deleting file itself from OS's point of view.

[Jeff]

Forge, on 19 May 2013 - 09:39 AM, said:

wipe it, then pop open the case and bust up the disk if you're worried about it.
if they're going to be re-used by someone other than yourself, wipe it (7 pass minimum), format it, then install an OS like linux over the top of it.
i doubt anybody is going to come after you for some pirated software, so i really don't want to know what's on them that has you so worried

It's getting recycled, so it won't be used by anyone else. They'll probably take the disk, melt it and use the scrap metal and such to make a bus shelter or something.

[Hank]

Cathy, on 19 May 2013 - 11:10 AM, said:

How did you delete files in case of WX? Deleting file from a partition's address table should be as good as deleting file itself from OS's point of view.

I forgot the details, and Microsoft is by default right 100% of the times, and did not answer our questions.

To delete an exe program you have to have admin privileges. At the same time it is somewhat pointless to play admin and test your software. In this case the OS decided when to delete a given programs and when not. Thus when you entered the 'run' command in WXDev++ it opened up the deleted program that it (Vista/7) thought should not have been deleted in the first place and ignored the one you actually thought you are testing. To make quick consecutive test with your code, you had to compile and install your program first. Pretty much making the Run command useless. I think Tony fixed this by now, or does everything in admin mode.

[Kathy]

Hank, on 19 May 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

To delete an exe program you have to have admin privileges.

That's not true.

[Hank]

Cathy, on 19 May 2013 - 02:19 PM, said:

That's not true.

Thou shall not make sweeping statements when Cathy might read it.

OK, another try. Can we agree that a program executive file has limited access for a general users by default? Unless your OS version differed from ours, you could not override a program from inside the IDE. Trying to do so gave us very interesting crashes. Thus you simply deleted the file by hand first. For that you needed to be in the admin mode or be a user with admin privileges. And so on.